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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12322 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 781 times:

I've been seeing some English and European football for the first time this year. Fox and CNN have been carrying some Premiership games a week delayed and also they carried one match per week of the UEFA Champions League. I've been enjoying them a lot. I am not a fan of basketball, so the English and EU football seasons has been filling the sports void between the end of the US NFL and MLB seasons.

So, I see from various on-line sources that the FA Cup is being played soon. What is it? I know the FA is the Football Association, but beyond that, what decides the teams to play? Man Utd vs Arsenal sounds like the top two from last year's Premiership but my memory is a bit hazy on that. But it sounds a bit strange to someone familiar with US customs: why not let this year's top teams play against each other?

I've looked for a decent FAQ that could help a newbie understand what all the darn championships/cups are in UK and Europe, but haven't found one, so I'd appreciate a link to one if you have one.

I realize all sportscasts presume a knowledge of the game and the teams. I more or less know the rules of the game (they aren't all that hard, are they?) but I don't know much about the teams. For instance, all the teams seem to have one or more nicknames. How can I get up to speed on the lingo?

What are some of your favorite links for keeping up with the happenings of the game? Keep in mind I haven't developed much if any attachment to any particular team, so I'd like to find one that covers the sport broadly.


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User currently offlineRODOL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 778 times:

The FA cup begins at the very start of the season in August, contested by lowly non-league teams such as my local team Buxton, who play in the Northern Counties East League, which is 5 steps below the bottom division of the football league. These teams play approximately 4 rounds before the big non-league teams such as the conference join in. In November it is the First Round Proper (the previous rounds being called qualifying rounds), where the bottom two divisions of the football league join in, against whichever non league teams remain. Then in January at the 3rd round stage, the big teams (such as Arsenal and Man Utd are put into the draw, this can result in David v goliath ties such as Man Utd v Exeter City from this season, Exeter being from the Conference. (incidentally they managed a 0-0 draw! Once eight teams remain you are into the quarter finals (obviously), and on to the semis and then the final. There is a competition played between the two 'best' teams, the community shield, which is the champions versus the FA Cup winners.

User currently offlineRODOL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 772 times:

Revelation, here is a site that provides links to all the English Football teams.

http://www.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=0&p=56&spt=3&blip=A_FOOTBALL


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 768 times:

Actually, the FA cup final is being played NOW. After 70 minutes, Arsenal and Man Utd. are 0-0


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 747 times:

There are a few leauges and cups run in Europe and England which Involve English Football teams.

They Are-
The English Leagues
The Premiership
The Championship (The old First Division
League One (The Old Second Division)
League Two (The Old First Division)
The Conference

The European Compitioions
The UEFA Champions League
The UEFA Cup

The English Cups
The F.A Cup
The Carling Cup
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The Premiership
The F.A Premier League is the Top League in England. The Top 20 Teams In England take Part.
This Years Table-
Chelsea- 95
Arsenal- 83
Man Utd- 77
Everton- 61
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Liverpool- 58
Bolton- 58
Middlesbrough- 55
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Man City- 52
Tottenham- 52
Aston Villa- 47
Charlton- 46
Birmingham- 45
Fulham- 44
Newcastle- 44
Blackburn- 42
Portsmith- 39
West Brom- 34
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C Palace- 33
Norwich- 33
Southhampton- 32

The First Line has 4 teams above it, these four Teams get put into the Biggest Cup in Europe- The chanpions League. However, Only the Champions and the Second Place get automaticly put in. The Third and Fourth Place have to Qualify.
The Second Line are the Teams who get put into the UEFA Cup.
Finally the Last line are the Teams who are Relegated and Are put into the Championship.

The Champinship/League One/League Two/ The Conference
These Leagues all work the Same. The Top Two Teams get promoted into the Higher League. The next four teams play in a play-off with a quater final, Semi-Final and Final, The winner also Gets Promoted. The Last Three get relegated to the Lower League

This Years Table-
Sunderland 94
Wigan 87
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Ipswich 85
Derby 76
Preston 75
West Ham 73
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Reading 70
Sheff Utd 67
Wolverhampton 66
Millwall 66
QPR 62
Stoke 61
Burnley 60
Leeds 60
Leicester 57
Cardiff 54
Plymouth 53
Watford 52
Coventry 52
Brighton 51
Crewe 50
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Gillingham 50
Nottm Forest 44
Rotherham 29

Champions League/UEFA Cup
The Champions League has the top teams in Europe. The Teams are put in Groups of 4 and play each other Twice. The Winning Two Teams go through to the Knoch-Out Round. The Third Place Team go to the UEFA Cup Knock-Out Round and the Last Place Gets Nothing. In the Knock-out rounds the Teams play Each other Twice with Away Goals Rule on. Once Home and Once Away. The Winner Proceeds to the Quater Final, Then The Semi-Final and Then the Final. The winner of the Compitition gets into It again Next Year.
If Liverpool Win This Year, they may not be alloud in Next Year, because They did not finish High Enough in Their League.
The UEFA Cup works pretty Much The Same.

The F.A Cup/Carling Cup
The F.A Cup works As RODOL said.
This Cup works nearly the same as The F.A Cup.

AerLingus330



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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 744 times:

You can also check out- www.premierleague.com

AerLingus330



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12322 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 727 times:

Thanks, RODOL and Aerlingus330, for the explanation and the links.

It's a pretty different mindset for someone raised on American sports, where in each of the major sports (baseball, football, hockey, basketball) there is just one "major" league and teams in these leagues never compete with teams from leagues other than their own (except perhaps for exhibitions), and there is no concept of relegation or promotion.

It is somewhat unsatifying to me that the Premeirship itself doesn't have a playoff. I understand that the UEFA Champions League is a big deal, but still, I 'd like to see a Premeirship playoff.

The idea that in some cases this season's performance determines your position in next year's tournament is also different. In America, when the season is over, it's over, and next season everyone starts from scratch.

One more question, if I may. I see the large payments that move between teams when a player is transferred, presuably because the rights to the player have moved between the teams. So, do these rights ever expire? I.e. is there what we would call free agency here in America where a player can change teams without any compensation to his previous team?

Thanks again.



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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 715 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
One more question, if I may. I see the large payments that move between teams when a player is transferred, presuably because the rights to the player have moved between the teams. So, do these rights ever expire? I.e. is there what we would call free agency here in America where a player can change teams without any compensation to his previous team?

There are Three ways for a transfer to take place in European and English Football. There are-
Transfer with a fee- A team would pay £X million for a player. He signs a contract for X amount of Years. At the End of X years, He and His Team have a choice. He can Sign a new contract (No fee Required) or another Team can Buy this player off the His team.

Loan-This is something similar to a Transfer with a Fee. The team which owns the player gives the Player to a Team, For a Year or more. The team which he is on loan to pays the Team which owns the Player.
Example.- Newcastle United and Patrick Klivert from Barcelona F.C

Free Transfer- A player is given for free to a Team. This does not usually happen with Major Players.

AerLingus330



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12322 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 659 times:

Interesting. It seems from your description that in all cases the team controls the player's fate. I imagine in some cases the player and/or his representative are the instigators, but it seems that the team controls the player's rights forever so there is no equivalent to free agency.


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