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Newsweek And The Apology. How Big Of Them.  
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Newsweek magazine said on Sunday it erred in a May 9 report that U.S. interrogators desecrated the Koran at Guantanamo Bay, and apologized to the victims of deadly Muslim protests sparked by the article.


"The Holy Koran was defiled by the dirtiest of hands"

Yeah, Newsweek's. They and their editors are now directly responsible for what, over then deaths? All this over a FALSE story. I hope they are proud!

And we all know who the real loser in this is.


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User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Shame 15 people had to die so Isikoff could get his story.

Can't say I am surprised.



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

And how many people had to die because the Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction?

User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 2):
And how many people had to die because the Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction?

Fewer than died under Saddam Hussein. Just two weeks ago they found another of his mass graves.

You don't even deserve a responce to the lying comment.


User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Another example of the lack of ethics in journalism these days. Don't copy editors check any of this crap?

Those folks in Afghanistan should exercise another current trend in the USA, SUE the hell outta Newsweek for "incitement to riot"...



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 2):
And how many people had to die because the Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction?

 redflag  this thread isn't about WMD or anything else, give it a frickin' rest will ya. Contribute something to the thread topic or STFU.

Newsweek, with their irresponsible reporting, caused a world wide fervor amonsgt the Islamic population. Just a further example of lousy, sensationalist journalism whose only interest is getting the story whether it's right or not.


User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 3):
You don't even deserve a responce to the lying comment.

Really? Why is it that I don't deserve a response? And how is my comment a lie?

It's amazing how much moral outrage you can muster against Newsweek. Quite a double standard you have going there.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 6):
Really? Why is it that I don't deserve a response? And how is my comment a lie?

It's amazing how much moral outrage you can muster against Newsweek. Quite a double standard you have going there.

You are joking right? To compare the two is really reaching for the highest branch of pathetic comparisons hanging from a dead tree.

Timberrrrrrrrrrrr!

What is not surprising is the outright silence form those who gloat with glee when this story broke because it put the U.S. in a poor light.

Where are those people now?



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
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Too little, too late. In their quest to besmirch the US and the freedom they feel to attack our efforts in this war the left leaning journalists who wrote, edited and published this article managed to give the radicals an excuse to riot and murder. I blame the journalists for shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater. There is a responsibility borne by the free press, and these asses forgot about that.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 2):
And how many people had to die because the Administration lied about weapons of mass destruction?

Well, I was going to respond to that, but these two did ok...I'll echo their responses for further emphasis.

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 3):
Fewer than died under Saddam Hussein. Just two weeks ago they found another of his mass graves.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
redflag this thread isn't about WMD or anything else, give it a frickin' rest will ya. Contribute something to the thread topic or STFU.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
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Recently heard in Newsweek's H.R. department:

"What the....who the HELL hired Jayson Blair?!?"



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
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An apology? Too late, the damage has already been done.


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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
or STFU.

"STFU", eh? Wow, you really know how to show off your debating prowess!

Looks like I struck a nerve. You might want to ask yourself why my comments have pushed your buttons so.

A large organization lies and many people die because of it. Hmmm, perhaps a parallel?

Where was your moral outrage when you found out that the Administration lied about WMD?


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

The issue here is if Newsweek made an honest mistake or they reported based on a real or apparent bias against the current administration. Anyway, today Fox News had a bashing fest over the issue and they sort of accused them of reporting out of a liberal bias.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 11):
"STFU", eh? Wow, you really know how to show off your debating prowess!

Nothing to debate with you. I worded my post at a level I thought you could understand since you had nothing to say on the thread subject. Get over yourself.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 11):
Where was your moral outrage when you found out that the Administration lied about WMD?

Obviously you haven't read my previous posts on that subject. In that light, perhaps if you did some research it would clear your mind and you'd find my position on it. You're an Info Mgmt guru, should be easy for you.

On topic: I just watched an interview on NBC news with the Editor of Newsweek. I was rather taken aback by his apparent lack of ownership of this issue. While he did acknowledge that Newsweek should shoulder some responsibility, he did not outright accept blame for the unnecessary deaths and violence this article caused.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the norm in mainstream media these days.

[Edited 2005-05-17 04:16:19]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
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Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 11):

Where was your moral outrage when you found out that the Administration lied about WMD?

You choose to call incorrect information a lie as it suits your political desires. That makes you no better than the self serving assmonkeys who put this article in the public eye and helped ignite a powderkeg.....and this will cost US lives

Believe that.

Everytime someone like you comes up with another reason to hate the US, you encourage the tangos and help them recruit. You are free to do it, but you are also responsible for your actions. Why don't you find something legitimate to say instead of repeating impossible to prove crap.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
On topic: I just watched an interview on NBC news with the Editor of Newsweek. I was rather taken aback by his apparent lack of ownership of this issue. While he did acknowledge that Newsweek should shoulder some responsibility, he did not outright accept blame for the unnecessary deaths and violence this article caus

Well, of course he isn't responsible for the damage.......just like the people that make superviolent video games aren't responsible for desensitizing children to violence. Just like the people who glorify pot smoking aren't responsible in any way for getting teenagers to try it. Just like public figures who smoke aren't responsible for kids who emulate them and smoke as well. Just like the parents of vandalous children aren't responsible for the actions of their little angels who grew up being babysat by dopesmoking teenagers who let them play superviolent video games and bought them cigarettes.

Its always someone elses fault.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 6):
Really? Why is it that I don't deserve a response? And how is my comment a lie?

It's amazing how much moral outrage you can muster against Newsweek. Quite a double standard you have going there.

The "Lying comment" in question was yours in reference to the administration.

The reason it dosen't deserve comment is because I don't think you want or would believe an explaination, and I'm not in the habit of wasting my time explaining the differece between "lying" and "not knowing information was wrong."

Additionly, I made no comment about Newsweek. You should read posts more carefully before you vent your "moral outrage."

If you want my opinion on the matter, I do see this as another in a series of jounalistic fabrications when facts don't mesh with the journalists world view. I'm not outraged because I'm not surprised. I've been reading mainstream media with a healthy dose of skeptism for 15 years now.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Guys there's a reason that Newsweek is up with the rest of the supermarket tabloids.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Interesting articles on this from the Newsweek side.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857407/site/newsweek/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7857154/site/newsweek/


Newsweek is not apologizing for any errors, but rather apologizing for what happened as a result of the story being published. Sounds to me like Newsweek went touchy touchy on some government officials, they went squeamish, Newsweek ran it, people went apeshit, the government thought it would be easy to blame Newsweek for it rather than take another blow for a fuck up. Sounds feasible, so I'm anxious to see what develops in the coming weeks following this.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 4):
Don't copy editors check any of this crap?

At a publication like Newsweek, not their responsibility.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

OK let me say this again:

Newsweek is a tabloid!


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

Let's put it this way:

IF the story proves out to be true, then the US Government just stepped into a world of shit and they deserve all the bashing they get from it, however,

IF Newsweek took an anecdotal story and ran with it as hard-based fact, then they should be held liable for negligent homicide / manslaughter. If subsequent investigation proves this to be merely anecdotal heresay, then by Newsweek's running of this story as factual, they have committed 15-16 counts of manslaughter (not to mention how many more cases of kidnapping, etc, because of the outrage over this story by religious zealots).

I'd be interested to see what, if anything, idiot talking heads like the Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson types have to say about this (probably nothing much of any importance to anyone with more than half a brain).

All I'm saying is, rather than jumping to conclusions, like what happened after this "story" broke, maybe we should all wait for the smoke to clear and see how much truth there really is to this "story" before bashing everything from Mom's Apple Pie to GWB's mother (for having him to begin with).

(Note to self: Don't count on many people on this board being mature enough to actually look at, and weigh, the facts by themselves without bringing in all the associated baggage.)

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

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User currently offlineNUair From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 19):
IF Newsweek took an anecdotal story and ran with it as hard-based fact, then they should be held liable for negligent homicide / manslaughter. If subsequent investigation proves this to be merely anecdotal heresay, then by Newsweek's running of this story as factual, they have committed 15-16 counts of manslaughter (not to mention how many more cases of kidnapping, etc, because of the outrage over this story by religious zealots).

I'm sorry but why should Newsweek be held accountable for anything? I'm still lost at why a Muslim would read a story about the Koran being flushed down a toilet and go out and kill other Muslims... something just seems completely out of wack here. When I saw Arabs burning American flags on Al Jeezer (sp?) I didn't go out on the street and kill a bunch of my fellow Americans. Newsweek didn't kill anyone some crazy religious zealots did. And since when did religious zealots start believing everything the US media says?

I hate Newsweek but I have to take their side on this one. If they want to blow what's left of their already defunct reputation good for them but don't hold them accountable for the crazy actions of others.

People need to learn to take the media with a grain of salt, god knows we don't hold them up to any ethical standards so why would we expect them to act ethically? They are in business to make money like anyone else and they live off controversy like this. If you want gov't control on media I heard Saudi Arabia and Cuba are nice places to live.



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User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Sorry, but I still believe in Newsweeks's first report.
We all know how governments can preasure "independent" newspapers.
Bush admin f.e. informed Qatari government to tell Al Jazeera to be friendly to the USA and "asked" for a more positive report.
The Qatari government denied - they had to inform the US admin, what "freedom of the press" means. So I am sure, that a request from US admin also arrived at Newsweek.



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User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Yeah...I am sure #12 is spot on.

:rollingeyes:

Quoting NUair (Reply 21):
I'm still lost at why a Muslim would read a story about the Koran being flushed down a toilet and go out and kill other Muslims... something just seems completely out of wack here.



Quoting NUair (Reply 21):
crazy actions

Ding ding ding.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

The people that haven't gotten it yet will never get it. People who take religion FAR more seriously then we westerners do died because they trusted one of the few news sources that could offer an insight as to what was going on in Gitmo. Because of editorial arrogance.

I just hope that this example makes the J-school textbooks as an example of the consequences of poor ethical decison making in journalism.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
25 Post contains images NUair : This Just In!!! The Onion published a list of the new agenda for the Iraqi gov't (and looking at the picture it must be from a credible source). Maybe
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : There's a surprise. I would agree. It makes no sense to me . . .
27 LHMARK : It doesn't really matter if it makes sense to us. People are dead because of this story. That's why editors and reporters have to think the shit throu
28 NUair : Nobody died because of the story people died because of extremists. I read the story and I would really love to know where in the story it would lead
29 LTBEWR : The worst problem with this story is that it is plausable in the context of the well documented issues of the Bush administration's policies, status,
30 Texdravid : Isn't it amazing that the same people who accuse Bush of every bad act known to man, who don't give him ONE iota of credit in any sphere of public pol
31 Flybyguy : Another reason why selfish... far left leaning news media will one day face the consequences of their imprudent profiteering. Yeah, is that so? I thi
32 Leskova : It's not one iota more surprising that those who believe the US-Administration's ever changing reasoning, whatever the current version may be, for th
33 MBMBOS : ...and yet it still amazes me of the outrage that this Newsweek story has generated. How many of you got this upset when you found out the the Adminis
34 Post contains links 777236ER : Wait a minute. From John Simpson: The pressure was on Newsweek to retract its report. The magazine checked with its source - a senior US official - wh
35 Clipperhawaii : Very wrong. So wrong they retract the whole story and apologize. What don't you get about that??????????? Subscription cancelled.
36 777236ER : Did you even read the quote from John Simpson?
37 STLGph : they hijack our planes. they try to blow up our buildings and embassies. they cut off heads of our humanitarian workers. they burn our flags. and we'r
38 NUair : Wow an American siding with the extremists and opposed to Freedom of the Press. You rock!! The beautiful thing about this country (and the thing you
39 United737522 : Quit dragging your Bush bashing crap into a thread completely unrelated to the subject at hand. The media is a joke these days, it is not about facts
40 MBMBOS : So, I take it, you aren't able to explain this double standard?
41 Clipperhawaii : From Newsweek -- "But we regret that we got any part of our story wrong, and extend our sympathies to victims of the violence and to the U.S. soldiers
42 Pope : Am I the only one who thinks that they only people who are really owed an apology are the only ones we haven't heard from - the brave men and women st
43 LHMARK : Good angle, Pope. You just shed some light on how the story affected everyone involved in the Afghanistan thing, regardless of religion or side.
44 STLGph : yeah, too bad you left out the rest of it, which, pretty much reads (if you read the rest of the article), the government is backing out of everything
45 DL021 : Great point. Those folks have been on the receiving end of crap from groups who want them to be monsters and portray them as such in order to further
46 AeroWesty : Clipper, I'm not sure what part of this apology you're not understanding. They aren't apologizing for reporting what they, at the time, believed to b
47 Pope : My point is that the only ones really harmed by this are the ones whose reputation has been damaged. The boys in Washington know that when they get in
48 UALPHLCS : There is no double standard. I'll try to explain this even though I know you don't care and won't accept the answer and made up your mind about this
49 777236ER : In fairness, the ones really harmed by this were the people who died as a result. This despite our intelligence agencies urging caution.
50 ClipperHawaii : All the more reason to be outraged by this Newsweek work of fiction. Where's the outrage? Oh right...it makes the U.S. not as bad as what was reporte
51 AeroWesty : Again, where's your evidence that Newsweek intentionally ran this story merely to stir up violence in Muslim countries, and further destabilize Iraq?
52 UALPHLCS : The problem isn't that Newsweek intentionally ran with an uncorraorabted story witht he intention of causeing harm to Muslims or to destabilize Musli
53 AeroWesty : Wow, that whole message takes a lot of leaps of faith there. You've just condemned an entire publishing empire as unpatriotic--which inherently means
54 STLGph : because, Aerowesty, they are blinded by the light...thanks to their lack of a formal education which creates a thought adaption and application proce
55 Flybyguy : Who the HELL said I supported extremists? The fact is that because of Newsweek, 15 people are dead. It seems nowadays journalists who try to float at
56 Jetjack74 : They didn't run the story to intentionally start unrest in the muslim world, but their irresponsible actions were a factor in the weekend riots. The
57 NUair : I'm not a fan of Newsweek by any means and in my ideal America people would watch the BBC and PBS and read Le Figaro or the Detroit Free Press. But th
58 AeroWesty : OK, let's take this a bit further. How did word of the Newsweek article spread throughout the Arab world? Answer: Al-Jazeera How come no one's laying
59 Clipperhawaii : Why? They ran a story that they failed to fully check before they published it. They had a zeal to get it out at all costs. Well, look at the cost. L
60 Post contains links Greyhound : You might find this article interesting... a columnist's view on how Newsweek tarnished journalists as a whole with its article... http://www.seattle
61 Clipperhawaii : Great article! Love this..."Newsweek is retracting its "confirmed story," blaming American interrogators at Guantanamo Bay for flushing a Quran down t
62 AeroWesty : I'll look into some of the things you brought up for my own edification, and get back to you on what I've found. I have an open mind. I'm assuming th
63 UALPHLCS : Did they intentionally run the article? Ah yes they printed it. I was a Jounalism major long enough to know that articles go through the editing and
64 Post contains images Solnabo : To make a story short about the trash pack running US Govt, they´ll go down shameful as Nixon did, if not more, period! Micke//SE
65 MD-90 : On a per capita/over time basis, no, I'd say that Iraqis are dying at a greater rate than at any time under Saddam's rule, excepting the Iran-Iraq wa
66 AeroWesty : My point was did they intentionally lie to kill Muslims and members of the U.S. armed forces, as has been stated by other posters. And you knew that.
67 UALPHLCS : Ok so on a per/capita over time basis, more Iraqi will die of old age. On a per capita over time basis Hilter wasn't as bad as Stalin we should have
68 MD-90 : Pick any two year period in the last two or three decades, and compare the number of people Saddam killed to the number that have apparently died in
69 Toulouse : ?????? Yes. Unfortunately there are no really official statistics. Last year the Washington Post claimed that more than 100.000 Iraqui civilians had
70 UALPHLCS : What's so confusing? Saddam was a threat to his neighbors and to the stability of the region. The UN beleived that before the US invasion. France and
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