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User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Hey

I have windows XP and my live update says that I should install Service Pack 2. When I get to the install prompt, it says that I should back up everything on my computer.

Is backing up my drive necessary?

Did you guys back-up everything when you installed SP2?

I really dont want to go through backing up everything because it takes a long time.

thanks for any advice


LooneyToon
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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8413 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
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I have not installed SP2 on my laptop because it conflicts with the Novell logon we use on our server, the prompt every time I log in is irritating but what can I do? Any ideas on this?


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User currently offlineFlagshipFalcon From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

LooneyToon-

I did not back up my drive and had no problems with the installation. It isn't that critical of an upgrade for something terrible to happen. Although, there is a possibility of it happening...I wouldn't worry about it. Microsoft is just covering their backs with letting people know there is a possibility that you could lose data.

-FF


User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

Backing your stuff up on a regular basis is important, so I'm not going to tell you you shouldn't.

Personally, I didn't backup my stuff before installing SP2, and everything was fine. I get the feeling that the warning serves as more of a legal disclamer for Microsoft.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Quoting LooneyToon (Thread starter):
Is backing up my drive necessary?

Working for a Major company that makes backup software.. I am a little biased.. My Answer is yes.

Quoting LooneyToon (Thread starter):
Did you guys back-up everything when you installed SP2?

Yes I Did, and didn't need the backup to recover afterwards.

Quoting LooneyToon (Thread starter):
I really dont want to go through backing up everything because it takes a long time.

The fact you are making this statment means 1 of two things. 1) you are lazy or 2) your data isn't that valuable to begin with.

I would look at this as if you were going to have casual sex with a stranger or the friend of a friend of a friend at best. Condoms have been more responsible for protecting people then hurting them.

Also on a technical note, I know that XP SP2 and 2003 SP1 HOSED a LOT of systems that I ended up getting the calls for recoveries on.


User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Its pretty much been said already...it is there as a precaution only. As with ANY download, there's a chance that your system will crash...9 times out of 10 it won't happen, but it does...and maybe someday it will happen to you but I hope not. When they say back up the drive...I take that as backing up my own data (such as important files, docs, folders etc) and not the actual hard disk...but that's just me.


Aer Lingus, Proud to be Irish.
User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
The fact you are making this statment means 1 of two things. 1) you are lazy or 2) your data isn't that valuable to begin with.

actually it means 1.) buying blank CDs (hard to find here) or 2.)borrowing an external hard drive (even harder)



LooneyToon
User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

I think you are missunderstanding the meaning of backup.

Supposing you have a computer running MS Office. You DO NOT need to back up MS Office itself, you already have this on CD, and doing so will take up about 1Gb of space. instead all you need to do is save the documents you have created and saved (letters spreadsheets, databases etc).

If you are a home user this will probably be about 50mb worth of files, for a company maybe a few hundred mb max.

simply put: supposing everything goes wrong and you need to wipe windows and start all over again, what can you replace, and what can you not? Eg word can be replaced, by re-installing, so you dont need to back this up. Your letter to Auntie Dorris cannot be replaced, so back this up.

Now once you realise what you need to backup and what you dont, you will realise that it isnt such a big issue, and wont actualy take that long.

Now, with regards to SP2. It has been found that a number of applications will not work under SP2 (although if you check the applications website there will probably be a patch to allow support). this microsoft warning is, like said before, just to cover their back. If you happen to be unfortunate and use one of the programs that is not compatible, you will not lose the data, but might find the application no longer works. the patch for this will be released shortly, but as a business user this time may be precious.

I dont think there are too many issues with SP2, so go ahead and install, but back up anything you cant afford to lose.

there are however serious issues right now with Windows 2003 SP1, so anyone running this OS, backup or not, do NOT install this patch :P

Please forgive any spelling mistakes, im drunk :P



That'll teach you
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
If you are a home user this will probably be about 50mb worth of files, for a company maybe a few hundred mb max.



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
Please forgive any spelling mistakes, im drunk :P

We will try to forgive all your mistakes Nh... The issue I have with you citing 50 MB as a 'standard backup' is that you are forgetting a LOT of people share MP3's (and other media) these days. If he's not doing media sharing, I'll agree 1000% with you, but if they are sharing files your talking 20-160GB for the backup.

Quoting LooneyToon (Reply 6):
1.) buying blank CDs (hard to find here) or 2.)borrowing an external hard drive (even harder)

SINCERELY, do excuse me for being a presumptious, pompus, and spoiled US. American.

The problem I have is this, I have seen data go "Buh bye" for no reason other then a lack of caring on MANY occasions. I have talked to boses while IS admins were being walked out of the building by security. If it's JUST not accomplishable in a timely enough manner, consider the fact that most of us here in our personal experience haven't had a problem. What I would do though, even if your migration is TOTALLY seamless, is get yourself a suitable backup solution as soon as is practicable. Nothing beats going to sleep at night knowing it's recoverable  Smile


User currently offlineLooneyToon From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
there are however serious issues right now with Windows 2003 SP1, so anyone running this OS, backup or not, do NOT install this patch :P

thats what I have...(I think)

I guess I wont even bother to install SP2 and will just wait until next year when I get an Apple and sell my PC.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 8):
Nothing beats going to sleep at night knowing it's recoverable

Very true, which is why I only back-up the very important school files onto USB and floppies.



LooneyToon
User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
If you are a home user this will probably be about 50mb worth of files, for a company maybe a few hundred mb max.

50mb ??? Who are you trying to kid, with my photos, software (downloaded hehe), and music I have to backup at least 120GB worth of stuff.

But seriously, the majority of teenagers have a couple hundred MP3s thats at least a couple gigs.

For which I use a 160GB Western Digital External Media drive.


User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Getting rid of that crappy OS might solve a lot of your problems. But I digress...

At my last company, we were required to use XP, and those of us who used laptops had an application loaded on them that automatically synchronized our files onto network shares. One day, an automatic system update screwed up something on my system, and instead of copying my files to the server my computer first deleted them and THEN synchronized itself. The end result was six years of data biting the dust. In fifteen years of full time employment, I don't ever remember being so totally, completely panicked.

It was a 19 year-old tech who saved my butt. He'd done a complete backup on the server about a week prior (he only backed up changed files since then, and I had been out of the office on a trip), and he spent several hours that day restoring my data. I only ended up losing about a week's worth of files, many of which I found on a flash drive. Moral of the story? Backups are your friends.

By the way, I still owe that kid a bottle of something... he's probably old enough to drink it now. And when I left, I switched to Linux, so I don't have virii to worry about anymore.

-Leanne


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5093 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Further to the above comments, pehaps I should clarify a little, in my estimation I was discounting MP3s, as I see these as easily replaceable, especially the ilegal ones. No need to back them up. Also LOT767 your downloaded programs are once again replaceable and there is no urgent need to back them up. Your photos however would require backing up.

The figure 50mb was just a rough figure, you will be nearer 50mb than 50gb :P



That'll teach you
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Quoting LooneyToon (Thread starter):
Did you guys back-up everything when you installed SP2?

Personally I did not back up.
Worked fine.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

I have an auto backup that runs nightly to backup data files, mail, favourites, etc. to a separate disc drive.

As to SP2, no I didn't do a specific backup (see above). SP2 worked fine - for me.

Always backup your important data.



By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 11):
By the way, I still owe that kid a bottle of something... he's probably old enough to drink it now. And when I left, I switched to Linux, so I don't have virii to worry about anymore.

Leanne.. Pelase rectify this ASAP  Smile It's one thing to say 'thank you'; it's something entirely different to show it  Smile

The ONE thing I have to say about my previous user group as opposed to my current one is that I did get gifts for REALLY comming through in a pinch. Let me tell you... to THIS day I still willingly help those people out even though it's not my job by a long shot.


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