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Americans Love Europe. Top 5 Int'l Destinations  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8437 times:

The top 5 international destinations for American tourists according to National Geographic Travel Magazine (Feb. 2005 issue):

1-London
2-Paris
3-Cancun
4-Frankfurt
5-Amsterdam

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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Can't imagine why Frankfurt is up there. Would expect more destinations in Mexico.

UAL


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2010 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8405 times:
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Frankfurt over Amsterdam? Surely not as a destination in itself. Perhaps as a gateway, or transit point. I think most Germans would agree that as a tourist destination, the city of Frankfurt itself does not have as much to offer as other European cities (or other German cities for that matter). Germany is a fantastic destination, but I wouldn't ever consider Frankfurt as anything more than a gateway or transit point. Either we don't have the whole story, or there is something wrong with the math.


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User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Frankfurt has massive amounts of military related i.e troops, family members, etc. traffic. Not to mention it is the financial capital of continental Europe.


"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

And the top US carriers to each destination, as ranked by number of available seats:

London:
1) AA
2) UA
3) CO
4) DL

Paris:
1) AA
2) DL
3) CO
4) UA

Cancun:
1) AA
2) CO
3) US
4) DL

Frankfurt:
1) UA
2) DL
3) AA
4) CO

Amsterdam:
1) NW
2) CO
3) DL
4) UA


User currently offlineRommel From Canada, joined May 2004, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

Frankfurt?!? And honestly, Cancun really is pretty horrid although the Mayan Riviera is pretty nice.

Where's Italy in the list?


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8342 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
Can't imagine why Frankfurt is up there.

Frankfurt is heavy from the United States for connection traffic. In addition Frankfurt/Munich are both heavy for passengers to and from the U.S. for militray reasons. US Airways goes out packed from Philadelphia to Frankfurt and Munich because of its contracts with the D.O.D.!

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
1-London

Not a Suprise.. Considering the shear number of flights daily from almost all major U.S. cities! - American Airlines alone transports about 1,000,000 passengers per year to and from the London market   

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
2-Paris

Again, not a Suprise... We all know about those great weekend packages to Paris in off-season... Especially from here on the East Coast! Air France alone transports about 2,000,000 passengers from the United States to and from Paris every year!  eyepopping 

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
3-Cancun

The bulk of traffic is December to April! Great market, that has grown by leaps and bounds in recent years. This market, is much stronger from the East Coast than the West Coast. West Coast to Mexico usually ends up in PVR, ACA, SJD, MZT, ZLO, and ZIH.

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
5-Amsterdam

Amsterdam, for what ever reason???? seems to be a right of passage for American youth on their pilgrimages to Europe ....   


Regards - Kahala777

[Edited 2005-05-12 04:11:03]

[Edited 2005-05-12 04:14:29]

User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

Quoting Rommel (Reply 5):
Where's Italy in the list?

I was also surprised not to see Rome on the list.

adam



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8319 times:

And …

Garmish Paten Kirchen
Baden Baden
Heidelberg
Singelfinger and the majeur ask udo …
Octoberfest and tons of Beer
Prague
Pamplona and the bulls
Florence and our David
Monaco
Zermatt and the Matterhorn that strangely resembles the one at Disneyland
Verbier and cheese
Lugano that looks like Rio or Italy without the mess
Positano
Barcelona for the parties till 7am
Cannes and Nice
and Amsterdam for you know what …


User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8253 times:

if such a list could be separated between business and pleasure destinations, I would be very interested to see it.

If it was just pleasure, would CUN move up into first place? It'd be close.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8264 times:

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 8):
Garmish Paten Kirchen

Psst... You spelt it incorrectly...

Garmisch-Partenkirchen

It is a destination in its own right because it houses a resort complex operated by AFRC, a branch of the United States D.O.D.

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 8):
Octoberfest and tons of Beer

I think he was trying to say Oktoberfest

Which is in Munich, and throughout Southern Germany/Bavaria  sarcastic 

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 8):
Florence and our David

It is not your sculpture, now is it?

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 8):
Zermatt and the Matterhorn that strangely resembles the one at Disneyland

You, mean the one that Disneyland patterned after?  yawn 

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 8):
Lugano .....Italy without the mess

You think Lugano, is better than Lago Maggiore, Lago di Como?  rotfl 

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 8):
Lugano that looks like Rio

You have never been to Rio de Janeiro, or Buzios have you? They are nothing even remotely similar to Lugano, or Southern Switzerland/Northern Italy!  sigh 

You seem to have left off of the list!

Malaga
Budapest
Corfu
Ibiza
Prague
Provence
Mykonos
Tuscany
Venice

.... and the millions of other European sites that Americans flock to in droves every year throughout Europe!


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
5-Amsterdam

Amsterdam, for what ever reason???? seems to be a right of passage for American youth on their pilgrimages to Europe ....

Umm have you been to Amsterdam? Probably my favorite city in Europe. So many sights, very nice and down to earth people (who generally speak English better than I do), and great location (London, Paris, Brussels all relatively close).

Contrary to what some may think, AMS has a lot more going for it than the red light district and the coffeeshops (although they need to be on every tourist's itinerary).


User currently offlinePolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
Paris:
1) AA
2) DL

I was always convinced DL "owned" this one.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8093 times:

I think there is a real problem with the researchers who came up with this list. I'd like to see their methodology. This could well be a case of garbage in, garbage out.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8091 times:

Quoting PolAir (Reply 12):
I was always convinced DL "owned" this one.

Nope. Believe it or not, in spite of DL's relationship with AF, AA actually has more flights per week (42) than DL (35) and AA offers slightly more weekly seats (8904) vs. DL (8484). Remember also that AA carries more passengers to Europe than any other US airline.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

What about Sydney, Melbourne, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore etc????

User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 11):
Umm have you been to Amsterdam?

Yes, it is a wonderful city. From experience the Hotel Okura, and Sofitel are great hotels! Unfortunately, many Americans associate Holland(Nederlands) with just one thing, and that is very sad! For me, I have my favourite places of which are Den Haag, and Noordwijk aan Zee.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 15):
What about Sydney, Melbourne, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore etc????

The topic was more about Europe. Americans are not the strongest clients to Asia! Asian countries are frequented more by Europeans, and Australians than Americans.


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7425 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

Quoting PolAir (Reply 12):
Quoting Commavia (Reply 4):
Paris:
1) AA
2) DL

I was always convinced DL "owned" this one.

Air France is by far the top carrier between USA and France.
But this is about the top US carriers. DL code shares with AF on all AF's flights France-US-France but doesn't operate that much flights by itself ... And I think that's what they count.


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7847 times:

Misleading thread title there  fluffy 

But #1, #2 and #3 sound about right.

#4 and #5 I'd like to see how National Geographic figures those, unless as has already been mentioned those are just for catching a connecting flight and they maybe count up say the most international-flight-tickets sold and just leave it at that.


User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 10):
It is a destination in its own right because it houses a resort complex operated by AFRC, a branch of the United States D.O.D.

Really? Does it have a US Zip code? Everyone I talk to that goes to Germany has been there. Must be nice.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 10):
You have never been to Rio de Janeiro, or Buzios have you? They are nothing even remotely similar to Lugano, or Southern Switzerland/Northern Italy!   

No, I've never been to Rio. But Lugano is full of Americans. There's also an American High School and an American College - Franklin College - in Lugano. Sure, there's many other places. That's why everyone flies into Frankfurt, Paris and London. First you go to the big city and then to the countryside like Garmisch P. and the lakes in Italy.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 10):
You, mean the one that Disneyland patterned after?

Actually no. I read this article in the LA times a few weeks back about Zermatt. This guy was sitting on a terrace of a restaurant and looking at this funny shaped mountain and thought it looked familiar. Yes, Disneyland.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

London, Paris, and Cancun are the top three international destinations. I think FRA, and AMS re up there due to the fact that they are transit points. It is cheaper to fly to any of these place than FCO, BRU, or MAD. (I think)

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11840 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 17):
But this is about the top US carriers. DL code shares with AF on all AF's flights France-US-France but doesn't operate that much flights by itself ... And I think that's what they count.

No, Delta does not carry those passengers to CDG. They may sell them the ticket, but their butt is in a seat on an AF plane. AA has more seats to CDG each week for butts to go in than DL does.


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
The top 5 international destinations for American tourists



Quoting MarkATL (Reply 3):
Frankfurt has massive amounts of military related i.e troops, family members, etc. traffic. Not to mention it is the financial capital of continental Europe.



Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
In addition Frankfurt/Munich are both heavy for passengers to and from the U.S. for militray reasons. US Airways goes out packed from Philadelphia to Frankfurt and Munich because of its contracts with the D.O.D.!

Note the word "tourists". I don't count military or business travellers as tourists...

Geoff M.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

where is the most beautifull of all : Rome?

Probably via the above mentioned hubs..


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 14):
Remember also that AA carries more passengers to Europe than any other US airline.

Umm...I don't think so. DL and CO for that matter serve many more destinations in Europe than AA does. AA is massive in the UK and serves Paris from BOS, NYC, ORD, DFW and MIA...thus overtaking DL in US-France seats but for Europe as a whole, Im quite sure DL has the lead on that one.



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25 Flighttime : Well I've been to both plenty of times and have always noticed a slight similarity between the two. Glad someone else thinks the same as me! (And whi
26 Commavia : Sorry, but you are wrong. This summer, in fact, DL will only offer one more daily flight to Europe (41 total) than AA (40). Even though the CO and DL
27 United Airline : Kahala777, Umm.......true. But there are lots of Americans visiting Asia too. At least for Hong Kong. Both on business and leisure. Regards, Desmond
28 Checkraiser : FRA is probably up there because of cheap airfare in/out. Late last summer my brother and I went to Rome. He flew US and routed ORD-PHL-FCO and paid $
29 Post contains images LUV4JFK : That's just sad. you would think with Paris being a Sky Team hub, Delta would try to funnel more flights through. LUV4JFK
30 B742 : I'm not suprised to see London as top as a huge amount of airlines fly LON-USA: DL, CO, UA, AA, NW, AI, KU, BA, VS, PIA, US! Suprised to see Frankfurt
31 VEEREF : I wonder if this is just a "by air" study or does that include people who not only fly but drive and go by rail into Canada. Technically that's intern
32 CayMan : It seems very surprising that YYZ isn't on the list--with so many flights to and from US-- I believe for example that YYZ is AA's largest internationa
33 Post contains images Aircellist : Veeref, Good point... Thanks for the "Technically" !
34 BOSPMV : How can people make the point that combined, two airlines(CO and DL) have more service to Europe than one airliner(AA) does? Look at how many 752s CO
35 Kahala777 : You left out NZ! Regards - Kahala777
36 TinPusher007 : The point I was trying to make is that individually, both of these carriers serve more destinations in Europe than AA does. I also stand corrected if
37 Juventus : I would think CO carries more pax to Europe than AA. AA carries more pax to Mexico and Latin America than any other US airline. I don't have a source,
38 TinPusher007 : I thought so too, with DL and also CO, but apparently, there is documented evidence to the contrary. I think he was saying AA carried more pax..I was
39 CayMan : using only AA as an example if my count is right there are 26 daily flights from US into YYZ, including Eagle-- LGA YYZ x9 BOS YYZ x5 LAX YYZ x2 ORD Y
40 Commavia : I don't have the numbers right now but I can get them a bit later in the day, but of course you are right -- both CO and DL serve far more cities in
41 Kahala777 : Military familys come from the states to meet their relatives who are on R/R! American operates the 777-200, and 767-300. Continental operates 757-20
42 Avianca : FRA-ATL by DL is double daily. UA- FRA-IAD(2) FRA-ORD(2) FRA-SFO(1) NW- FRA-DTW(1) US- FRA-PHL(2) FRA-CLT(1) just for your information, FRA handled n
43 Commavia : TinPusher007-- Sorry it took so long, but now I can give you some firm numbers per Air Transport World’s May 2005 issue. All numbers are for the yea
44 SESGDL : DL operates flights from JFK-CDG twice daily. Jeremy
45 VS747SPUR : Just a question for you all, why does AA operate both from LHR and LGW ? Is this due to a slot issue at LHR or they just happy operating to LGW as wel
46 Commavia : Bermuda II. AA flies three times daily from LGW to DFW, its largest hub, and once daily to RDU. Per Bermuda II, both cities are prohibited from recei
47 TinPusher007 : Commavia...thanx for the info. I love it when people provide documented info to back up their claims as you have done here. I always new AA was strict
48 AeroVodochody : I think that means that's where most people fly to, but they probably have flights from there to other places, like Prague, which is so congested wit
49 JrMafia90 : Same here, I love to travel to Rome.
50 Commavia : Your comments are much appreciated, thank you. I agree, it is pretty darn incredible. AA offers just barely fewer seats to London than UA offers to a
51 OzGlobal : American's travelling internationally? Europe is top of the list of a VERY small market in relative terms. Only 15% of Americans have passports or tra
52 Mia : The proof is in that a friend of my mother's who is italian who needs to leave to Italy ASAP has been unable to find anything to Italy for under 900.
53 Post contains images Kahala777 : Tons? .... No that would be London Heathrow and Gatwick... Next! And sadly in most cases less than half of them have attempted a foreign language...
54 Post contains images Brooklyn787 : Fortunately the only time my eyes bug out is when I see a hot looking European girl. It also helps (or in some countries, hurts) that I speak & under
55 Post contains images Kahala777 : Oh Yeah....... Regards - Kahala777
56 Aviationhack : Hey Kahala000, Care to provide some verified statistics for the 50% of us Americans who have "never attempted a foreign language"? Possibly you should
57 DarthRandall : True, Hong Kong and Tokyo are popular tourist destinations for Americans, but I can tell you I spend a lot of my work days booking for Americans trav
58 NYCFlyer : Italy as a whole would rank in the top three country destinations - way more than Germany or the Netherlands, at least. However, Rome's not on there
59 RwSEA : DL goes 4x daily ATL-LGW in the summer ...
60 Tpaewr : I would be interested to see a projection of next years results. These current numbers for example don't reflect CO new routes; EWR-DEL/PEK/HAM/TXL/AR
61 FraT : For all of you who think that FRA is on this list only because of transit pax and military related traffic. You're dead wrong. I'm not sure if you eve
62 Juventus : Perhaps more American people visit Rome than FRA and AMS. Maybe they are nervous about buying tickects on Alitalia (nearly bankrupt), so they go to AM
63 AMSSpotter : I think Kahala meant to say 50% of the (supposed) 15% of the Americans who visited a foreign country. Not that I expect people who visit a foregin co
64 OzGlobal : You're misreading the figures. 15% travel internationally during their lifetime, not every year. This figure cannot be used to arrive at a figure of
65 Concorde001 : Frankfurt: Incorrect! London is the financial capital of Europe. Just some of the stats! *London is Europe’s richest city and a key financial centre
66 LOT767-300ER : Read man, he said CONTINENTAL EUROPE.
67 AirGabon : Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 42): DL operates JFK-CDG twice daily AA operates also BOS-CDG daily this summer
68 MauriceB : You are absolutely right. As of this summer, based on number of European airports served: 1) CO (23) 2) DL (21) 3) US (17) 4) AA (12) 5) UA (7) 6) NW
69 Post contains images Blackearth : Canada's not really a separate country, is it?
70 CayMan : Touche! Indeed it often doesnt get counted as a separate for these types of stats--which may well be the case here because the numbers suggest YYZ wou
71 Daedaeg : Oz there you go again making baseless criticisms of Americans every chance you get. How unfortunate. Who really cares what percentage of Americans tr
72 JGPH1A : The European Central Bank is in Frankfurt. They are responsible for the Euro. Hence, Frankfurt is the financial capital of Europe. That's not denying
73 Blackearth : Well, you know I was just joking.
74 Post contains links OzGlobal : Is it a criticism? I think that depends how you view international travel. Baseless? No. But it now seems the figure could be as high as 20% http://t
75 AeroWesty : You're forgetting that the U.S. has a vastly higher number of "destinations" to visit than Australia, and Americans take advantage of them being in t
76 Blackearth : I agree you certainly have a point. I think it's fair to say a majority of Americans have not even been to their nation's capital, and probably an ev
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