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7 More Soldiers Dead In Iraq  
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Snip.....BAGHDAD, Iraq - An explosion of insurgent violence in Iraq killed seven U.S. servicemembers over the weekend even as the Shiite-dominated parliament reached out Sunday to Sunni Arabs, approving four more of their number to serve as government ministers.

More than 300 people, including American forces, have been killed in a torrent of insurgent attacks since Cabinet was sworn in April 28 with seven positions undecided.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...u=/ap/20050508/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

Once again Im glad things are getting better over in the U.S. of Iraq. We are winning are WE not!!!!!!

What a nice Mothers day Gift.


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Maybe you should blame those terrorists for killing people on mother's day rather than the US government?


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
Maybe you should blame those terrorists for killing people on mother's day rather than the US government?

Maybe you should send some more (presuming you have any) troops of your own down there and let them die for those WMD's and the 'liberation of the Iraqi people'


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Rsmith - I have an honest question without any ulterior motive....

Did you serve in the armed forces when you were younger? You're pretty old, I do mean that with the up-most respect sir, so you would have served when it was still a *popular* choice for many young men. Just wondering.

-UH60


User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

RSmith-

We would still be there if Kerry got elected. They would still be dead.

The question is would you still post this?



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
Maybe you should blame those terrorists for killing people on mother's day rather than the US government?

Fact remains there weren't such terrorist attacks before the US invasion - because the terrorists from all over the world started running to Iraq afterwards. Sure, Saddam and his regime are removed - but at what price? How many civilians and soldiers have died since? How many more will die? The civil war will go on. And all that because of shameful lies.

When Saddam was in power, people had a hard life. But life was somehow calculable - today it's not. No matter if normal citizens or soldiers, everybody can be blown up at any time at any place. It's chaos, it's a mess. And some call that "democracy". Democracy without stability, freedom and security is worth nothing.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 4):
RSmith-

We would still be there if Kerry got elected. They would still be dead.

The question is would you still post this?

Excellent point. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he was able to still find a way to blame the President. His rabid hatred is rooted that deeply. I think it's most unfortunate that some on A.net use genuinely sad news to achieve a political goal. I tend to doubt the sincerity of their sadness for the dead soldiers. The truth is, if it can fuel their hatred, then it's fair game for them.

OH! And don't ask them to offer constructive suggestions and opposing (viable) solutions -- they cannot be bothered with that -- they're too consumed with their blind hatred.

-UH60
**Edit for grammar error

[Edited 2005-05-08 23:03:34]

User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 6):
I tend to doubt the sincerity of their sadness for the dead soldiers. The truth is, if it can fuel their hatred, then it's fair game for them.

I could not agree more.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

The liberal media is the driving force in all the negative news coming out of Iraq. Sadly, yes American Soldiers are still dying. Just as they are around the world and in this country nearly everday in training accident and just sad accidents. They don't tell you about that. They don't tell you about all the good things happening....schools opening for the first time in decades, woman beginning to have a say in what is going on in their country and no longer being treated like pieces of meat. Hospitals opening and running themselves. Local governments being set up and running themselves. Locals in the hundreds turning in these scum bags low life's to the Police that are killing my innocent people...both Iraqi and Peace Keepers. Things are changing for the better everyday. It took our own counrty nearly 80 years to finally find peace after 1776...it is not going to happen over night, but we can't give up the hope of finding peace. Have you heard anything in the liberal media about the nearly 60 top leaders from al-Zarqwai's band of idiots that were killed or captured in teh last 5 days..? ....any mention of the letter found a few weeks ago written to al Zarqwai speaking of poor moral, poor 'fighters' and a willingness to give up the fight agenst a free Iraqi as the can see they are not winning the support of the Iraqi people..as they continute to kill them.

[Edited 2005-05-08 23:09:11]


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
No matter if normal citizens or soldiers, everybody can be blown up at any time at any place. It's



Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
because the terrorists from all over the world started running to Iraq afterwards.

...not to sound any less sympathetic than normal, but I speak for an enormous amount of Americans (and some Euros) in saying "better there than here"


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 9):
but I speak for an enormous amount of Americans (and some Euros) in saying "better there than here"

Iraq as the big battle field to fight terrorists, I see. But fact is the American invasion also created masses of new terrorists, and the ones who are mainly suffering are the Iraqi civilians.
And you can be sure terrorist groups will still aim at attacking the US in their homeland, no matter how many of them get killed in Iraq.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
The liberal media is the driving force in all the negative news coming out of Iraq.

ok, let's think about this...7 Americans died...how is the "Lberal media" to balme for this??? Should they be reporting the 'good stories' comming out of Iraq??? NO!! it doesn't 'sell'.. don't blame the liberal media, blame the CONSUMERS who OVER AND OVER AND OVER again choose to 'purchase' with the 'if it bleeds it leads' mentality. Show ALL the networks that viewership drops off when they talk about death, and increases on the goodie goodie 'oh American toops built a day care center', and I'll garantee that the stories will change. Until you can change the viewing habits of the American people SHUT THE FU¢K UP about "liberal media"!!!


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Seven died but how many where saved? You seem like a bright guy, care to tell us? Perhaps you forget that we are at war and not playing some numbers game?

Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
Fact remains there weren't such terrorist attacks before the US invasion - because the terrorists from all over the world started running to Iraq afterwards. Sure, Saddam and his regime are removed - but at what price? How many civilians and soldiers have died since? How many more will die? The civil war will go on. And all that because of shameful lies.

When Saddam was in power, people had a hard life. But life was somehow calculable - today it's not. No matter if normal citizens or soldiers, everybody can be blown up at any time at any place. It's chaos, it's a mess. And some call that "democracy". Democracy without stability, freedom and security is worth nothing.

Pfffffhhhh. That people...is called spin. Chicken or the egg debate. Spare us with this nonsense.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
The liberal media is the driving force in all the negative news coming out of Iraq.

Yeah, whenever something goes wrong like shit, blame the media. That has always been the easiest way. Don't like too see or hear anything, switch it off.
What's your suggestion? Censorship? Why don't you just watch Fox TV?

Btw, what about the recent hundreds of dead Iraqi civilians in the past days? Were all these bomb blasts reported?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
Democracy without stability, freedom and security is worth nothing.

What is democracy without life, liberty, and the pursiut of happiness? What good is a democracy if you can't step out of your home without fear of being shot in the street? What good is a democracy if the people you "elect" continue to be killed? What good is a democracy if 300 people have been killed in attacks since the "democratic" government was sworn in?



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User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
Just as they are around the world and in this country nearly everday in training accident and just sad accidents.

Show me the most recent "training/sad accident" in the US where 7 soldiers died. You honestly want to compare the deaths of soldiers in training accidents to the number being killed in Iraq? Please...

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
Locals in the hundreds turning in these scum bags low life's to the Police that are killing my innocent people

Let me get this straight: hundreds of locals are turning in low life's [sic] that are killing your innocent people? For someone of the age you claim to be, your writing is not very understandable...



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

So the deaths should be hushed up just to save you the embarrassment of having been conned into this war?

No, sorry. That´s not how it works. You can´t just pick and choose which deaths you like to have reported and which ones are to "blame" on the "liberal media".

If you want your troops to be grateful, spare them the pseudo-patriotic nonsense and instead think before you send them to war!  gnasher 


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 12):
Pfffffhhhh. That people...is called spin. Chicken or the egg debate. Spare us with this nonsense.

Why don't you just try to find some counter arguments instead calling these facts about daily life in Iraq "nonsense"? Haven't you heard about these hundreds of dead civilians only in the past days?

There's a difference between sitting comfortably in an armchair somewhere in the middle of US, drinking a cold beer, praising the great positive developments in Iraq while in that very country civilians are fighting for their survival every day and every day. How much do you think these people care whether their county is now called a "democracy"?


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Udo,

The people of Iraq had a horrible life while Saddam and his two sons were in power. Those people are very brave, they want a free country and to be able to think for themselves and live a happy life. Some have made the ultimate sacrifice for this. I think if you asked them they wouldn't change a thing.

BUT, I guess we are enjoying all this oil the BUSH is stealing. Since that is the only reason we invaded Iraq. I just love paying $2.60 a gallon! So where is all this oil? The Democratic Propaganda is not working anymore. It didn't get Kerry elected and it won't hold any water. It just falls apart at the seams.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 10):
and the ones who are mainly suffering are the Iraqi civilians.

Like I and apparently tens of millions of other Westerners have voiced, be it by vote or utterance: better them than us


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
BUT, I guess we are enjoying all this oil the BUSH is stealing. Since that is the only reason we invaded Iraq.

The vast majority of those people who opposed the war at the moment the Bush administration chose to battle against a part of the ME without the world's approval has never claimed it was all about oil.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

ConcordeBoy: better them than us

"Them" obviously including your own troops as well.

And you´re wondering why more and more of "them" are beginning to feel betrayed?


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 17):
Why don't you just try to find some counter arguments instead calling these facts about daily life in Iraq "nonsense"?

You have been there? Fact is, you have not.

Quoting Udo (Reply 17):
There's a difference between sitting comfortably in an armchair somewhere in the middle of US, drinking a cold beer, praising the great positive developments in Iraq while in that very country civilians are fighting for their survival every day and every day. How much do you think these people care whether their county is now called a "democracy"?

Yes there is a difference. Glad you realize that. As for positive developments, there are many. Civilians fight every day for survival and part of the quest is the desire for a better life whether it is democracy or some other form of freedom. Freedom that is never cheap.

There are two sides of every story. I am interested in facts. You are interested in your own self serving propaganda. Thanks for sharing your "facts".



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

How about the fact that seven soldiers died today, and none of you really seem to care?


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User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1720 times:

7 dead today and surely many many more to come. Why? Because there will never be an end to this. If US pulls out, everything will fall apart. Those people can't learn what a democracy is in a few years when they have ALWAYS just known the "other" way of living. To all the mothers around this country who have lost their children at war, my most caring sympathy goes out to you. You and your fallen loved ones will DEFINETLY be in my prayers tonight. It is truly sad that your beloved children had to die over nothing, shows how little our president values the lives of our soldiers.

25 Allstarflyer : Yeah, that's the blunt truth. 7 dead. The arguement that comes to mind is that of Moore vs. O'Reilly when Moore thought he had O'Reilly pinned on his
26 UH60FtRucker : Wow. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. I would wager that a fair amount of people feel the same way about Mr. Rsmith... but none so blunt as y
27 UH60FtRucker : Well this was never really about the death of those 7 soldiers... it was just another political opprotunity. Sadly, it's not just Rsmith who does thi
28 NIKV69 : Oh please, the liberal media, Ward Churchill and those brainwashed college kids have all been saying it. Their plan to unseat Bush failed miserably.
29 Springbok747 : Those 7 soldiers died doing what they did best...everyone dies (in case you didn't know Rsmith), at least these boys died serving their country, not i
30 Chugach : It amazes me that people can't respect the fact that seven soldiers died defending our country today, on Mother's Day no less. Respect the fact that t
31 Allstarflyer : Some of those here are becoming more apparent to me as well, though, I usually go about thinking that most that post here strive to be objective in t
32 NoUFO : NIKV69, You really have a talent to simplify matters and put completely different issues in one vessel: Iraq, the election, Pearl Harbour .... None of
33 Post contains images TPASXM787 : AWESOME! Nothing else I can really say.
34 NoUFO : While I agree that the thread starter can get on one's nerves with his anti-Bush rhetoric, soldiers - no matter what made them join the army - are st
35 TPASXM787 : No doubt. All the politicians suck. I posted on the other thread to name that last one that cared about you and me and didn't have their own agenda b
36 Falcon84 : Riight. When in doubt, blame the "liberal media"! It's so much more convenient than facing up to facts, isn't it EMBQA. Maybe, just maybe, my friend,
37 Post contains images Springbok747 : Who the hell is being ignorant?! I think I know how the situation is in Iraq, my cousin is there now (in al Muthanna province of Iraq)..he was the la
38 ANCFlyer : Answer: No. Concur, political fodder for RSmith. Now, some on here, I'm quite sure have genuine concerns. I'm quite sure some do not - simply another
39 NIKV69 : How in the name of God would they do it without us? Saddam gassed them, tortured them and ruled by complete fear. They do want us there and we are st
40 Falcon84 : Jesus Christ, talk about a superiority complex, that one takes the cake? They would figure it out for themselves, just other nations have-just as we
41 CORULEZ05 : how dare you use the name of the Lord in vane...shame on you! I agree with NikV69 100%
42 TedTAce : I say we ought to come up with alternative transportation, and the need for any oil; then that whole region can go to hell without OUR money!! Let's p
43 EMBQA : Ah, now a training accident is the same as KIA in a war we shouldn't have fought? Uh, OK My point being, Military personal die every day around the wo
44 ANCFlyer : Nick, I'm not defending anything in this post of your's but I think - strongly - that comparing Falcon with Hanoi Jane, the ultimate traitorous bitch
45 Falcon84 : My cousin is a doctor, and he served over there the first year of the war. Is that good enough. Again-we do not have the right, simply because we are
46 B757300 : Nah, Randy can't do that. He will always blame the U.S. government for everything bad as long as a Republican is in the White House. He makes posts l
47 Rsmith6621a : Now that this thread has ran a bit I would like to have everyone that finds my post absurd I have one question for you to consider????? Why are we in
48 Post contains images ANCFlyer : What I want to know from you Smitty, is WTF does this have to do with Mother's Day. It's just another opportunity - as your reply 47 clearly shows - f
49 Rsmith6621a : A bitch depends on what perspective you wish to view it from... Well because it happened on Mothers day and I am sad for all the Moms that will not n
50 ANCFlyer : No, because as I said earlier in the thread Padcrasher blew through here, it's the same shit over and over. We've beaten this horse so dead . . . was
51 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Try a more convincing approach rather than flame-baiting. Your initial thread was intended to , and any claim to the contrary would be fallacious, re
52 Airlinelover : NoUFO- I'm a cynic? You're so full of shit.... If Germany has a crisis I sure as hell hope you guys don't come crying to us for any sort of help. PEop
53 Rsmith6621a : Trust me Airlinelover...... I am not to concerend about digging myself to deep.....I burried myself long time ago.......What I am more concerend abou
54 Allstarflyer : It's often only a flame session when the initial thread invites it (and yours did more than invite, it provoked). Otherwise, most members don't get i
55 ANCFlyer : I see the thread title here changed magically overnight! Isn't that special . . . .
56 Rsmith6621a : Did you also notice how the MODS either deleted the filth that Airlinelover brought into the thread,Reply 25........The MODS also cleaned up his filt
57 KROC : Airlinelover does not have a track record of inciting flame wars or obsessively posting on the same topic over and over. You get flagged for a reason
58 Clipperhawaii : Sorry, but an outburst like that deserves a suspension for a few days at least. The inconsistencies in this sites moderation is unbelievable. I wonder
59 KROC : Well, I did not see Airlinelover's "outburst". As for the title...I changed it. So what? "Happy Mothers Day, 7 more dead..." what does that have to do
60 ANCFlyer : Good Call KROC. RSmitty, you just need to get over it. All you want is a fight. And that's all you get. Do you feel oppressed? Too bad.
61 Tbar220 : ANC, duh. I didn't insinuate that everything would go "okay" with the turning of a switch and that it would be easy. But my point was that at what po
62 ANCFlyer : TBar . . . people have been dying forming democracies for hundreds of years. every time a repressive regime is eliminated and a new government (whethe
63 DC10GUY : Rsmith, Why do you give a shit about them soldiers ??? Your a liberal are you not ? If them guys where too poor or too dumb to get out of joining the
64 Solarix : RSmith: You're the reason liberals lost the election. Nuff said.
65 Tbar220 : ANC, I guess I'll just have to disagree with you. I don't see that "freeing of Iraq"/"spreading of democracy" as a worthwhile use of our armed forces
66 CaptOveur : People who think like this were a big contribution to the dems losing the election. There are smart people on both sides. There are retards on both s
67 Rsmith6621a : Oh Captoveur I forgot about the Bush mandate and the capitol he planned on spending.....remember Well 2.5% margin and another election controversy is
68 CaptOveur : It doesn't matter how much you spend if the other guy is a bigger retard. The problem wasn't the money, you like to say it was, because that takes re
69 Post contains links Rsmith6621a : Speaking of Clowns and the message....... http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/quotes/georgewbush.html And my favorite...... "Too many good docs are
70 CaptOveur : Nice deflection from the topic at hand. I guess when the facts aren't in your favor it is more fun to fling slanderous comments. You like to point out
71 CaptOveur : And plenty of Dumbass Dems. Maybe someday when you realize that being a dumbass transcends party boundaries you might field a winning candidate. Unti
72 CaptOveur : They would be just as dead if Kerry won the election. You seem to be in denial over that. You are more than welcome to contact me over the PM, I get
73 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'd agree with that. Perhaps we're thinking along the same lines, but thinking in different terminology. I'm quite tired of sending the US military e
74 TPASXM787 : Plus, Kerry voted for the war. Everyone seems to forget that. I don't care if hindsight is 20/20. He did vote for it.
75 Adam : Agreed. Democracy is wonderful but how many countries are we going to invade and liberate before we have exhausted our own military? Adam
76 Rsmith6621a : Kerry voted for the war based on FALSE intelligence....Why does everyone forget that???? This war has been based on false intelligence from the get g
77 Post contains images TPASXM787 : Nope, nor will he ever get the chance
78 ANCFlyer : No one has forgotten that RSmith, with your incessant postings we can't possibly . . . and I know most everyone on this site that discusses this issu
79 Rsmith6621a : The friggin point is even though BUSH has lied to you you still support the fool and his war. You find it acceptable by default that 1600+ soldiers h
80 ANCFlyer : No, Bush hasn't lied . . . we've been over that too . . . you just hate him and any repub so badly, you're simply blinded by anything that resembles
81 Rsmith6621a : I DO!!!! ANC...... I thank them for their sacrifice each and everytime I talk to one on the phone at work. I go out of my way to make sure they are n
82 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Thank you . . . thank you very much. I'm glad to hear that. Seriously, thank you. . . . . Ummmm, I didn't, you and Captoveur did . . . so with that d
83 DC10GUY : Why is it that when GW Bush's screw ups are brought up the first thing the righties say is Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, of Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, What is
84 CaptOveur : Ok so you are conceding that Bush did in fact NOT lie to us but was misled by intelligence? That is a big step towards sanity for you. Was/Is Kerry o
85 XJRamper : Um....i did not see Clinton mentioned once in this entire thread. And the first time Kerry comes up is this statement: That seems like a fairly relev
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