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Pregnant Girl Defies Graduation Ban  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Girl has guts.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/05/19/pregnant.student.ap/index.htm

A few things. The Catholic Church claims to be "pro-life", but then bans this girl, even though she obviously shouldn't have gotten pregnant. But the Church acts embarrassed by such things.

Second, why was she banned, when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well. And the Church wonders why women think they're treated unfairly inside the confines of the Church?

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User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I don't understand why they wouldn't let her graduate. Even if one disagrees with premarital sex, you still have to admire someone who will still stick it out and work towards graduation.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well.

That's just too far beyond screwed up. Sends a very bad message to women from the Catholic church.



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Thanks for posting this story, Falcon. The link is missing an "l" at the end:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/05/19/pregnant.student.ap/index.html

Great story. It has all the elements I like. A hypocritical church, a gutsy real-life person who stands up for her rights, and police escorting her and her family from church. Unbelievable. They needed a police escort FROM CHURCH. crazy 

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Second, why was she banned, when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well.

You forget, Falcon. The church is run by hypocrites. duck 

Logan


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

You're right, if they were absolutely sure who the father was, he should not have been allowed to participate in graduation.

BTW, that link doesn't seem to work, so if anyone wants to view:

Go to http://www.cnn.com/education ... currently it's a link under "MORE NEWS" on the upper right hand side of the page.


redngold



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17545 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

"Second, why was she banned, when the father of the child was ALLOWED to graduate, and wasn't punished as well. And the Church wonders why women think they're treated unfairly inside the confines of the Church?
"

Do you expect anything better from the Catholic Church? I'm not surprised at all...and I'm so glad I never went through Confirmation.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Good for her! I find this policy of kicking pregnant teenagers out of school stupid anyway. IMO they should get help with e.g. daycare, so that they can finish school and get a job. This will prevent them much more from becoming a liability to the social welfare system than denying them professional education.
I know of a case within my circle of friends, where a then 15 year old girl got pregnant. Both her family as well as the school helped (her mother and an aunt with babysitting and money), so that she could finish and graduate and then do an apprenticeship.
Also I agree in holding the father rsponsible as well. Ok, he should be able to graduate as well, but the moment he has a profession and earns money, he´s got to pay for his child. I also think that while he doesn´t earn money yet (due to going to school) the child support he is supposed to pay should come from the government, but once he earns money, he will have to pay it back.
(I had a similar agreement with the German government during my adult´s apprenticeship as aircraft mechanic. For the duration of the apprenticeship the government paid my ex-wife, but once I started earning money, I paid it all back. This way the government actually saved money, since instead of an unqualified unemployed living of welfare, to who´s child support the government would have had to supplement, it enabled me to get a qualified job, where I´m not just able to support my daughter fully, but I also contribute to the social security system by paying my dues into it).

Jan


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

What a surprise, another thread bashing the Catholic Church. In the surrealist world of Non Av, any post slightly critical of the gay agenda or other liberal causes is a capital offense. Yet, malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome.

As far as the article goes, this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons." For sure, we don't really know what happened with this girl, but here all seem ready to blame the Church. Hate at its best.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5399 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
Hate at its best.

No, hypocrisy at its best - again, why wasn't the father similarly banned from the graduation exercises?



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17545 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

"malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome. "

I'm not partial; Catholicism, Judaism, Islam, Branch Davidianism, Hale-Bop Comet-ism...they're all different manifestations of the same thing and they're all f*#ed up. More importantly, I don't accord any one of them more respect than the other.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons."

Safety for/from what? Pregnant girls have marched before... Seems more like safety from getting the image of the Catholic church tarnished. I mean, gosh, they have a pregnant girl in their school? Someone's going to hell for sure for that one.  Yeah sure



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

Did anybody notice this? I find that very bizzare.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Good for her! Nothing better than the church getting shown up for being a** holes!!

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

I wonder how sexy she looked in the Catholic school girl uniform knocked up and all.



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User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 10):
But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

Did anybody notice this? I find that very bizzare.

They were on the Department of Homeland Security's "No Graduate List".



29th, Let's Go!
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

This is a private school and they can have their own rules as obnoxious as they are. They were not denying her H.S. degree but making her pay 'pennance' for her 'sin' of getting pregant. I would assume that this ceremony would have included a full mass and was required for her to take communion. However, while she commited a sin of Adultury in effect, she could have gone to communion - something between her and God and not requied to publicly state she did - and therefore been eligable to participate fully in the ceremony/mass.
What would have they done if they found out she got an abortion. Probably refered her to the local bishop for excommunication. The guy also 'sinned' and if he is publicly acknowleged as the father, then they should have excluded him and his family if they excluded her.
And they wonder why so many Catholics are disgusted with their Church.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17545 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

"I wonder how sexy she looked in the Catholic school girl uniform knocked up and all."

Probably a lot like Britney Spears.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

A Former friend of mine got his girlfriend (at the time) pregnant, and then broke up with her... at this time, him and his mom were living with the girl and her mom, mooching off of them... Well, When he found out she was pregnant, him and his mom packed what shit they had, and moved to florida... COWARD!!!!

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 6):
What a surprise, another thread bashing the Catholic Church. In the surrealist world of Non Av, any post slightly critical of the gay agenda or other liberal causes is a capital offense. Yet, malicious posts against the Church are more than welcome.

As far as the article goes, this brave girl was banned for "safety reasons." For sure, we don't really know what happened with this girl, but here all seem ready to blame the Church. Hate at its best.

Malicious posts against Catholics, Protestants, or Jews are more than welcome. Don't diss other religions (especially Islam) or you'll be flamed without mercy.

Since it is a private school they have the right to ban anyone they wish from attending school functions. No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

from their web-site.


http://www.saintjudeschool.com/academics.aspx


Non-discriminatory Policy
St. Jude admits students of any race, sex, national origin, age (in accordance with state law), religion, and special conditions (if, with reasonable accommodations, the school can provide appropriate educational services) to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made available to students at the school.


feeling mad at the world and want to take it out on southern catholics?

334.263.6121



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 17):
No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.



There goes B757300 again. I'm pretty sure he won't be back, as he endorses a hit and run concept in threads where he makes ridiculous comments.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Don�t think this would work in a German private Roman-Catholic school. The Catholic layety would be up against the administration within hours (German Catholics have a rebellious reputation, especially on topics like birth control, celebacy and abortion).

Jan


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 17):
No one would be complaining if it was a school for atheists who banned a student because they became a Christian or a school for homosexuals who banned a student because they were no longer going to live the homosexual lifestyle.



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 19):
There goes B757300 again. I'm pretty sure he won't be back, as he endorses a hit and run concept in threads where he makes ridiculous comments.

no no, i agree with him entirely. because see the atheists and the homos know truly that once you're in...you're always in. just like the former New Jersey governor. you volunteer for a beer run during rush week....



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Bullshit Flag  redflag 

She's pregnant, and shouldn't be of course, but she met the prescribed objective for graduation.

And talk about hypocritical . . . letting the Father graduate . . .

In case the Catholic Church has forgotten - it takes TWO . . . the young lady didn't get pregnant by osmosis.


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
the young lady didn't get pregnant by osmosis

Maybe it was an "Immaculate Conception." rotfl 

Logan


User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

While I'm not religious, I am willing to acknowledge the rights of private schools to have policies that reflect the values of the school.

For example, while I don't agree with the policy, I can accept that a Catholic school can kick a student out of school for getting pregnant and/or getting someone pregnant. What I don't accept is the hypocrisy of it. The policies and rules need to be administered uniformly and fairly. I can't fathom why the father was allowed to participate in the graduation. Is the church/school actually saying that the girl's crime was "looking pregnant?" There was a thread a few weeks ago about a teacher that was kicked out as well for being pregnant before she got married, and in that situation the rules were applied fairly. The rules should apply to administrators, teacher, and students (both boys and girls.)



I'm just happy that RR ratings can't be in negative numbers!
25 Redngold : If you actually read the original post, and my response, you'd see that the initial outrage was at banning her and not the father... not the Church.
26 SATX : Wow, talk about your extreme exaggerations. Do you really believe the things that you write? Maybe this forum seems liberal compared to your own hard
27 Sacflyer : That was a weak, weak argument. So since every lady you know has been tormented by a mean girl that no girls should be allowed to participate in grad
28 Logan22L : I know what you mean. I think Redngold just pushed women's rights back about 40 years. Logan
29 Post contains images Redngold : Sacflyer & Logan, What the h*ll are you talking about? I'm talking about real life issues. I'm talking about real sensitivity. I have absolutely no id
30 PacificWestern : This is all very exciting!!! Is she perhaps carrying the antichrist and the graduation was the time and place of it's birth. Boom....fallen teenager
31 Nancy : I graduated from a Catholic high school and the rule was that if you were visibly pregnant you couldn't take part in graduation activities. So if you
32 Logan22L : Is what I'm talking about. You are stating that men can take it and women cannot. Last I checked, that wasn't a philosophy of the women's rights move
33 Lutenist : Perhaps it's unsafe to have an errant soul wandering among other members of the flock. Others might stray from the path of virtuousness. Amen.
34 Redngold : Logan, If you want to argue about gender differences in bullying, there's a different place to do that. I'm only trying to figure out possibilities, n
35 Post contains images Logan22L : It most certainly does, because any agenda suffers from the "give 'em an inch, they'll take a mile" philosophy. I'm not saying that I believe that wo
36 Redngold : If you want to misinterpret my comments, then start another thread. *sigh*
37 Falcon84 : Stow it dude. Your right-wing whining is getting boring. I'm not attacking the Church on a broadside, dude, but this is patently unfair. The Church b
38 Post contains images Logan22L : I'll let it go, Redngold. Logan
39 Aa757first : One of the very, very nice things about Catholic (and other private schools) is that they can say or do almost anything they want and not have to worr
40 Post contains images Pilotsmoe : I think what this school did was retarted. They kick a pregnant woman out? My mom didn't get kicked out of catholic school when she got pregnant with
41 Falcon84 : Right. Telling a young girl, just before graduation, that she won't be allowed to attend, after spending 4 years with her classmates, and won't even
42 ANCFlyer : Talk about hypocritical . . .reminds me of that Southern Baptist former Mother In Law of mine . . . I'd never seen a more hypocritical religious grou
43 Aa757first : Oh, you can get an education. Just not at that school. Go to the public high school. Let's say I go to a Mormon school and I refuse the mission I am
44 Falcon84 : I'd like to tell you where to stick your arrogant, prissy attitude, but I've been banned enough lately. She should be allowed to graduate with her cl
45 JpetekYXMD80 : WHOA NOW!! I must crack down here on the bullshit-o-meter. I was once in a similar position myself- as a fetus. This girl could have just got an abor
46 Post contains images Aa757first : Big deal. You don't get any recognition at all for not being a murderer. This girl no longer fit the educational requirements as set by her school. I
47 SFOMEX : Just to give some context on this matter. As you could read on my profile, I'm a High School teacher in a Catholic school. Last year we faced a really
48 Falcon84 : Yes, and you can't be said to have respect for life, can you? This girl obviously does. She could have taken an easy, LEGAL way out by terminating th
49 Aa757first : It did. If you are pregnant, you will face repercussions at that school. Easy as that. Let's say I go to a Mormon school and I refuse the mission I a
50 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh give me a break. You act like Catholic High Schools are friggen monasteries. The only reason she got it is because there is visual evidence of sin
51 Falcon84 : Nothing to do with the 3 R's, does it? It has to do with a stuck-up, prudish, non-supportive attitude that belies the Catholic Church's stance on bei
52 Aa757first : But you do have to hold and respect Catholic values. I can be atheist and hold Catholic values, can't I? Oh, yes it does. The girl was also supposed
53 JpetekYXMD80 : A hell of a lotta worse kids than I could venture to say about this girl.
54 Falcon84 : ROTFL. When does getting pregnant have anything to do with reading, writing and arithmitic? What a naive statement!! A prude, who puts more value on
55 JpetekYXMD80 : I'll add to the list. Lots of hypocrites.
56 LambertSTL777 : Why are you guys arguing with a 13 year old? He doesn't seem to realise how things really are in life.. I went to a Catholic grade school, and had tea
57 Aa757first : Nothing. It does, however, have a lot to do with the overall education that a Catholic school is supposed to provide. Why do people send their childr
58 JpetekYXMD80 : We heard you the first time. We heard you the second time. We heard you the third time. A mission would obviously be part of the curriculum and outli
59 Falcon84 : I see the Church is definitely bringing them up more militant thse days. Do you happen to know another former Anet member named Libturdslayer, by the
60 CORULEZ05 : Well, I couldn't read the article because the link isn't working for me but I have read over the posts and I can get an idea of what is going on. I th
61 PacificWestern : And you do not seem to fit the requirements of a human being possessing a heart or a soul. Should we insist that you be expelled from this Earth?? Oh
62 StarAC17 : I have to second that because the 2 closest catholic school to me are the same.
63 Flybyguy : Good Grief, Bash after bash after bash... one thing goes wrong with the Church and everyone on this site is ready to round up every Catholic and roast
64 Falcon84 : And they don't at Catholic schools? ROTFL. You never went to a Catholic school if you think they're that simon pure. So, the Church's stand on sancti
65 ANCFlyer : Perhaps, SFOMEX, you could give lessons on humanity to this other school. I think the way your school handled it was excellent . . .
66 Flybyguy : If you took the time to read the rest of my post my position would have been clear... She should be disciplined, but now that she is going to be a mo
67 Aerorobnz : Well because she'll make all the girls pregnant if she gets within a metre of another girl......everybody knows that once you get one girl pregnant,
68 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Baradene Jokes. I know what you mean, I went to one in AKL and was far from perfect, but saying that, it was not as bad as some make it out to be
69 Post contains links Airlinelover : Gee.. This story reminds me of another thread from not too long ago.. Pregnant teacher fired due to being pregnant before marriage.. http://www.airlin
70 MD11Engineer : I´ll tell you one thing. If this would ever happen to my Catholic teenage daughter living in the US, you can bet that I´d be over there within a day
71 Falcon84 : I don't think you can sue them, MD, to be honest, because it's a private organization. But I agree with the sentiment.
72 MD11Engineer : Falcon, I would get myself a good attorney and let him scrutinise the tution contracts and any other paperwork. The moment he finds a loophole, I will
73 Falcon84 : Getting an attorney would be a good move, I think. But I wouldn't like to add to useless litigation. Now, had she been denied her diploma, that might
74 Greyhound : Not a very good example, considering in the LDS church missions are NOT required. Encouraged yes, but not required, as not everyone is destined for t
75 Sacflyer : It's amazing to me that you have completely and rationally justified this girl being excluded from graduation by nothing other than your imagination.
76 Post contains images Logan22L : Interesting choice of words, Falcon. Logan
77 TWISTEDWHISPER : Maybe because she had the belly and he didn't? Why can't you sue a private organization? It's done every day: Hospitals, Mac Donalds, car manufacture
78 Falcon84 : Yes, but he has the dick that helped get her belly in the condition. What a sexist statement that was, man.
79 MD11Engineer : Falcon, I think that Twistedwisper´s statement was meant in a sarcastic way. BTW, I think if some decision like this was being made by the administra
80 Aa757first : We heard you the first time. We heard you the second time. We heard you the third time. I'm sure Falcon84 heard me. He just didn't respond. A mission
81 JpetekYXMD80 : Maybe Falcon is not a self proclaimed expert on the policies of Mormon schools like yourself, and didn't want to respond to something he was not fami
82 Logan22L : I certainly hope that's my disturbing thought for the day. Period 1: Hypocrisy 101 Period 2: Stuffing our beliefs into other people's minds Period 3:
83 Post contains links and images Aa757first : First of all, cheap shot. Second of all, here is a good example. http://www.beliefnet.com/story/29/story_2921_1.html Now, I'm sure people have been e
84 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Two classes on hypocrisy? Good stuff, although, unfortunately, among some, it's very true. Shove period 6 into that category, too. Period 3 sounds li
85 Airlinelover : People send their children to Catholic schools to have Catholic values enforced upon them. What a load of utter bullshit. I know plenty of people who
86 JpetekYXMD80 : Yep, especeially in cities with a dismal public school system. In these cases, Catholic schools become a top option, and not becuse they want 'Cathol
87 Post contains images SSTjumbo : CNN - Page Not Found... About this case, throw Catholic doctorine aside (BTW, I'm a proud Catholic and very tolerant of other peaceful religions [keyw
88 SATX : IIRC, right after September 11th, 99% of the world DID NOT HATE AMERICA. In fact, most countries seemed to be in full support of our actions through
89 Aa757first : Hello? I already said you don't have to be Catholic to embrace Catholic values. Catholic values are very basic morals, such as not getting pregnant b
90 Falcon84 : Nothing to respond to. And I make it a point that after I finally figure out someone is a little kid, I'm really not going to respond at all.
91 L-188 : You have got to admire this girls spunk. You know she isn't going to have any problems paying for college after this. I could see the church banning h
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