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Condi Spins Another Lie About Iraq  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/15/iraq.main/index.html

"This war came to us, not the other way around", my ass, you hypocrite. You and your boss started this war out of paranoia and political greed-YOU brought this war to the world, lady.

What a friggin' joke.

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User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

I caught that after American dad, and it raised my hackles. I hope the average enlistee is smarter than that.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

How the hell does a preemptive strike "come to you" not the other way around?

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
"This war came to us, not the other way around", my ass, you hypocrite. You and your boss started this war out of paranoia and political greed-YOU brought this war to the world, lady.

Well, you know why Powell is out and she is in - you don't survive in the Bush administration if you don't "tow the line" to the letter. Loyalty is the only thing rewarded, performance and common sense mean nothing. Why else would Bolton be the nominee for the UN, when he so hates the UN and is the most un-diplomatic SOB possible (vying for the position of top US diplomat)?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 1):
I caught that after American dad, and it raised my hackles.

I heard it on CNN when flipping channels, and inadvertently let out a "what an asshole", with the kids in the room-and quickly got reprimanded, and rightly so, by my wife. Couldn't help it. Whenver anyone in this administration opens their mouths about how the war started, or why we fought it, I want to puke.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 2):
How the hell does a preemptive strike "come to you" not the other way around?

Good point. Wasn't Iraq the first real test of the "Bush Doctrine" of pre-emptive war? It was, and to claim it was thrust on us is an attempt to change the historical facts of the outbreak of this conflict, which falls squrely on George Bush and no one else. To say someone else forced it on us kinds of defeats this much-touted "Bush Doctrine". In other words-it's an outright lie.

[Edited 2005-05-16 04:57:03]

User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Whenver anyone in this administration opens their mouths about how the war started, or why we fought it, I want to puke.

 yawn 

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Yes, because Condi and Bush just LOVEEE seeing young American soldiers die every week. This war was brought to us; America is not there for the heck of it.

User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 1):
I caught that after American dad

I'm not Republican, but that show is hilarious. It describes Conservative's to a tee.


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Only people living in a September 10th mentality would consider it to be a lie or else they are simply incapable of understanding what she actually means.

War was brought to this country on September 11th and that day changed how we must respond to threats. We cannot wait for the threat to become imminent or for an enemy to strike this country or our allies. Instead we must deal with the threat by whatever means necessary before it shows up at home and kills innocent Americans.

It's funny, if President Bush had launched a war into Afghanistan before September 11th in order to destroy Al-Qaeda, the U.S. left and Europe would have been screaming about it just like they are now about Iraq.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Wasn't Iraq the first real test of the "Bush Doctrine" of pre-emptive war?

Absolutely, and proves why that doctrine is so dangerous. With the best intel in the world, or close to it, we got it wrong. We went to war based on bad intel, though they now claim it was more than WMDs, but I don't remember anything more than WMDs at the time. So what happens now? Do you say, sorry - we got it wrong. No, it's too late now and we look like idiots.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 1):
I hope the average enlistee is smarter than that.

Some of us are, many are not. Sadly most will support Bush just because he is Republican, shares their "values", and they think he treats us better, though I have shown that to be debatable, at best, many times.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
Yes, because Condi and Bush just LOVEEE seeing young American soldiers die every week. This war was brought to us; America is not there for the heck of it.

It was not "brought to us" by anyone but the Bush Adminstration. Iraq had not attacked us; had not threatened to attack us; did not have anything to attack us with. We forced it on the world. WE went to the UN and laid out a case for a pre-emptive strike, which turned out to be a false case; WE warred on them, not the other way around.

Fortunately, we live in a democracy, my friend, and abhorrent lies like this do not, and will not last. Historians will record that the US, led by Mr. Bush, out of our own free will, initiated a war against Iraq without just cause, against a nation that couldn't even defend itself.

It's a lie. It was a lie 6 months into the war, and it's a lie now, and always will be a lie. Bush wanted this war, and he got it. End of story.


User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
Only people living in a September 10th mentality would consider it to be a lie or else they are simply incapable of understanding what she actually means.

War was brought to this country on September 11th and that day changed how we must respond to threats. We cannot wait for the threat to become imminent or for an enemy to strike this country or our allies. Instead we must deal with the threat by whatever means necessary before it shows up at home and kills innocent Americans.

It's funny, if President Bush had launched a war into Afghanistan before September 11th in order to destroy Al-Qaeda, the U.S. left and Europe would have been screaming about it just like they are now about Iraq.

757,

There is a topic every other day bashing the administration. I have figured out that they still will post no matter what we say.

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
Only people living in a September 10th mentality would consider it to be a lie or else they are simply incapable of understanding what she actually means.

Hello? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. That's been proven, and only blind followers of right wing extremists believe Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Afghanistan DID have a role in 9/11, and therefor that war WAS forced on us, because of actions inside that nation. Iraq had no role in 9/11. Only frightened paranoids like yourself continue to believe that, B757300.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
War was brought to this country on September 11th

It was brought to us from Afghanistan, buddy, and that does not give us the right to willy nilly invade anyone because we're scared of every shadow that moves. Iraq, again, had nothing to do with 9/11. The war, and the politics surrounding it were completely separate from 9/11. Cheney and Bush brought up the spector of close Iraq/OBL ties to scare people like you who were inclined to be scared, and who don't give a shit about any other nation to begin with, B757300.

The comfort, if there is any, B757300, is that you're a dwindling minority on this war, why it was started, and why we're continuing to fight it. Maybe that galls you more than anything.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
It's funny, if President Bush had launched a war into Afghanistan before September 11th in order to destroy Al-Qaeda, the U.S. left and Europe would have been screaming about it just like they are now about Iraq.

Yes, and I would have been one of them, friend. A democracy should be held to a higher standard when it comes to putting their young men and women in harms way. To me, we should not attack unless attacked, as is our tradition. The fact you believe otherwise tells me you could justify any invasion of any nation, because you believe America should have that right simply because we're the U.S. I have a higher standard for launching a war, and this war in Iraq didn't meet that threshold.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 10):
757,

There is a topic every other day bashing the administration. I have figured out that they still will post no matter what we say.

That's because what we posts hits home, and that's what you can't stand. This guy fucked up, and has cost well over 1500 Americans and thousands of Iraqi's their lives, yet you defend it like it was such a righteous thing. Attacking a defenseless nation, who had not threatened us, isn't righteous-it's an abomination.


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
It's funny, if President Bush had launched a war into Afghanistan before September 11th in order to destroy Al-Qaeda, the U.S. left and Europe would have been screaming about it just like they are now about Iraq.

Equally funny is that if another country were to attack someone else, preemptively, we would be the first ones crying about that too. It's ok for us, but not for the rest of the world.

I am no a lefty, I am very much a moderate with no political affiliation, but this administration is a disaster and if a person can't see that a person is only thinking in a partisan manner - IMO.

I supported Bush, all the way up until about 6 months after Iraq, when I realized people were dying in Iraq for no good reason. Whether he lied about WMD's, stretched the truth, hand picked intelligence to suit his needs - or was oblivious and really thought they were a threat - the Bush doctrine is still a mistake. Most of all, I fear we have made many enemies for years to come - and despite the bravado of some people, our country can't successfully exist in this world without friends.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 2):
How the hell does a preemptive strike "come to you" not the other way around?

...my thoughts as well

Quoting KC135R (Reply 2):
Why else would Bolton be the nominee for the UN, when he so hates the UN and is the most un-diplomatic SOB possible

methinks you just answered your own question cher  Wink

...have you forgotten how the Bush administration (and I sometimes wonder if not 'rightfully so') views the UN?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
It was not "brought to us" by anyone but the Bush Adminstration.

...and the letters "U" and "N"  Big grin


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9235 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
We cannot wait for the threat to become imminent or for an enemy to strike this country or our allies. Instead we must deal with the threat by whatever means necessary before it shows up at home and kills innocent Americans.

so...what are your thoughts on racism?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
That's because what we posts hits home, and that's what you can't stand.

falcon, you're talking to someone from toledo. they just won't get it.



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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
That's because what we posts hits home, and that's what you can't stand. This guy fucked up, and has cost well over 1500 Americans and thousands of Iraqi's their lives, yet you defend it like it was such a righteous thing. Attacking a defenseless nation, who had not threatened us, isn't righteous-it's an abomination.

Not really. We have repeatedly proved you wrong, yet you won't hear anything of it. I'm just getting tired of repeating myself every time. And i wouldn't call Sadaam's Iraq a "defenseless nation".

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 14):
and the letters "U" and "N"

Actually, that's incorrect. Most of the UN was against going to war, even after Colin Powell's famous presentation (Note the Iraq war lovers on here: that presentation was about WMD: not freeing Iraq, not getting rid of Saddam not expanding Democracy-WMD. You remember those?).

The US then contemptuously brushed aside all opposition, even from long-time Allies, and went to war anyway, thinking we'd be out in 6 months (hence the famous "Mission Accomplished" idiocy). We went in to get Bush is war, with no plan of what we wanted to do, and no plan to get out.

Starting that war wasn't exactly a proud day for the United States, and will be black mark against us for years to come.


User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2451 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 15):
falcon, you're talking to someone from toledo. they just won't get it.

Ha. Toledo is a union town. We have always been a blue county. Explain this one to me.

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
War was brought to this country on September 11th and that day changed how we must respond to threats. We cannot wait for the threat to become imminent or for an enemy to strike this country or our allies. Instead we must deal with the threat by whatever means necessary before it shows up at home and kills innocent Americans.

I agree. 9/11 changed how we should respond to threats. It made the president actually read the "terrorist strike imminent" memo, the one that came from Iraq, and ironically enough was probably handed to bush by one of his spin doctors rather than the actual intelligence agencies. Translation: Iraq ain't no damn threat!

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 10):
There is a topic every other day bashing the administration. I have figured out that they still will post no matter what we say.

You have just proven that what you have to say isn't relevent or important.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
because you believe America should have that right simply because we're the U.S

Honestly, I don't think he believes that. Kool-aide jokes aside, we're all patriots here. No need for hatred on either side.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 16):
Not really. We have repeatedly proved you wrong, yet you won't hear anything of it. I'm just getting tired of repeating myself every time. And i wouldn't call Sadaam's Iraq a "defenseless nation".

1. You rarely prove me wrong. Throwing out the GOP Playbook isn't the way to prove anyone wrong.

2. If you're tired of it, that's just too damned bad. That's your problem, and I'll keep making your tired if I feel like it, friend.

3. The fact that we rolled over their military in 19 days tells me they were defenseless. The fact that they didn't have those WMD that people like you wailed about before the war, then conveniently forgot after it was found they weren't there, tells me they were utterly defenseless.

Iraq, on the day we invaded, was a dirt-poor, poverty-stricken, militarily eviscerated nation. I'm so glad you're proud we beat them into the ground. You can be proud of it-I'm ashamed of it.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 2):
Well, you know why Powell is out and she is in - you don't survive in the Bush administration if you don't "tow the line" to the letter.

Exactly why I think Colin Powell has more integrity than most other politicians combined. He wasn't afraid to call the ball and raise the  redflag  when necessary. Replacing him with Condi Rice was/is a serious error.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
"what an asshole", with the kids in the room-and quickly got reprimanded, and rightly so, by my wife.

He He He  rotfl  I'd like to have seen that my friend . . .

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
"This war came to us, not the other way around",

I don't think - I hope - Condi is referring to simply the Iraq War. Rather, I believe her context was the War on Terror . . . that's the way I understood it. In that light, I would agree with her, this War on Terror was brought to us on 9/11. In reality, before that, this cuntry and it's previous leadership was simply not concerned in that nothing had blown up yet. The NIMBY syndrome.

If she is referring solely to the conflict in Iraq, I believe she's full of shit.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 8):
With the best intel in the world, or close to it, we got it wrong. We went to war based on bad intel, though they now claim it was more than WMDs, but I don't remember anything more than WMDs at the time.

The intel was dead wrong. But I would remind my fellow A-Netters, that nearly everyone - Repub, Democrat and Independent - agreed it was accurate. Let's not forget this FACT and continue to assume the only person to blame is Bush. Personally, I think his entire Intel Staff shuold have been fired. His CIA Director should have been canned. Rumsfeld and his cronies should have been gone long ago. While Bush will shoulder the blame for wht ever successes and failures come of this, as he should since he is PotUS, there were others involved in the playbook that will go away quietly into the sunset.

Quoting KC135R (Reply 8):
So what happens now? Do you say, sorry - we got it wrong. No, it's too late now and we look like idiots.

As it's been said before KC, what happens now is, we must stay the course and finish the job. As you say, it's too late now. NO, we do NOT look like idiots - we look like war mongers . . . there is a difference. While I don't pretend to think we shouldn't be there, I will say one of the first conversations I had with a friend of mine here at work (also a retired Army CSM) the say we entered Iraq was "Shit, Larry, I hope there are WMD because if there isn't we're gonna look like fools". Personally, I wouldn't have rolled in quite so quickly. NO . . before anyone suggest it, I would NOT ahve waited on the UN to give a nod  yes  . . . that organization is more crooked than our own government and generally useless and outmoded.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
Only people living in a September 10th mentality would consider it to be a lie or else they are simply incapable of understanding what she actually means.

I'd pretty much agree, B757300, as I mention to Falcon - it's the War on Terror she was referring to - not simply the Iraq war.

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 10):
I have figured out that they still will post no matter what we say.

Agreed. Although some are more moderate in their hatred of anything Bush and open to discussion, others simply rant on and on.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 7):
It's funny, if President Bush had launched a war into Afghanistan before September 11th in order to destroy Al-Qaeda, the U.S. left and Europe would have been screaming about it just like they are now about Iraq.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
To me, we should not attack unless attacked, as is our tradition.

Unfortunately, I think "pre-emptive" strikes are necessary. Had we hit Afghanistan pre-9/11, perhaps the WTC would still be standing, there wouldn't be a hole in a Pennsylvania field, and the Arlington side of the Pentagon wouldn't have been remodeled so quickly. Purely conjecture. But perhaps if intel obtained in the late 1990s about OBL and Al-Queda had been acted upon rather than sat upon, things would be entirely different.

Again, conjecture. Hind Sight is 20/20 . . .

Still - back to topic - Condi Rice is the wrong person for SecState. I don't care how many PhDs she has, there is no replacement for field experience. Loyalty is one thing, blind, ignorant loyalty is quite another.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Actually, that's incorrect.

Wasn't a claim, just rhetoric for the sake of the joke  Wink


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 16):
Not really. We have repeatedly proved you wrong, yet you won't hear anything of it. I'm just getting tired of repeating myself every time. And I wouldn't call Sadaam's Iraq a "defenseless nation".

Yeah because after 10+ years of flying over that country every day, and blowing stuff up from time to time, they were a real threat. However, I agree the world is a better place without Saddam - but it is not our right to decide that someone who did not attack us must go. What if any country who does not like Bush (and there's no shortage) decides to attack us? Would that be ok as long as they pointed out we have WMDs - which, of course, we do - but what if we didn't and they said we did, would it still be ok? They could always say later "but we thought they had them."


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
I don't think - I hope - Condi is referring to simply the Iraq War. Rather, I believe her context was the War on Terror .

Had she said that in Afghanistan, my friend, I'd agree, but she said it in Iraq, and, in my mind, it was another attempt to cover up the real source of this black mark in our history-the decisions that she helped to foster that led to this war.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Unfortunately, I think "pre-emptive" strikes are necessary.

I don't, because then, like in Iraq, we base the war on assumption that we either cannot prove beforehand, or later, we find out are totally false, as was the case that Iraq was sinking in WMD.

To me, you leave pre-emptive attacks to the Imperial Japans of the world-regimes or cells with no honor, and who place no value on human life. Democracies are supposed to be better than that. Between 1948 and 1990, we railed against the USSR for acting in just such a manner. Now, in this case, we're emulating them. I can't be for that, or proud of that.


25 XJRamper : Putting words in my mouth...typical. Typical. Mostly always...if you doubt that go back and pull examples. And while you are at it, show me where i "
26 Post contains images Jasepl : ROFL! It's hysterical enough that she's saying this. It's even more alarming that people are actually defending her having said it. Ah yes, WMDs. Wha
27 Post contains images Falcon84 : Don't correct it, ANC. It was perfect, talking about Condi!
28 Rsmith6621a : B757300, The president you support sends his thanks for supporting him and his lie once again. When will you admit that the president needed an excus
29 XJRamper : mature...you are how old?
30 Post contains images Jasepl : Hee hee!
31 Falcon84 : Stop being a stick in the mud, and laugh at the irony, or is that beyond you? And people call me "bitter". Get a life, dude.
32 KC135R : I think he left on his own free will, not because he was asked to leave. I suspect he's embarrassed by his association with this administration - but
33 XJRamper : I could see it with Hillary...that would be irony. And bitter? Hehe...I gave you your chances with ammends from me, but you chose to attack it or ign
34 Falcon84 : Therin is the dilemma. Despite my opposition to going to war there, and to the constant lies coming out of the mouths of Bush Administration official
35 Falcon84 : Why would I want to make amends with someone keeping company with B757300, and who thinks this war is some great thing? Don't flatter yourself.
36 XJRamper : Once again putting words in my mouth. Fuckin show me where I said that this war is some great thing. You can't can you? I associate with someone you
37 KC135R : I don't know, it sounds like she was talking about Iraq to me. Though I agree with you if she is referring to the war on terror as a whole. Moreover
38 Allstarflyer : This is all a big reason I don't like politics, and I'm glad to be able to say that living out here near the capital. I read the headlines, but that's
39 KC135R : I agree with you, I don't personally dislike him either. But, you can't give him a pass for his (to use your words, which I like) "current supporting
40 Jetjack74 : He's referring to the fact that the UN aided and abetted Saddam. ANC, XJ, 757, it's futile to keep arguing with these clowns. Most of them, do not re
41 Tbar220 : Well its ok. Condi's little trip to Iraq was greeted with only 38 dead bodies, that aint too bad! 38 is pretty low considering recent events...
42 Post contains images KC135R : So when you call someone "clowns" that is respecting their opinion? Depends on who you are talking about - if someone quotes Al Franken, I wouldn't b
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Falcon, my friend, it's not the pre-emptive attack that was flawed, it was - as it turns out - the reason for it. And comparing us to the USSR and th
44 KC135R : From what I can gather, in things I have read and so forth, GWB is extremely - almost fanatically so - into loyalty. Which is not necessarily bad, bu
45 Jetjack74 : Calling someone a clown is one thing, but calling another a dumbass, idiot is something completely different. Besides, why the heck should I respect
46 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Same shit, different political party. It's all spin - a lot like the threads in Non-Av! You must REALLY enjoy CORULEZ05 then huh . . . he's my favori
47 Post contains images ACDC8 : That must be one of the funniest things I've read all day. I could just picture it. Absolute classic!
48 AsstChiefMark : I wonder what dream world Bush and his good ol' boys are living in. They're all delusional. They're so far removed from the real America that they man
49 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Yeah, they all do, but Limbaugh is informative, and, a big plus, he's often more patient with those that disagree with him (a complete opposite with
50 Post contains images Falcon84 : Two words: horse shit. Temper! Such language would have gotten me banned in a heartbeat. I stand by what I said, friend. If it ruins your life what s
51 ANCFlyer : Well, we disagree again . . . I don't think the concept is flawed. The concept needs work, but it is a righteous concept. But as you say here . . . .
52 Post contains links and images Schoenorama : http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/ 'nough said!
53 Jetjack74 : Question asked, question answered.
54 Post contains images XJRamper : LOL: look above...you should be banned as well. Altho i know you stand for what you believe, you have avoided my question three times...which shows y
55 Clipperhawaii : Yeah that's real nice. Bet you are proud of that glorious moment too. It's obvious that you have some sort of deep seeded problem. You need to lighte
56 Post contains images Falcon84 : I've avoided nothing, friend. I said I stand by what I said. What part of that do you NOT understand? Kiss my grits, dude. As I said, I don't normall
57 TPASXM787 : This is all ridiculous. The war is a sham at this point. The cause was all about WMD, which is a threat. There aren't any. White House spin says that
58 Falcon84 : I don't believe Powell got fired. He had earned the right to stay as long as he wished, but I believe he left because he didn't want to be seen publi
59 XJRamper : Id like to see this quote number get bigger before you answer this. What part of this do you NOT understand? XJR
60 Post contains images Falcon84 : You're obsessed, XJRamper! Again, if you're that thin-skinned, stay away. I see you as a yes-man on this war, and one of the Bush butt-kissers, if you
61 ANCFlyer : Betcha he did . . . Publicly, perhaps. SecState . . . SecDef was a different war . . . and I'm glad he was there then. He's a selfless man, so my bet
62 Falcon84 : My bad. Thanks for the correction.
63 Arrow : Do some reading on this. The previously mentioned Downing street memo is particularly instructive, but also read Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack.
64 DL021 : OK...so I'm starting another company and I'm twice as busy as I was before so I have less time here than I used to.....which means that I miss some of
65 Falcon84 : And so, when we are wrong, Ian, we simply shrug it off, and say "oh well, we'll try not to screw up next time"? I mean, this isn't a classroom game,
66 Toulouse : Interesting thread. Falcon89, I've added you to my respected user's list. It is so wonderful to read posts such as yours from an American. Not sure ho
67 Post contains images Falcon84 : Pssst. Tolouse: it's Falcon84, not Falcon89. And thanks for the kind words.
68 Toulouse : I know, I know! Wow, you're quick. I was just about to edit my post. Sorrrry.
69 Post contains images Falcon84 : Was just finishing up before going to work. It's all cool, don't sweat it.
70 Post contains links and images Schoenorama : It's really very easy, Toulouse. The number in Falcon's name actually refers to the number of times he's been banned from a.net. "...[the] first reas
71 XjrAmper : You know I just wanted a question answered. That too hard? I guess that would count as obsessive? I agreed on the war in Afganistan. Don't agree with
72 Post contains links and images Schoenorama : But Bush Sr's little war wasn't about Iraq, nor was it really about Kuwait. It was about Kuwait's oil. The much-heard excuse that the U.S. is able to
73 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : You? Calling one obsessed? Come now. Actually getting kicked off here would be hell.......for you. Imagine, not being able to post here like you do.
74 Post contains images KC135R : There is no distinction, they must all be taken with a grain of salt. BTW, you want fair and balance, watch CNN and Fox at the same time - otherwise
75 Post contains images Falcon84 : Since it's not going to happen, I'll leave you to your fantasty. But then again, that's the GOP way-get rid of the opposition, and silence them, if w
76 Clipperhawaii : If someone opposes your ideas you instantly label them a right wing lunatic just like "your" liberal buddies. So, I will borrow your quote. Sound fami
77 Falcon84 : You must be related to Yyz717, right? You can't beat me at the issue, so you take one paragraph-which I meant as poking fun at myself-and make person
78 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Naw I just want to see better posts and not the same old thing over and over. Don't be an Indianguy. As far as parenting and swearing when you see Con
79 Falcon84 : You should talk. The same old "the world is good, Bush is great" crap from you, and you dare tell me about over and over? Maybe I say it over and ove
80 Clipperhawaii : What is this "maybe"? Why are you the self appointed judge over all things Bush administration? You seem to be quite the judge too don't you think?
81 Falcon84 : So now you deny my right, as an American, to critisize my government, simply because you kiss it's rear end? Request denied. And that proves my point
82 Erikwilliam : You americans are so so funny. It amazes me how blind some people can be, and then some people like Falcon84 still try make they understand. I´m with
83 Clipperhawaii : Please. I wont even give you a response on that. Care to offer the ratio on what I have said about Bush and the administration compared to what you s
84 United737522 : Geez, that is so moronic to think that. If we wanted oil, we would have taken it by now. Think about it, we have spent trillions on the war for what,
85 Jetjack74 : It's called Michael Mooronism. A course of study.
86 Post contains images Falcon84 : So, I hit the nail on the head. Thanks for proving my point about the "extreme" thing again, CH. Well, then stop ranting and raving, and perhaps more
87 Toulouse : Well said Falcon. Actually Clipperhawaii, apart from Falcons small outbursts and letting his language disintegrate (which I understand if you're coun
88 ANCFlyer : Even more so if you believe it was. You really are delusional aren't you . . . quite amazing any believes this.
89 Toulouse : So, no weapons of mass destruction as promised? What was the purpose of the attack then?
90 ANCFlyer : Let me toss a quote from another A-Netter in here, so I don't waste my time and yours: The French intelligence agancy said Saddam Hussien had WMDs. T
91 Toulouse : ANCFlyer, And may I ask how valid is a quote from another A.Netter (no offence intended to the A.Netter inquestion!)? You yourself say "I'd be right t
92 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Very valid if I concur, and don't want to type the same thing over again. No offense, Toulouse, but your question would be like me asking you - "Gee,
93 Toulouse : Thanks for the reply ANCFlyer. I suppose we could argue for the next decade. You've got your opinions and I've got mine. I respect yours, and I hope y
94 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : I will let these comments speak for themselves.
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