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Student Suspended Over Call From Mom In Iraq  
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

"COLUMBUS, Georgia (AP) -- A high school student was suspended for 10 days for refusing to end a cell phone call with his mother, a soldier serving in Iraq, school officials said.

Cell phones are allowed on campus but may not be used during school hours. When a teacher told him to hang up, he refused. He said he told the teacher, "This is my mom in Iraq. I'm not about to hang up on my mom."

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/05/06/call.suspension.ap/index.html

10 days seems to be a little harsh to me.


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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

I would have let the student step outside to talk to his mother, what a whacked out school system.


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

I agree. You know, it wouldn't have hurt that teacher to make an exception to the rule.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39710 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

That's interesting, the article stated that he was suspended for acting "defiant and disorderly".
I am sure he could have continued his conversation with his mom in a quiet office and let his school officials know the nature of the situation.
Communication is everything this could have been easily avoided.
He used this as a reason to be defiant and disorderly.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

"He said the teen used profanity when taken to the office"

what profanity word did he use!? 10 days of suspension? to me, he must have used profanity words like motherfucker, asshole, or pussy... lol



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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

This is absurd. How can you suspend a student for refusing to end a call from his mom who is in Iraq? My goodness. Whatever happened to compassion and being understanding? I mean, if it was a meaningless call then I would say suspend him but a call from his mom who happens to be at war? I know there are rules but there should be exceptions especially in a situation like this. Its not like he could tell his mom, hey mom call me later I'm busy right now. Putting myself in his shoes, I know I would be excited to hear from my mother and could care less what a stupid teacher or school rule said. I never ignore a call from my mother which often times turn out to be pointless but still it is my mother. Totally agree with what this student did. I hope this gets media attention so they can lift this suspension. I mean, the kid must have enough trouble as is by having his mom away in Iraq and now THIS? The school and teachers should be supporting him and not suspending him. The school system is the United States is the worse and it is plain stupid.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

The problem here is that while this call was apparently legitment, you end up on a slippery slope situation. While as noted above, the student should have been allowed to continue his call outside the classroom without penalty, what will happen next? There parent whom is out of town on business? Better and appropiate would be what if there was a family emergency and the student needed to be contacted? Such rules are made due to the use of cell phones in drug dealing, that it interrupts the classroom, and with some exceptions like here, something that should or could be done later. It is possible that the mother of this student forgot or was unable to call at a more appropiate time. No, the student here shouldn't get a 10 day suspension and should appeal it to the local administation or school board and then some other disipline such as school/community service, detention, ect., an indiction on his school records.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7762 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Compassion and understanding all went out the window in this era of "zero tolerance" policies for drugs, violence, and whatever in the schools. While in principle these policies seem good, they give teachers and administrators little leeway in enforcing rules and disciplining students at appropriate levels.


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
I am sure he could have continued his conversation with his mom in a quiet office and let his school officials know the nature of the situation.
Communication is everything this could have been easily avoided.

The way it sounds like, from the article at least, is that he wasn't using profanity when he refused to hang up on his mom. However later on he must have. But then again, so what? Sounds to me like this teacher was one of the anal retentive ones.



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User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

They could have easily overlooked this. If I were that Mom who's in Iraq... first place I'd stop on my way back is the principal's office to have a "nice chat" with the turd who runs that school. Talk about overblowing a situation.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39710 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 9):
If I were that Mom who's in Iraq... first place I'd stop on my way back is the principal's office to have a "nice chat" with the turd who runs that school. Talk about overblowing a situation.

Agreed.
If she returns and hopefully she will and unharmed, she should have a nice chat with those administrators. It still sounds like this could have been easily delt with. It sounds like this was a situation in which a little snot nosed brat and an over zealous administrator took advantage of a situation.
He knew that he would get some sympathy because is mom is serving in combat and yes I agree that this school policy should have some exceptions to there cell phone ban.

I am sure that if it were a 'teacher's pet' that got a call from there parent in Iraq, this rule wouldn't have been enforced.
I think this rule is silly. No cellphones during class instuction I can understand but it was his lunch break. I don't see what the big deal is talking on the phone.



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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

While as noted above, the student should have been allowed to continue his call outside the classroom without penalty, what will happen next? There parent whom is out of town on business?

Now that is obviously different. Out of town on business is not In a WAR ZONE! Schools have been absurdedly crazy about some things, and this qualifies as one of them. I bet this made headines in that town.

If my mom were in Iraq and I was on the phone with her (assuming I was still in high school) and I was told to hang up, I'd sure as hell be swearing too. How would I know if that is my last chance to talk to my mom? Who is to say that this kid will be able to talk to HIS mom again??

Chris



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

That school's got some issues. What if once the student hung up, she goes out, and gets killed? What are you gonna do? He should be allowed to talk a little bit in an area that is away from the classroom, so he can't disturb them. That phone call could have been the last, for Christ sakes!


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

"Kevin got defiant and disorderly," Parham said. "When a kid becomes out of control like that they can either be arrested or suspended for 10 days. Now being that his mother is in Iraq, we're not trying to cause her any undue hardship; he was suspended for 10 days."

sounds like they initially wanted to arrest him.

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 9):
If I were that Mom who's in Iraq... first place I'd stop on my way back is the principal's office to have a "nice chat" with the turd who runs that school.

i'd love to see that and wouldn't blame her a bit.



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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

It sounds like this was a situation in which a little snot nosed brat and an over zealous administrator took advantage of a situation.

Superfly, where in the article does it refer to this kid as being a snot-nosed brat? I don't see it anywhere. Furthermore, I don't think an incident like this qualifies the kid as "snot-nosed brat". Most would probably act the same way.

Chris



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

could always write the administrators and save the mom the trouble.

http://www.mcsdga.net/schools/high/spencer.html



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Here's what the local newspaper had to say about it:

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/11575912.htm



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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Okay, this is just wrong.
At my high school cell phones are not allowed to be used during school, but the rule is rarely enforced by any teachers, except for the principals.

This should have been an exception to the rule. The boy (my age) said that he was failing a class, well because of this suspension he will fail and have to go to summer school, which could be a financial hardship. The school district should be ashamed of themselves, especially the principal because of all the negative publicity the school and the district will be receiving in the coming days.

The mom called again 7 minutes after the first call ended and scolded her son for hanging up on her! The boy was not allowed to answer that phone call by the administration. I hope the administrator answered that one and talked to the mom.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

If this story isnt slanted... which I have a feeling the story is far from the truth, more than the part that he was asked to turn off the phone.. I think this is more alarming.. again if true..
----
Francois said the teacher tried to take the phone, causing it to hang up.
----

I'm sorry but I just can't picture a teacher physically trying to grab a phone out of a kids hand.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

For crying out loud, his mom may die and they want to take the phone away. I wonder if they would do the same thing if it was the Officer who notifies families of their loved one's death?


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

"I even asked Kevin, 'You know we can try to work something out to where if your mother wants to call you she can call you at the school,'" Parham said. "So we've tried to work with Kevin and we're going to continue to try to work with Kevin and his mother and his relatives. In the course of good order and discipline, we have to abide by our policy."

course of good order and discipline? what happened to allowing amendments and changing ways for the greater good? if you go to the school's webpage, you can see the head principal there is a black woman. she should know all about this. there, i said it. someone had to.



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User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

The problem with ideas of "zero tolerance" is that, even though the "slippery slope" mentioned by LTBEWR is avoided, common sense goes right out the window. I've found that most public schools have very little common sense adopting idiotic, compassionless, often unenforcable, and nearly always counterproductive policies.

User currently offlineLambertSTL777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 218 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting Jfkaua (Reply 18):
I'm sorry but I just can't picture a teacher physically trying to grab a phone out of a kids hand.

..I can.. I've seen it MANY times. SOME teachers like to take the law into their own hands, and act like they have the power to do-so, even if it's illegal. I've witnessed teachers physically grabbing students, and grabbing their posessions. If his mother happens to not make it, and that was the last phone-call he got from his mother, I really hope that teacher thinks long and hard about what he/she did.

As for the mom calling back and leaving a message scolding her son, I really hope she found out the truth, and an apology by the teacher and administration.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
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How pathitic, kicking a student out of school for 10 days just because he wanted to talk to his mum.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 9):
If I were that Mom who's in Iraq... first place I'd stop on my way back is the principal's office to have a "nice chat" with the turd who runs that school. Talk about overblowing a situation.

 yes  The school administration and I wold be having a serious heart to heart talk at the next school board meeting.

And then I'd make sure my son, who was suspended, is properly reprimanded for becoming abusive. Not that I care one way or the other what he said to the teacher, it would be good for him to know that becoming abusive isn't tolerable.

If I were in this kids place, I likely would have told to teacher to go to hell.


25 Flyboy36y : I guess, umm, this child was left behind.
26 USAIRWAYS321 : This is my email to Olivia T. Rutledge, principal at Spencer High School: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mrs. Ru
27 Airlinelover : USAIRWAYS321- Well done. I have emailed all my firends and family about this with the links provided here. I am also going to email them (and perhaps
28 Post contains images Biggles : I think the really sad thing is this boy's mom is half way around the world instead of at home looking after her son..
29 ANCFlyer : I guess I missed the part where the teacher grabbed the phone from the student. In simple terms, that is assault in the 3rd degree (in Alaska anyway),
30 LOT767-300ER : Ive seen it in my high school many times man. MANY times.
31 Jwenting : The real reason was probably to set an example that students shouldn't be proud of their parents serving in the oppressive US military. The US school
32 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : Heres what I wrote to one of the vice principles: ---- Mr. Turner, Do you the state of Georgia have any sympathy left? That phone call could have been
33 Post contains images Saxdiva : Um, don't want to seem contrary here, but what the #&%! do you know about the U.S. school system? That's as ridiculous as me saying that all Dutch pe
34 LOT767-300ER : Saxdiva, I finished high school just last year. As far as Chicago is concerned and its suburbs jtwenting is 100% right. The bullshit (and now the sch
35 STLGph : Are you a moron? This has -NOTHING- to do with right wing this, left wing that. The issue of his mom being in the military didn't even come up to the
36 USAIRWAYS321 : O T Rutledge 1019 Leaf Brook Dr Midland, GA 31820-5501 (706) 561-5079 Have fun! (Side note: her email address is now rejecting new mail for exceeding
37 Post contains images ANCFlyer : And the bullshit flags are flying for a bullshit statement . . . what a ridiculous thing to say.
38 777ER : Sounds like everyone is e-mailing that person with their disgust
39 Post contains images Flyingbronco05 : USAIRWAYS321 Perfect! That is awesome! Well done!
40 777236er : "Kevin got defiant and disorderly," Parham said. "When a kid becomes out of control like that they can either be arrested or suspended for 10 days. No
41 Post contains images Sacflyer : "Now being that his mother is in Iraq, we're not trying to cause her any undue hardship; he was suspended for 10 days." I can't believe that he could
42 Theredbaron : Moms should never go to war......nuff said !!!
43 Lfutia : I live in Chicago and i can tell you... where i live in the North suburbs of Chicago, my town is mostly filled with condos and old people and this is
44 Cwapilot : They should "bend the rules" due to the circumstances, or they are inflexible, ignorant fools, eh? Well, seeing as telephones are specifically listed
45 KaiGywer : Actually, this is perfectly legal in Minnesota. Teachers are just to afraid to do anything due to fear of lawsuits. Per M.S. 609.06: 609.06 Authorize
46 STLGph : not at all. the principal, along with Mr. Parham, and the other school administrator officials have their names published, in a public domain. it is
47 LOT767-300ER : Give me a break, youve been out of high school to see half the shite that goes on here, especially around Chicago. Every school I went to here the ad
48 Jfkaua : hmm well I have a story about contact from teachers... well basically a foreign language teacher kind of pushed a shopping cart into me last year...
49 ScarletHarlot : "They are really allowed to have those cell phones so that after band or after chorus or after the debate and practices are over they have to coordina
50 Jwenting : In fact it has everything to do with it. Had his mum been the righthand man to OBL they'd not have suspended him but at most asked him to leave the c
51 Scorpio : Jwenting, See how even ANCFlyer, one of the most right-wing users on here, calls bullshit on your post? That should tell you something...
52 Post contains images ANCFlyer : More Bullshit Flags for more Bullshit posts. Where are you getting this crap? You're so far out of line it's unreal.
53 DL021 : OK....the basic scoop here, without everyone needing to get hysterical. A. No one should interfere with a call from a parent to a child....period. Whe
54 Post contains images Mir : Meanwhile, back in reality.... -Mir
55 ShyFlyer : Probably not his wisest choice, but clearly understandable. True, but a stern lecture on proper behavior would have been better. Add to that the time
56 STLGph : there is absolutely zero basis for any of this bullshit you said whatsoever. there is nothing wrong in asking if you are a moron. the fact that you c
57 Sacflyer : When I was in 8th grade, my stepdad was supposed to pick my brother (7th grade) and I up from school for an orthodontist appointment. We had brought n
58 Post contains images Greyhound : Only if it was AFTER school hours probably. Don't want to interrupt study hall, now do we? ROTFLMAO "Screw you guys, I'm going home"
59 Post contains images NWADC9 : That's it, I'm going to Alaska! Here comes the feminists...
60 Nancy : The intelligent thing for the teacher to have done would be to say "OK, but let me see your incoming call log when you're done." That way if the kid w
61 L-188 : Anybody in the local area have any updates. I can only hope the school, the principal, the teacher, and the local paper are getting a really hard time
62 DC10GUY : Why can that kid use his cell phone to talk to his mom in Iraq but I can't talk to my mom ??? If he can use his cell phone in class why can't I ... et
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