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Is There Any Hope For Humanity?  
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

I see the news, see what's going on around the world, and I really get down and think there's very little hope for humanity. Are we doomed? Have we gone beyond the point of no return or is there still hope to save humanity as we know it now?

- We have people killing in the name of religion.
- We are destroying our environment.
- We're using up all of our valuable resources at a rate that they cannot be replaced.
- We discriminate against other people just because they're different
- We are no longer open minded, insisting that our "truth" is the only way.
- We fight wars over simple divisions, killing thousands

I get so frustrated. I see countries fighting wars over resources. I see genocide happening in Darfur. I see chaos with people dying in Iraq. The world is running out of fossil fuels. We're running out of sources of fresh water. Top soils are being depleted. The atmosphere is increasingly more polluted. Science is being questioned in the name of religion. We spend more than half our budget on weapons of death and destruction. People are broke, people are starving, people are dying of plagues and diseases. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. I can go on and on and on.

Is there any hope? Are we going down a very, very slippery slope?


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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
- We have people killing in the name of religion.



Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
- We discriminate against other people just because they're different
- We are no longer open minded, insisting that our "truth" is the only way.
- We fight wars over simple divisions, killing thousands

These have been happening since the beginning of mankind

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
- We are destroying our environment.
- We're using up all of our valuable resources at a rate that they cannot be replaced.

Hopefully with more efficient cleaner energy sources we can help solve some of the pollution problem and make better use of our natural resources.
I wouldn't right us off yet


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting NorCal (Reply 1):
These have been happening since the beginning of mankind

I agree, and I'd hope that with our more "advanced" societies and better understanding of our past that we could avoid it.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
- We have people killing in the name of religion.

Interesting thing about religion, for all the good it should (and does for many) bring to mankind - it has historically been used to justify a lot of killing also. You need look no further than the crusades, this is nothing new - there will always be some people who pervert religion to justify hate, killing, intolerance, and discrimination.

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
Is there any hope? Are we going down a very, very slippery slope?

There's always hope!  Smile IMO, things in this country are bad right now, but that will change in time. As for the rest of the world, there will always be wars as long as there is money, resources, religions, ____(fill in the blank) to fight over. The environment is actually doing better than previously thought. - the hole in the ozone layer isn't what they thought it would be. I just heard that China, despite growing rapidly, is not doing near the damage to the environment we have been led to believe. Global warming is debatable at best - probably a crock of crap, IMO. Things will get better, this country is just in a negative period right now - all the bitter partisan bickering, the attempts to insert religion into our government, the black eye we have in the world for our actions in Iraq, etc, etc...

Perhaps with a new president, with a D or R behind their name, I don't care just as long as it's not a Bush - and things will look up here too.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

KC,

Its not just our country, its all the world. For example, I get very upset when I see the world stand by as Muslim militants slaughter innocents in the Sudan. Where is our "humanity" in helping these people?

As for the environment, we're running out of fossil fuels, we're running out of fresh water, we're running out of top soils, and our atmosphere just keeps getting dirtier. This is our environment, we depend on the earth, we depend on our environment for our survival. It may be getting better, but we cannot sustain ourselves for much longer at this rate. People don't understand that, I think it will only take some sort of terrible catastrophe before they do.



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User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Humanity is just a virus upon me, With any luck they'll all wipe themselves out before long. And as for all this religion crap! In my opinion it's just an ape that got a little too clever for himself and needed someone to blame. I vote for the mosquitoes!

Now, Saturn on the other hand... Look at those curves!

Signed,

The Earth


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 4):
People don't understand that, I think it will only take some sort of terrible catastrophe before they do.

Sadly, that is always the case with mankind - we are not a proactive people, we are reactive.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 4):
Its not just our country, its all the world.

Agreed, but I can only address what I know firsthand, which is why I focused on the US.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 4):
Where is our "humanity" in helping these people?

Our humanity in helping the Iraqis had less to do with helping the Iraqis and more to do with protecting that black, liquid, strategic asset under the ground in Iraq. If our government truly cared about torture, murder, and genocide - we would have had troops in Africa for quite some time now. I care that people are being slaughtered, but the government really doesn't - that's the honest truth no matter what spin is put on it.

Also, no doubt the environment needs to be taken care of - I merely meant to point out things are improving, so there is hope.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 6):
Also, no doubt the environment needs to be taken care of - I merely meant to point out things are improving, so there is hope.

Maybe there is, you are certainly more of an optimist than I am  Smile But I can't help but fear for the future, perhaps even some time in my lifetime. What will happen when we run out of fresh water and don't have enough desalination plants? What will happen when underground reservoirs of fresh water run out and we can't grow food anymore in the U.S.? What will happen when topsoils around the world are depleted and famines will hit? What will happen when drugs won't work anymore because viruses have mutated so much and become so resistant?

I think its frightening. I live an easy life now, I have food, water, and shelter. I've always had it, take these things for granted. My life is easy. But what about in fifty years? Would it be irresponsible of me to bring a child into this world? Mind you I'm only 22, but I see a bleak future. Call me a pessimist, but there's some stuff that really really bothers me.



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

-Martin Luther King Jr



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Thanks for that quote TUNisia. MLK was a brilliant human being.


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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 7):
Mind you I'm only 22, but I see a bleak future. Call me a pessimist, but there's some stuff that really really bothers me

Well, perhaps you are a bit of a pessimist, but it is nice to see that at the age of 22 you are so concerned about mankind.  Smile Not that I am much older than you, but I didn't really start thinking about the world until much later in my 20's.

A healthy fear of the future, IMO, is the best way to ensure the future turns out well. Just don't give up trying to make things better out of frustration, that's all I can tell you - that is the reason why our politicians are so out of control, we all think "what can we do?" and then they become unaccountable - for the most part.

Of the things that bother you, fix/work on what you can - and don't get too bothered by what you have no power to change (since it does no good). The thing is, we all only have a short period of time on this Earth, so we should try to be as happy as possible while we are here - without completely ignoring the problems our society faces. I suspect finding the balance between those two things will ease your mind.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

I share many of the sentiments echoed above. But let's be honest here. Fear/pride/greed (the root causes of everything bad imaginable in the world) are embedded in our DNA. No amount of laws, flag waving, flag burning or protests are ever, EVER going to change it. The only way that war/terrorism/racism or whatever is going to end is the complete extermination if not total holocaust of entire segments of humanity if not the whole human race.

Period.

Until then, these noble ideas of "peace, love, and acceptance" are little more than farting against the wind for all the good it's going to do.

And as for passing laws against "hate" and "racist" speech?

Forget it. It only seems to be having the opposite effect in that it's just pissing everyone off and galvanizing them even more.

I've said it before and I'll say again here in mid 2005:

A second Civil War IS coming in the United States. If things continue on their present course, it's only a matter of time (I'm predicting a decade or less) where everyone is finally going to snap and full scale bloodshed is going to erupt in every street in America.

Only this time it won't have anything to do with Secession, Slaves, or States Rights.

It will be whites versus Blacks and Latinos. Gays versus straights. Blacks versus Asians. Liberals versus Conservatives. Housewives versus career women. Pro life versus pro choice (how's that for irony?).

Every opposing faction in society is going to take to arms from sidewalk fistfights to carjacking to rioting to Molotov Cocktails to wholesale bombing.

It's coming.

Look all around you. The seeds have all been planted. And now all we have to do is wait for them to sprout:

The NAACP demanding that the descendants of white slaveowners pay restitution. Never mind that neither todays Blacks were slaves and no white person alive ever owned a slave.

The viciousness two-sidedness of the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections (red America/Blue America).

Latino Groups demanding everything under the sun-and the white folks getting tired of not being able to order a burger unless it's in Spanish.

The Minutemen movement spreading like wildfire.

The abortion clinic bombings and subsequent tear gas and billy-club hatefests.

The list goes on and on and on.

Like so many other things, "diversity" and "open mindedness" and "tolerance" started out as noble ideas that seemed like win-win ideas for all. But before long, they were hijacked and went off the deep end.

And now the bill for all of this endless envelope pushing will soon be due.

Mark my words.

You heard it here first.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21620 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Ooh, a depressing thread. Yay....

I think that we are in decline, but that science will provide means to keep the Earth alive, artificially, for quite some time. Humanity will still survive, but it won't be pretty. Overpopulation and disease will be rampant. Fighting will be a lot more common. Overall, it'll suck. And I don't think that there's really a way to avoid it - human nature and the laws of the universe tend to go towards chaos.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 11):
A second Civil War IS coming in the United States.

I think you're right. It would be the end of the US as we know it - Europe and Asia would become dominant powers and the US would fade to a somewhat developed, good-to-visit-and-trade-with-but-not-much-else kind of country. It's kind of sad to think about, that such a great country could end that way. But then again, that's how most of the great countries throughout history have gone down - in flames.

I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime. But I'm not getting my hopes up too much.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

not all is lost - Arsenal won the FA cup today


ooh to ooh to be ooh to be a gooner!
User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

well does anyone agreee that now when there is an empire, whether political or financial, it is much harder to take them down, way back in history, empires were easier to crumble, but now empires have taken a new dimension....ways of thinking and economic principles such as the usa's global policiing is an empire....

i just think that when people die, it's going to be more severe deaths and larger wars



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

It is not really as bad as it looks. We just have access to more worldwide news and information now. Bad news is disseminated on an international level while good news is a local snippet on the local TV news.


I'm just happy that RR ratings can't be in negative numbers!
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 15):
It is not really as bad as it looks. We just have access to more worldwide news and information now. Bad news is disseminated on an international level while good news is a local snippet on the local TV news.

Correction... most of the news we get here in the US is pure Propoganda. We hear the bias side of stories reported. We get nothing but sensationalism mixed with commercialism. Lou Dobbs (on CNN) and News Hour with Jim Lehrer (on PBS) are the last two sources of real news on TV. They cover the real issues at hand.



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
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