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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

I know it's a christian school, but pahleez! She got married!

Some of these people need to start thinking....and not just being idiots!


School punishes teacher for getting pregnant before married

Wednesday, May 11, 2005

ASSOCIATED PRESS

BERRIEN SPRINGS -- A kindergarten teacher at private Christian elementary school has been placed on paid administrative leave until her contract expires because she became pregnant before she got married.

Christine John, a first-year teacher at the Village Seventh-day Adventist Elementary School in Berrien Springs, said she was asked at a meeting with school officials last week why she was four months along in her pregnancy when she had been married just two months before.

John, 24, said school officials told her that premarital sex is an act strictly forbidden by the school system and the Seventh-day Adventist religion. In the end, she was told her services were no longer necessary.

Now she's considering legal action.

"I was very surprised. Shocked," John told the South Bend (Ind.) Tribune for a Wednesday story. "I had no clue what the meeting was about."

School officials said John was placed on administrative leave until her contract expires.

Michael Nickless, communication director for the Michigan Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, said that under the school's policies, unmarried teachers who get pregnant can be fired immediately.

"In our school system, our teachers are expected to be a positive spiritual example for our congregations and youth," Nickless said in a prepared statement. "When she (John) chose behavior contrary to those values, she was placed on administrative leave.

"Even though policy allows for immediate dismissal, out of compassion, her present contract continues to be honored and she will receive full pay and benefits until the contract expires."

John said her contract runs through June

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm4126_20050511.htm

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User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
John, 24, said school officials told her that premarital sex is an act strictly forbidden by the school system and the Seventh-day Adventist religion. In the end, she was told her services were no longer necessary.



Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
"In our school system, our teachers are expected to be a positive spiritual example for our congregations and youth,"

Apparently judging others harshly is not forbidden by the school and is expected of the teachers.

As for those school officials, we just don't HEAR of what 'forbidden' acts they have done.



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Isn't this against some discrimination law? It doesn't matter if it's a private or public school, christian or not. They have no right to do this. I hope she sues and wins.

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Getting fired from the school will probably be the best thing that could happend to her.

I went to a Christian school myself for a couple of years, it really messed me up. We weren't allowed to post any pictures in our lockers unless they had a bible verse quoted. So I had to find some bible verses for all my pics of A320's and B767's...  Yeah sure



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5396 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

She had sex before she was married?!? THE HARLOT SHOULD BE STONED!

Signed,
Lib___slayer



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Where is the difference between these school people and the Taliban?

User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Absolutely nothing. .


Heed our warnings or your future will be underpant free!
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

What would have happened to her if she had an abortion and the administartion found out? Stone her to death?
Look, she signed a contract with a private, religious school that made it clear that she had to follow the teachings of the church, so I doubt she has much of a legal recourse. Still though, it does seem counterdictory to be so 'Un-Christian" as to dismiss her.


User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
She had sex before she was married?!? THE HARLOT SHOULD BE STONED!

Signed,
Lib___slayer

Speaking of Jerry Falwell Jr., where is that turd? Has a.net flushed him yet?

I'm not well read on the legalities of her situation, or the school's finances, but couldn't that school be in some $hit if it recieves federal funds, and yet still discriminates?



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 2):
It doesn't matter if it's a private

It does.. Private groups can do what they want. That's why they don't have Gay Boy Scout Troop leaders.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 5):
Where is the difference between these school people and the Taliban?
Learpilot,reply=6 Absolutely nothing. .

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At least she is on PAID administrative leave, that should give her plenty of time to sort through the hundreds of 'better' offers she should get.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):
So I had to find some bible verses for all my pics of A320's and B767's...

"And God did then appear to Noel Forgeard in a vison and did say: 'Noel, thou shalt build a new aircraft, one that is flown entirely by computer, for it shall save on weight and be more reliable, plus it won't be as subject to human error. This thou shalt do, Noel, and thou shalt call it the A320, and it shall become the standard by which all other short-to-medium range airliners are measured, and all shall bow to it and rejoice.' And Noel did respond to the Lord, saying 'But if the computers are to be built by man, does that not keep the same possibility of error?' And the Lord did pause for a moment, and then did say 'Ok, smartass, just for that I shall cause people to think that thy company recieves unfair subsidies, and thou shalt never heard the end of the whining.' And Noel did take back what he said, but the Lord's word is law, and he refused to change his mind. And thus the A vs B thread was born."

-Airliners 3:141-147  mischievous 

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5396 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
"And God did then appear to Noel Forgeard in a vison and did say: 'Noel, thou shalt build a new aircraft, one that is flown entirely by computer, for it shall save on weight and be more reliable, plus it won't be as subject to human error. This thou shalt do, Noel, and thou shalt call it the A320, and it shall become the standard by which all other short-to-medium range airliners are measured, and all shall bow to it and rejoice.' And Noel did respond to the Lord, saying 'But if the computers are to be built by man, does that not keep the same possibility of error?' And the Lord did pause for a moment, and then did say 'Ok, smartass, just for that I shall cause people to think that thy company recieves unfair subsidies, and thou shalt never heard the end of the whining.' And Noel did take back what he said, but the Lord's word is law, and he refused to change his mind. And thus the A vs B thread was born."

-Airliners 3:141-147

ROFLMAO!!! Good job, Mir.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4897 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

That is outragous.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):
So I had to find some bible verses for all my pics of A320's and B767's...

"...Then God said, "Let there be a metal tube that can carry people from point A to point B faster than Adam carrying Eve around." And the airplane was born. God added hot f/a's and yakking captains, and saw that it was good."

-Airliners 3:3-5



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Mir,

And I thought I've lost all my faith in the scriptures! Thank-you for guiding me back on to the path of righteousness.

That is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.  bigthumbsup 



A Grumpy German Is A Sauerkraut
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 13):
And I thought I've lost all my faith in the scriptures! Thank-you for guiding me back on to the path of righteousness.

Never fear, my son, for those who are touched by the words of the Book of Airliners can never stray from it's holy path.  angel 

Nice one, NWA  thumbsup 

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Back on topic (although I enjoyed the airliner scripture), did this woman sign a contract? Was there a morals clause that outlined unacceptable actions? While I'm not a supporter of religious nutcases, remember, she wanted to be one of them.

Logan


User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 15):
Back on topic (although I enjoyed the airliner scripture), did this woman sign a contract? Was there a morals clause that outlined unacceptable actions? While I'm not a supporter of religious nutcases, remember, she wanted to be one of them.

Exactly, at least there is no double standard here for teachers and students. The school would immediately throw a pregnant teen out of school because it is not in line with the values of the school which is why parents send their children there.

Now if they can just allow people who don't attend that school to live THEIR lives as they choose.



I'm just happy that RR ratings can't be in negative numbers!
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1436 times:
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sheesh,

you'd think she had sex and had a baby with one of her students, like one teacher in the news did.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 17):
sheesh,

you'd think she had sex and had a baby with one of her students, like one teacher in the news did.

Excuse me, she is a KINDERGARTEN teacher!  crazy 

Jan


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
Excuse me, she is a KINDERGARTEN teacher!

MD, I think your missing something here... There are media reports of K age students messing around.. granted it's with eachother and not teachers.. but if I knew my son was banging his Art teacher, I'd be proud!!


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1422 times:
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you'd think she had sex and had a baby WITH one of her students, like one teacher in the news did.

dont you remember that old story, the gal who had sex with a student and had his baby? might even had been a teacher in NY, I dont remember.



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 16):
Now if they can just allow people who don't attend that school to live THEIR lives as they choose.

Amen to that! Wink

Logan


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 20):
dont you remember that old story, the gal who had sex with a student and had his baby? might even had been a teacher in NY, I dont remember.

It was Oregon.. Mary Kay LeTourneau , and she had two of his children, but he was aged 13 when it first started. They are about to, or just got married for real after she got out of prison.


User currently offlineUSAir_757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
"And God did then appear to Noel Forgeard in a vison and did say: 'Noel, thou shalt build a new aircraft, one that is flown entirely by computer, for it shall save on weight and be more reliable, plus it won't be as subject to human error. This thou shalt do, Noel, and thou shalt call it the A320, and it shall become the standard by which all other short-to-medium range airliners are measured, and all shall bow to it and rejoice.' And Noel did respond to the Lord, saying 'But if the computers are to be built by man, does that not keep the same possibility of error?' And the Lord did pause for a moment, and then did say 'Ok, smartass, just for that I shall cause people to think that thy company recieves unfair subsidies, and thou shalt never heard the end of the whining.' And Noel did take back what he said, but the Lord's word is law, and he refused to change his mind. And thus the A vs B thread was born."

-Airliners 3:141-147 mischievous

-Mir

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User currently offlineUnmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Sorry TedTAce it was Washington. I know because I went to high school in Washington and they had a test question on the standarized tests that all 10th graders had to take, the answer ended up being Mary, Kay, Le, Tour, Neau; spelling out Mary Kay LeTourneau. They had to end up throwing the question out of the test because of it. Some one managed to slip it and thought it was funny. In fact I thought it was pretty funny too!


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25 Post contains images Redngold : There are two issues here: 1. It is a private parochial school. The same standards do not apply to "equal employment opportunity" at these schools as
26 FlyingTexan : So it the employers’ business who and what and when you sleep with them? BTW – Mir, that was classic!
27 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : Hey! No stoning of Harlots! Mir, that was hilarious. Thanks!
28 Allstarflyer : So she made a mistake. She got knocked up before she was married, which is against the teachings of her faith. Looks like she followed through on her
29 Post contains images JGPH1A : Book of Airliners, II, v2-4 2. And yeah, The Lord in his mercy did go into the land of the Boeingites, unto the City of E'ver'ett, and did appear unt
30 Post contains images TedTAce : I sit corrected.... Yeah, back in the day I would have liked to have slipped it into her Sounds like witchcraft to me!! I love how apologetic your po
31 Dtwclipper : So, she's a little pregars. Did her students know? Most likely not. And by the time she had her baby, her class wouldn't really remember the dates etc
32 Toulouse : That's very true. I really hope she does. I remember hearing a similar story a while back in Ireland. (Can't remember how it ended... so I won't cont
33 Redngold : TedTAce - While I am more on the side of forgiving people, and would probably forgive this woman after counseling her, I am not apologetic for other C
34 Dtwclipper : I was trying, but I guess it didn't work!
35 Toulouse : Don't you worry Dtwclipper! I thought you were but just wanted to check. Myfault, I had to get up at 4am this morning, so I'm not really with it toda
36 SATX : No. Under George W. Bush, public funding of private religious schools has skyrocketed. However, they are still free to discriminate on the basis of r
37 Allstarflyer : In saying that, I hope she doesn't get a settlement. Whether or not you think the rules are ridiculous, she still signed a contract. I would expect s
38 TedTAce : That probably didn't cover 'premarital sex' explictly.
39 PacificWestern : Hey, if it turns out that the baby is born in a manger and is visited by three wise men, I am sure the school would be very anxious to welcome her bac
40 Redngold : TedTAce - Although in practice premarital sex may be "ok," according to the Bible and generally most moral clauses, it would not be. I do understand y
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