"More than a dozen agents, all of whom asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, said orders relayed by Border Patrol supervisors at the Naco, Ariz., station made it clear that arrests were "not to go up" along the 23-mile section of border that the volunteers monitored to protest illegal immigration."
These types of decisions...if proven true...along with Bush's inablity to accept that there is a problem at the border is setting this country up for a hit.
But that is just my .02.
I say lock down the borders, and reform Legal immigration to make it quicker and more efficient.
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1092 times:
Just wondering, after reading that article, why is the federal government so opposed to admitting that somebody MIGHT actually be doing a good job with helping them on the border? So long as they're doing everything legally and aren't just trying to use illegals for target practice, then why not let them?
Quoting Jamesag96 (Thread starter): I say lock down the borders, and reform Legal immigration to make it quicker and more efficient.
I agree with making it quicker and more efficient too. But will that make people think to do things legally any more than now?
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1092 times:
Quoting Jamesag96 (Thread starter): I say lock down the borders, and reform Legal immigration to make it quicker and more efficient.
Agreed.
I fully support and endorse legal immigration.
I fully detest illegal immigration and believe the Government is ignorant as to the real problem. Or at least they want to appear that way. They are certainly ineffective in combating it.
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1088 times:
I fully detest illegal immigration and believe the Government is ignorant as to the real problem. Or at least they want to appear that way. They are certainly ineffective in combating it.
Taking just the words IGNORANT and INEFFECTIVE..... good thoughts!
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7680 posts, RR: 18 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
The battle against illegal immigratation is being fought in the wrong place. The number of illegals willing to cross the border, despite the risk of dying in the desert, being arrested, or picked up by a local posse is still pretty high. Which should tell anybody in power something -- that despite the high risks involved in getting across the border the rewards for making it are higher.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
JamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1071 times:
I love this line...
"...Border Patrol supervisors in Arizona discounted their efforts, saying a drop in apprehensions during their protest was because of the Mexican government's deployment of military..."
The Mexican military being deployed was a reaction to the volunteers in the first place...they were re-directing people.
Quoting Greyhound (Reply 1): I agree with making it quicker and more efficient too. But will that make people think to do things legally any more than now?
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1066 times:
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 5): Becaus it is so painfully slow and inefficient
True, it is now, but will that make people think anything different of crossing illegally? I think there would always be alot of illegal immigration because in some way it's easier than putting up with ANY amount of paperwork or waiting time.
CORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1066 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2): I fully detest illegal immigration and believe the Government is ignorant as to the real problem.
not surprising and may I ask...what is the "real problem"? People coming to this country to work???? I mean, I don't see that a problem. I would label terrorism as a problem not hard working people that are only looking to make money for their families back home who are living in poverty conditions. You would have to see and know what some of these people are going through in Mexico and hence the reason why they make the trip here. Honestly, the danger these people go through to come here in the first place is extreme. The only reason why they come is because they have VERY VERY strong motives.
Quote from the article:
"It's like telling a cop to stand by and watch burglars loot a store but don't arrest any of them,"
That is such BS. You can't even compare the two situations because they are two opposite extremes.
JamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1063 times:
Quoting Greyhound (Reply 6): I think there would always be alot of illegal immigration because in some way it's easier than putting up with ANY amount of paperwork or waiting time.
Not if you lock down the borders...and I mean LOCK DOWN.
JamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1058 times:
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 7): I would label terrorism as a problem not hard working people that are only looking to make money for their families back home who are living in poverty conditions.
What a cute little thought...how do you know the difference between the two as they walk through the desert?
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 7): That is such BS. You can't even compare the two situations because they are two opposite extremes.
Actually...breaking the law is breaking the law so I would say this guys analogy holds true.
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1055 times:
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 9): Actually...breaking the law is breaking the law so I would say this guys analogy holds true.
ding ding ding ding. But remember, those who cross ILLEGALLY deserve the same freedoms and benefits as those who cross legally and those who are allready here.
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 7): hard working people that are only looking to make money for their families back home who are living in poverty conditions.
I have no problem with those people. So long as they're doing it legally.
JamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1048 times:
Quoting Greyhound (Reply 10): But remember, those who cross ILLEGALLY deserve the same freedoms and benefits as those who cross legally and those who are allready here.
They deserve the right to be deported post haste and that is about it.
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1043 times:
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 11): They deserve the right to be deported post haste and that is about it.
I agree. I was just giving what CORULEZ05s stance on this issue usually is.
Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2477 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1028 times:
I don't like illegal immigrants coming here either, but why not put some teeth into the laws that encourage people to come here in the first place? People are coming here because there are companies willing to give them jobs.
Why not fine and/or arrest the people who hire illegals? But that might put a damper on some political donations, right?
Things will never change in Mexico if we turn a blind eye to people crossing the border illegally. Why should they? Fox knows that the proverbial "safety valve" is always open. Potential troublemakers can just go to el Norte -- voila! problem solved for everyone.
JamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1016 times:
Quoting Johnboy (Reply 13): Why not fine and/or arrest the people who hire illegals? But that might put a damper on some political donations, right?
Agreed.
And to your point on Fox...I agree. Mexico is so damn backward and full of corruption that it will more than likely never be fixed.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 980 times:
Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 7): what is the "real problem"? People coming to this country to work???? I mean, I don't see that a problem.
You mean after all the threads and post this week on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION you still don't get the "Real Problem"?!?! I am, of course, not surprised at all. . . . .
The problem Sonny Boy is Illegal Immigration. I don't give a flying fuck WHY they are entering the country, they are illegally doing so. Don't give a shit who's back home where ever . . . don't give a shit what they 'have to go through' to get here. . . breaking the law isn't easy, so why pave the road for illegals.
Enter the country legally and you deserve every break in the world - equal footing with equal opportunity. Enter it illegally, and you deserve nothing more than a boot in the ass back across the damn border.
Allstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 972 times:
Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 8): Not if you lock down the borders...and I mean LOCK DOWN.
That way there is no choice.
Not that it would be possible (politically, or otherwise), but I'd be content to see a wall from Southeastern Texas to Southwestern CA. As long as I'm dreaming, we could install motion sensors underneath these walls to detect any sonic vibrations and tectonic movements to identify anybody trying to burrow through. And, on top of that (literally), we could place multiple barbed wire strands extending several feet from the top of the fence and angled in both directions towards both sides of the border. We could also place the wall 1/2 mile w/in the U.S. border with (on the outside) motion detectors and small camps with attack dogs ready to engage any one who would compromise the integrity of the wall. And maybe some guard towers with heavy artillery, like in that old Command and Conquer game I used to play.
As long as I'm dreaming, maybe we could hunt down the illegals already here and find a way to ship them back w/o too much of a disturbance.
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 914 times:
One point against the Minutemen is that not all of their participants have followed the law. Cochise County arrested a couple of them for illegal detention and I believe that the Mexican authorities have investigated pressing criminal charges against the individuals involved. A significant part of the problem is the attitude of the Mexican government: they actively encourage illegal immigration as government policy. Fortification of the border is prohibitively expensive and practically useless as the Mexican government would simply direct the illegals towards the weak points. That's exactly the reason that the number of illegals crossing the border in AZ dropped while the Minutemen were here-the Mexican government warned them and they just crossed elsewhere. And yes, we do look for the illegals and return them when we find them-the problem is that they keep coming back and until they commit a criminal act, all that happens is that they go back and forth. There is no solution other than pressing for internal change in Mexico.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12595 posts, RR: 64 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 909 times:
Why not fine and/or arrest the people who hire illegals?
We could - but that "punish the illegal consumer" argument hasn't exactly been a resounding success in the war on drugs. Odds are it wouldn't work that well for illegal immigration either.
what is the "real problem"? People coming to this country to work???? I mean, I don't see that a problem
I'm sure you're already aware of this, but the problem is that in many cases the taxpaying citizens of the U.S. become burdened with paying for the welfare of the illegal immigrants. Another big problem is that while most come looking for a better life as decent, upstanding citizens, many do not - and have no problem with starting a life of crime (against U.S. citizens) to improve their lot in life.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
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