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Why Were Stars Wars I,II&III Released After The VI  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

just to make more money in my opinion....what other reason ????


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Most likely because Lucas had the original story in his mind, and hadn't even thought of the ideas that were in the prequel? I don't think it had anything to do with $$ in that regard. He had an idea for the story that ran in the 70's and 80's, and hadn't even thought about the other part.

Simple, really.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

I don't understand what your asking...?? Why where they released out of order...??

George Lucas had already written the manucripts for all 6 episodes, but if I recall right, had 4, 5 and 6 already in movie script form. That may not be 100% correct, but I do recall seeing George interviewed once and he stated why...

[Edited 2005-05-22 00:46:59]


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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1692 times:




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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

No its not crappy. Its a legitimate question. Its like now, the lord pf the rings producers wil lrelease the Hobbit since they know they can make more money out of it


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Well, RootsAir, they ARE in the business to make money-it sounds like your kind of offended by this premise.

I still think Lucas had what is now 4, 5 and 6 either as the only stories he had in his mind, or they were more fully developed. If I'm not mistaking, btw, he did authorize a 3rd Trilogy, that came out in book form a few years back, but that will not come out as movies.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

In general I'm referring to your penchant for starting threads of dubious validity.

And no, the two aren't the same at all. Both LOTR and The Hobbit are products of an author other than the director, whereas the Star Wars saga is the product of Lucas's mind and, as already stated, he had originally planned A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi to be a single film - a "space opera" if you will like Wagner's Ring Cycle. However, Lucas soon realized he had too much story entirely and broke up the story into three chunks, hoping that A New Hope would at least be a mild hit so that the other parts of the original trilogy could be told.

That being said, he already had planned out the basic backstory of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, and much of the dialogue in A New Hope supports this. It's also no secret that he was never happy with the technological limitations of the original trilogy and after working on Jurassic Park, Lucas realized the technology was finally available to tell the story hoe he had wanted to and began work on the re-releases (which, I'll admit were about nothing but more money) and, seeing that he could use the technology as he wished it, began the prequel trilogy so that audiences could see how Anakin fell from grace to become Vader, something many had always been curious about.



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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

If memory serves, the full story for Star Wars was written as one large story treatment, intended to be produced as one movie. He quickly realized there was way to much, so he went with the portion of the original treatment that had what he considered to be the most bankable storyline, what became A New Hope.

Plus, having seen all the movies, it just works better having the movies in the order they are in. Would The Empire Strikes Back have been nearly as cool if we already knew that Vader was Luke's father, etc?

As a side note, one of the problems with the prequels is that they did go mostly back to that initial story treatment, which was something like 60%+ used in the original trilogy. Of the remaining amount, he indicated that he used about 20% each in the first two prequels, meaning that he had to add a lot of filler to round out those films. He used the remaining 60% in Revenge of the Sith, which is at least partly, in my opinion, the reason it is the best prequel.



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quote Garnetpalmetto:

Stop posting crapy threads...
...or we will kill this kitten!


Oh, you are the guy who trained Darth Vader.

Axel



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
began work on the re-releases (which, I'll admit were about nothing but more money)

I would also point out that there were millions who had not seen the original three films in the theater, as they had not even been born when the movies came out and Lucas wanted them to have similar experiences to the older audience so that when the second tranche of movies came out they would have the same background.

That....... and the money....which is really not a problem. If that many people want to go and see the movie, then it should be released. You might not remember the wave of revival viewings of films back in the 70s when movies such as Casablanca, Key West and African Queen saw studio re-release in theaters in order to let people see them again as intended. My dad took me to see Marx Bros. movies, half the Bogie movies, and others at the Silver Screen theater in Atlanta as a kid, and those were as good for me as seeing Bladerunner, The Pink Panther or Raiders with him.

Let me tell you, the Marx Bros were some funny sonsofguns.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Because Lucas intendend the Story of Star Wars to be centered around the ADULT Darth Vader from the very beginning. Then he added some charachters like the princess and Skywalker. Thats why at when the story became so popular it was a no brainer to start a second trilogy about Darth Vader. I have to say that some of Lucas's story line like in Episodes 1/2//6 turned into BS just to satisfy the rest of the plot, everything happened so convinently for the charachters. I guess you have to do that when you have to cover a large story.

I don't think that Lucas had the 1,2,3 episodes in mind when he was doing 4,5,6. He just tried to build on details from episode 4. I don't think it was about the money cause Lucas had enough to live for 10 life times, but it was for the fans and people who enjoyed star wars.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

I think that the idea that the first trilogy was centered around Darth Vader is more of a revision. The movies clearly centered around Luke and his quest to become a Jedi and save the galaxy. Vader was the counterpoint to Luke, and they represented the two sides of the force.

Now that the entire set is out one could argue that Anakin/Vader is the center of the first three and Luke is the center of the last three, with a reunification at the end, with a fulfillment of the prophecy coming at the climax of Return of the Jedi.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3400 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

If there is anyone here who saw "A New Hope" in 1977 did the opening sequence actually say episode IV or did George Lucas add that in when the original trilogy was released onto video.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

No...the original was done with the hope of being received well enough to permit the other two to follow. The idea of making the backstory into a "prequel" did not come until later. It was added to the re-release, along with some bogus changes to the scenes added digitally.


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User currently offlineDrgreen757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

My God, the last time I heard this much mindless banter I was at a Star Trek convention. Please...get help....I did.


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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Well, I saw "Revenge of the Sith" and it was the best of the current trilogy.
The acting was not nearly as wooden as the first two episodes.

The Jedi Knights were wrong that Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one, and the one that would bring "order" to the force and defeat the Sith.

Instead, it was his son Luke that accomplished all the above.

When viewed in total of all 6 episodes, "Sith" is 2nd best, behind the "Empire Strikes Back" IMHO.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 15):
The Jedi Knights were wrong that Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one, and the one that would bring "order" to the force and defeat the Sith.

Between you and Bill O'Reily giving away the plot, thanks a lot.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):
Between you and Bill O'Reily giving away the plot, thanks a lot.

Between you and Bill O'Reily giving away the plot, thanks a lot.


We all knew that Anakin was evil and Luke was to bring balance to the Force. We've known that for twenty years now.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

God I cant believe this thread! But I guess some people were not around in 1977  Smile

There is a documentary about Lucas and Star Wars, the title of which escapes me at the moment and I am a work and will be for another 8 hours so I cant look it up, BUT it was release in this country on the fourth, Bonus Material, disks of the boxed DVD release of the original three movies and I presume in other countries. I highly recommend it.

In this documentary George Lucas states, in person, that he spent a year writing the original screen treatment and at the end he realised that it was too big for one movie, but not wanting to waste a year of his life, he cut it into three acts, the original Star Wars, being the first act.

It was called Star Wars, nothing else, no words, no numbers, just Star Wars, it did not become A New Hope, Star Wars IV until he decided to do the prequels, which was well after Return of the Jedi was released. I still call the original movie Star Wars, can't get my head around the name change! Which does cause some confusion among younger members of the family.

The cinema re release was a GREAT idea, my son who was 14 at the time was beside himself with joy at the thought of FINALLY seeing it as it was ment to be seen, on the big screen. He was blown away for days! I also totally enjoyed it! On the bonus material disk mentioned above is a TV ad for the rerelease that makes this very point, great ad.

When news of the second trilogy came out it was that there were TWO new trilogies, a prequel AND a sequel to the original trilogy. The sequel trilogy, as movies, has not been mentioned for a l-o-n-g time, but having now seen 1 to 6, I would love for Lucas to do the third trilogy!!!

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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):
Between you and Bill O'Reily giving away the plot, thanks a lot.

You aren't serious, are you?!!
I didn't give away anything!! My comment is something that has been known for over 20 years!!

 Yeah sure



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
If there is anyone here who saw "A New Hope" in 1977 did the opening sequence actually say episode IV or did George Lucas add that in when the original trilogy was released onto video.

Yes, the original Star Wars released in 1977 DID have the title "A New Hope" on the opening screen. That was something that bothered me for years and we kids always tried to figure out what happened to the first three parts. It's always kinda bothered me when people called it a trilogy, I always told them there were 6 parts, but then they always laughed at me.

As mentioned above, when Lucas wrote Star Wars, it was one big story which was to big so he had to divide it into 6 parts. Thus, George Lucas always had all 6 parts in mind, however the reason why part 4 was released first is because he believed tha the storyline of the last 3 parts were a bit better to


capture an audience. If the first three parts were successful enough, he would later film the first 3 parts (hence the prequels).
It was as simple as that.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 18):
It was called Star Wars, nothing else, no words, no numbers, just Star Wars, it did not become A New Hope, Star Wars IV until he decided to do the prequels, which was well after Return of the Jedi was released. I still call the original movie Star Wars, can't get my head around the name change! Which does cause some confusion among younger members of the family.

As I mentioned above, the original Star Wars released in 1977 was called "A New Hope". That title was used during the opening credits of the 1977 as well as the original video release (ah the memories). It was even on some of the original movie posters. I had the biggest fight with me cousin back in '79 over this. He didn't believe me either, until we rented the movie (before "Empire" came out in 1980) and showed him that the original Star Wars was, indeed episode 4 (he didn't believe me that Leia was Luke's sister after we saw Empire neither). Just like the "Empire Strikes Back" has always been episode 5 and "The Return of The Jedi" has always been episode 6.

The order of the films has nothing to do with the 1997 re-releases of the original films back, that was nothing but pure marketing from Mr.Lucas himself, who is indeed a true master in marketing.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 20):
As I mentioned above, the original Star Wars released in 1977 was called "A New Hope". That title was used during the opening credits of the 1977 as well as the original video release (ah the memories). It was even on some of the original movie posters. I had the biggest fight with me cousin back in '79 over this. He didn't believe me either, until we rented the movie (before "Empire" came out in 1980) and showed him that the original Star Wars was, indeed episode 4 (he didn't believe me that Leia was Luke's sister after we saw Empire neither). Just like the "Empire Strikes Back" has always been episode 5 and "The Return of The Jedi" has always been episode 6.

I think you are mistaken, but I will research this as I have been wrong before. I will return with the results of this search.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

This may give a bit more insight...
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/history.html



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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 15):
The Jedi Knights were wrong that Anakin Skywalker was the chosen one, and the one that would bring "order" to the force and defeat the Sith.

Sorry to say, but you are wrong. It was still Anakin who killed the Dark Lord of the Sith, the Emperor, then allowed himself to die, killing the last Sith, himself. He still was the Chosen One, but it was fulfilled in a way the Jedi didn't expect. Luke killed neither of the Sith, albeit he was the inspiration for Anakin's actions.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 20):
As I mentioned above, the original Star Wars released in 1977 was called "A New Hope". That title was used during the opening credits of the 1977 as well as the original video release (ah the memories). It was even on some of the original movie posters.

No. When Star Wars was released in 1977, it lacked the "A New Hope" title. However, in 1978 (which sort of melded together with the original release, making the interesting trivia that Star Wars is the only move to remain #1 one year after it's release, even though it was really 2 separate releases) and 1979, the original was re-released, containing the "A New Hope" title. I know I just read that somewhere. It was still Episode 4 in his mind, but before he tried to produce a series of films, he just wanted to make sure it would be a success. When that was apparent, the "A New Hope" title was added.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

ACDC8....ok dude, I hope this stays a simple little geek-gument but I think you are mistaken.

According to the Internet Movie Database and other sources, including my own memory of the movie and the laser disc (with the Tatooine scenes outside Mos Eiseley with Biggs and Luke) the movie was originally released as Star Wars, and the addition of the IV "A New Hope" came only with the release of the video....the word 'episode' was added at the re-release.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/


Alternate Versions for
Star Wars (1977)

* When the original theatrical version was first released, it was simply titled Star Wars.The opening crawl was changed to "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" during the 1981 re-release. According to Sterling Hedgpeth, Lucasfilm film archivist: "I found a box with all the positive elements for the 'revised' opening crawl, and the assorted trim boxes are dated from October through December 1980. This, then, is consistent with the view that Episode IV: A New Hope was added for the first time to the opening crawl for the April 10, 1981 re-release."


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1. Star Wars (1977)
aka "Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope" - USA (reissue title) (new title)
aka "Adventures of the Starkiller: Episode 1 - The Star Wars" - USA (original script title)
aka "Star Wars IV: A New Hope" - USA (video box title)


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Adventures of the Starkiller: Episode 1 - The Star Wars (USA) (original script title)
Guerra de las estrellas, La (USA: Spanish title)
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25 StarAC17 : I think this was mentioned in another Star Wars thread but Luke doesn't kill any of the sith. If you have seen Return of the Jedi Luke defeats Darth
26 DL021 : Luke brought balance to the Force by NOT killing Vader. He defeated Vader, but showed mercy by refusing to execute a defenseless man, and this allowe
27 Post contains images Klaus : Catholic bible exegesis has nothing on you!
28 DL021 : Thousands of people in Australia declared on their last census that their religion was the Force and the way of the Jedi. I'm not one of them, but I s
29 TheCoz : I noticed that too, it has a ton of biblical metaphors -- case in point, Anakin's mother just became pregnant out of nowhere and gave birth to "the c
30 DL021 : But he ends up on the side of light and good. Also the son redeems the father, and the galaxy, and is the beacon for all to follow.
31 Post contains links and images ACDC8 : Hi DL021! From one geek to another ... http://www.starwarssource.net/sws_display.php?url=/SW/anh_script.txt http://members.tripod.com/~RodneyT/anh.tx
32 DL021 : Well, even though it feels like we are in a comic book shop arguing about the exact origin of the third sibling of the Power Pack....here goes. I chec
33 Gemuser : Sorry ACDC8 but you are wrong! The original 1977 release DID NOT have the title "A New Hope". I was there, in person, me myself & I and it did not hav
34 Klaus : I´m pretty sure the original german release didn´t have the sub-title as well... Not before the re-release when Empire came out. I remember noticing
35 DL021 : I must disagree, my friend, the change to Return of the Jedi came months prior to the release of the movie. The working title of the movie was Reveng
36 Post contains images ACDC8 : Hello all! So I did some more research (BTW, you guys owe me $10 for gas money, since I had to drive to another town to find the book I was looking fo
37 Texdravid : Another interesting thing I just found out recently. I watched the original trilogy packet that came out last fall. In the ending to the original Retu
38 Post contains images DL021 : I am the King of ALL GEEKS!!!! $10 Canadian? No sweat, that's like $1.75 US, right? Goddamnit! I know they are his movies, but I wish he'd quit screw
39 ANCFlyer : Dangit . . . now I have to buy ANOTHER Star Wars movie!!! Shit Shit Shit Shit . . . .
40 Post contains images ACDC8 : We're not worthy! We're not worthy! You wish! Try more like $2.35 US. HA! Are you serious? You realize that in 20 years from now they're gonna be arg
41 Gemuser : DL021 Reply 35 ""Quoting Gemuser (Reply 33): During pre-production/production it was change to "Revenge of the Jedi" it was changed back to "Return" t
42 Garnetpalmetto : Blue Harvest was never the working title, but a cover name. When the raw film was shipped (I believe to the FX lab) it was in canisters labeled "Blue
43 Slider : True, as well as the fact they had heard there was another film being released around the time of Jedi that had the word "revenge" in it as well. I c
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