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Saddam And How Many Iraqis He Killed  
User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

Does anyone know what the amount is estimated to be of how many Iraqis that Saddam Hussein killed while he was the leader of the country? Also, how many were killed in the chemical weapons he dropped on the Kurds and Shi'ites? Please provide a link if you can.

signed,
Matthew


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User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

So when is the assignment due?

User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Well this is more for a debate I will be having tomorrow. I've tried Ebsco and Infotrac, but can't find any numbers.

signed,
matthew



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Try amnesty international and Human Rights Watch.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Yanks-

Several Million... try google. I had over 380,000 hits.........

[Edited 2005-05-13 02:49:02]


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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 4):
Several Million..

According to my sources, more than one million people disappeared, were killed or tortured. Not "several" million.

But the exact number is secondary, IMO.

[Edited 2005-05-13 03:07:28]


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

According to my sources, more than one million people disappeared, were killed or tortured. Not "several" million.

Help me out here.... 'several' million is greater then one million, but also unknown....so would it not be 'more then' one million...??



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Help me out here.... 'several' million is greater then one million, but also unknown....so would it not be 'more then' one million...??

Estimates are one thing, but NoUFO is correct: the exact number is secondary. So many of Husien's victims were in mass graves or whose remains were completly destroyed the exact number is both secondary and probably impossible to ascertain.

Since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, 300,000 bodies have been found in Iraq. Factor in the atrocities of the Iran-Iraq war, the atrocities of the Kuwait invasion, the supression of the Kurd and Shitie uprising in 1991, and constant terror killings... it's easy to image total victims surpassing 1,000,000.

I assume NoUFO meant 1-1.5 million as opposed to say, 3-5 million. Horrible and tragic nonetheless, especially considering the western world largerly fanned the fire or sat on their hands until recently.


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1262 times:

He killed not one single person. Saddam killed not one soul, he was just the one who appointed the death of about 1,000,000 killings.

User currently offlineLAS757300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1248 times:

No one really knows how many were killed. Anyways, enjoy your little debate tomorrow. Set up those strawmen for your opponents to knock down.


KMSP
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Saddam killed not one soul,

Oh bullshit on your semantics. What possible purpose you intended that reply to have, it only cheapens the deaths of thousands if not millions. There is zero place for that kind of garbage....

He was "just" the one who appointed the deaths of millions? That in every single solitary manner is tantamount to taking a pistol and shooting them in the face himself. How can you possibly try to make a distinction otherwise?


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7958 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1243 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):

Estimates are one thing, but NoUFO is correct: the exact number is secondary. So many of Husien's victims were in mass graves or whose remains were completly destroyed the exact number is both secondary and probably impossible to ascertain. (snip)
I assume NoUFO meant 1-1.5 million as opposed to say, 3-5 million. Horrible and tragic nonetheless, especially considering the western world largerly fanned the fire or sat on their hands until recently.

Very true.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
He killed not one single person. Saddam killed not one soul, he was just the one who appointed the death of about 1,000,000 killings.

 redflag 

Here's my infamous bullshit flag again. . .

 redflag 

The referenced post, is in fact, so bogus, it deserves 2!

First, I'd make the bet he has killed - personally - plenty.

Second, it matters not that he personally didn't "pull the trigger" when the Kurds were gassed, or the prisoners were tortured, or the mass graves were filled. You can't vindicate the SOB with your cheap shots.


User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1235 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Here's my infamous bullshit flag again. . .

cute, very very cute....how old are you again???

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
He killed not one single person. Saddam killed not one soul, he was just the one who appointed the death of about 1,000,000 killings.

I agree. He himself has not killed anyone. Same thing goes for Bush. He is responsible for the deaths of all the soldiers in Iraq...same situation..they don't ACTUALLY do it but they order it.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1228 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
cute, very very cute....how old are you again???

46, next question?

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
I agree. He himself has not killed anyone.

Once again  redflag 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
First, I'd make the bet he has killed - personally - plenty.

Second, it matters not that he personally didn't "pull the trigger" when the Kurds were gassed, or the prisoners were tortured, or the mass graves were filled. You can't vindicate the SOB with your cheap shots.

Damn I hate repeating myself . . .


User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
He himself has not killed anyone

I don't think that's true. I believe in the 1960's or 1970's, he and the Baath party attempted a overthrow of the leader of Iraq during that time. I've seen documentaries where he was the one who stopped in front of the leader's car and opened fire on it, even though he missed the leader and shot one of his comrades.

signed,
Matthew



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

He killed not one single person. Saddam killed not one soul, he was just the one who appointed the death of about 1,000,000 killings.


Sorry AirlineFreak- I've seen video of him shoot several people in the back of their heads.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
cute, very very cute....how old are you again???

46, next question?

(snigger)

 Smile


User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
Saddam killed not one soul, he was just the one who appointed the death of about 1,000,000 killings.

And Hitler was just a guy with a silly mustache who HAPPENED to appoint the murder of (how many million?) people. Saddam's guilty whether he pulled the proverbial trigger or not.



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 8):
He killed not one single person. Saddam killed not one soul, he was just the one who appointed the death of about 1,000,000 killings.



Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 13):
I agree. He himself has not killed anyone.

Might have mentioned this a while ago, but I know this Iraqi who left Iraq and came to the UK just before Saddam came to power. He's now a millionaire and lives abroad. His family didn't come with him, and stayed in Iraq (Baghdad to be precise). He supported the war by the way.
Anyway, one story he told me last year when I was staying at one of his villas, was that a friend of his brother's had some sort of plan in the 80s (can't remember the details, but something to do with microchips) which would make Saddam loads of money. It failed miserably and ended up costing Saddam a fair bit, and he was called to see Saddam. He was then shot twice in the head. So that's at least one person he's killed.

Tom


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