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User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 757 times:

Hey guys, i'm building a friend a computer because he is on a tight budget, and i need some suggestions for the motherboard. The board i'm lookin at is here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m&item=6766953276#ebayphotohosting
I'm not sure if it's what he wants, so here is my question. I want to build him a nice computer, and this looks like a good deal for the price, and I've worked with this seller before, so i know he sells good products. Is there anything i should look for? When it comes to comuters, he's as stupid as a dead bat, so i don't think he would really need to expand much. Is this as good of a deal as i think it is? The seller also has a sale going on a network switch. I don't have any need for it but i thought i might just pass it on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5772356264 . Thanks again!

-Sam


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31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 750 times:

If your friends' ONLY intention is to websurf, email and do some other 'light' functions, sure. If he wants to play DOOM 3 or really enjoy a flight simulator, then the answer is "Whoop Whoop, Pull UP!!! Whoop Whoop, Pull UP!!!"

I presume that you do have a spare (or another purchase) Slot A CPU picked out?


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 747 times:

Yeah, I already have the processor, a Slot A Athlon, 1Ghz. He basically wants it to work on reports and such at home. He doesn't really get into games.

-Sam



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User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 747 times:

Sam, that motherboard is really old. Not worth it at all. You'd have a hard time finding components that would work with it. But it is Y2K compliant! I'd check out http://www.newegg.com/ for good stuff thats not too costly.


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User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 740 times:

I'm thinking of making it an inexpensive Linux box, that wouldn't work for it? He says he doesn't want a CD drive... just a USB and a 3.5 inch floppy.

I'm thinking of setting up a network for my house, could i use that network switch?

-Sam



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User currently offlineFiddleSticks From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 736 times:

That swich is way overkill. I'd look at something like the Linksys BEFSR41. Should be around $40.

If you want a computer to tinker with that auction mobo would be fine. But as TedTAce mentioned, don't expect much from it.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 701 times:

No game console? In that case he´d be much better off with a Mac Mini. Hardly much more expensive, a lot less time to be wasted on maintenance and much easier to use overall. Tiny, silent and just cute on top of that, too.

And it comes with an un-crippled full version of a top-notch OS (MacOS X "Tiger") which is far ahead of Windows plus a whole suite of equally excellent applications you´d have to pay extra for under Windows (if you´d even find comparable ones).


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 689 times:

Klaus: I know i shouldn't say this in front of children, but Microsoft Rules!!!  Wink I seem to remember us debating about this from a past topic! Big grin

-Sam



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 685 times:

FutureUApilot: Klaus: I know i shouldn't say this in front of children, but Microsoft Rules!!!

Sure - 95% of current sales. But all tyrants need to - and will - fall eventually!  bigthumbsup 

And especially for a newbie jumping ahead with a Mac is the best he could do!


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 680 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
And especially for a newbie jumping ahead with a Mac is the best he could do!

Depends on what he/she needs the computer for.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
And it comes with an un-crippled full version of a top-notch OS (MacOS X "Tiger") which is far ahead of Windows

Too bad applications (those thingies you actually use for your work) are often far behind their Windows counterparts.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 677 times:

NoUFO: Depends on what he/she needs the computer for.

Apparently for personal use, but not as a game console. So it should be pretty clear.


NoUFO: Too bad applications (those thingies you actually use for your work) are often far behind their Windows counterparts.

In most instances that´s not the case, often it´s the other way around.


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 665 times:

Will Mac programs (ex. word documents) be compatable with Windows? He'll need to take this stuff to school and work on it there too...

-Sam



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 662 times:

MS Office (with Word) is available for MacOS X as well.

A simple text editor already comes with the system which can read and write Word texts (no fancy stuff).

All applications in MacOS X can print to PDF "out of the box", by the way.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 660 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
In most instances that�s not the case, often it�s the other way around.

Right, programs that don't exist, don't crash. Big grin

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 11):
Will Mac programs (ex. word documents) be compatable with Windows?

Not the applications/programs (duh) but the files they create, i.e. MS Word documents or Macromedia Flash movies.

If he is going to use his computer to go online and write some reports on Word, burn a CD and listen to music, he should indeed go for a Mac.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 655 times:

Pushing a MAC as a 'low cost PC'?!?!? Did I miss something???

BTW, someone cited newegg, and I agree that for a direct POP, newegg is GREAT, BUT.. if you REALLY want to work the best deals here are two more sites that are GREAT....

www.slickdeals.net (usually Dell, but the deals are SLICK and not JUST PC's!!!)
and
www.pricewatch.com for comparison shopping with a lot of cheap vendors of varying quality.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 655 times:

NoUFO: Right, programs that don't exist, don't crash.

Since it´s primarily worms, viruses and trojans which "sadly" won´t run on MacOS X I can easily live with that. What good are 100 Windows programs if 95 of them are crap anyway and I can choose from 4 or 5 good or even excellent ones under MacOS?

There are very few actual gaps, and even most of those can be closed by using VirtualPC on the Mac (a PC emulation software).


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 651 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
Since it�s primarily worms, viruses and trojans which "sadly" won�t run on MacOS X I can easily live with that. What good are 100 Windows programs if 95 of them are crap anyway and I can choose from 4 or 5 good or even excellent ones under MacOS?

Ok, got a copy of Macromedia Authorware or a stable Version of Macromedia Flash for Mac? What editor do you use to create text files written in Unicode text? There are some, but they are either costy or crap.
What good 3rd party tools for Flash, Director and Authorware are around? Again: There are some but less than those for Windows.
Very few companies continue to support Macs - one of them is Microsoft - and even Macromedia and Adobe (or Adobe alone after both companies merged) have thinned out their Mac development departments - and it shows.

The old argument "What good are 100 Windows programs if 95 of them are crap anyway and I can choose from 4 or 5 good or even excellent ones under MacOS?" is in fact a prime example of blindness Mac evangelists volunteer to suffer from.

In many cases, a Mac is the better computer. In many other cases it is the standard Windows PC.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 647 times:

NoUFO, I´m sorry that Macromedia doesn´t support you as well as you´d like and that decent software is not always for free. But that´s worlds apart from your generic claim above.

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 642 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
I´m sorry that Macromedia doesn´t support you as well as you´d like

It's not only Macromedia.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
and that decent software is not always for free.

That's not what I expect ....

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
But that´s worlds apart from your generic claim above.

... but I have yet to meet a Mac user who has never said "Dang, I wish that was available for my Mac, too!" or "If only I had the choice, PC users have."



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 640 times:

NoUFO: It's not only Macromedia.

Still not the generally horrible picture you were painting, even though I get your particular frustration over Macromedia.


NoUFO: ... but I have yet to meet a Mac user who has never said "Dang, I wish that was available for my Mac, too!"

"...but in Mac-usual quality, of course, not this kind of crap!" Big grin
Sure. Once or twice. Not more. And it was usually just a matter of time until a comparable - or better - product came around.


NoUFO: or "If only I had the choice, PC users have."

Uh, no. Numbers aren´t everything if the quality can´t deliver.


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 637 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
Uh, no. Numbers aren´t everything if the quality can´t deliver.

First true thing you have said in our mini battle tonight!!!  duck   Wink Except if we look at the windows OS, it is both a quality system and has tremendous numbers in stock. Seems like it has both quality and numbers! WOW! What a great company!!!  Cool

-Sam



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 632 times:

You´re surely joking. Many millions of users are daily straining under the onslaught of malware and Windows-generated frustrations. Ignorance may be bliss - but in this case knowledge would do you good. If you knew and were still happy with Windows, good for you. But without really knowing the difference it doesn´t say much, does it?

It takes a bit more than just five minutes of dabbling to get it.


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 629 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
It takes a bit more than just five minutes of dabbling to get it.

Oh my friend, i know Macs well, my school has a whole computer lab with them our science teacher only works with Macs... thus subjecting us very often to the terror of the evil fruit... Big grin

-Sam



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 623 times:

If that were the case you could easily be more specific; But it seems you can´t.

User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 622 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
If that were the case you could easily be more specific

I'll give you a specific example. We did a video report, and had to use iDVD... the thing wouldn't syncronize the video with the audio after it would finally accept the video. I did the exact same project with Magix Movie Edit Pro for Windows and it worked great. Hmmm

-Sam



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25 NoUFO : The pictures I'm painting are by far less generalizing than yours and I really like Macromedia products. Speaking of "generally horrible pictures" ..
26 Klaus : FutureUApilot: I'll give you a specific example. We did a video report, and had to use iDVD... the thing wouldn't syncronize the video with the audio
27 FutureUApilot : Does that mean I won one of the arguments??? That's the problem!!! Mac's are so predictable! With Windows it's a new adventure every day! By the way,
28 NoUFO : See ... different computers for different needs. I use to create screensavers by using Flash movies. Foremost because MacOS is not standard. Twenty m
29 Post contains images Klaus : FutureUApilot: Does that mean I won one of the arguments??? Your point was that "Macs crash all the time". And no, that doesn´t qualify, not nearly s
30 FutureUApilot : Hey, i have to go to bed, and won't be home tomorrow... so Klaus: I, Sam, will not give up my fight. I will be back Monday, and by then i'll have the
31 Klaus : Just refer to the other thread. Good night![Edited 2005-05-08 05:20:12]
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