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Modern Day Morality? Sisters,all Mums, At 12,14,16  
User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1971 times:

Here's an interesting story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4572219.stm

In summary, 3 sisters have become mothers, at ages 12, 14 and 16.

The girls mother believes they have ruined their lives, but blames their school for poor quality sex education.

Whatever happened to parental responsibilty?


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1966 times:

I agree that it is irresponsible and might well 'ruin' their lives, although not necessarily. I suspect that such girls probably come from certain backgrounds, which might per se have 'ruined' their lives anyway.

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If they're old enough to bleed...

Signed,

JPG.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1963 times:

Well the downside is already there... the dad of one has already f**ked off because all the toerag wanted was to get laid.

Yes, blame the school, blame everyone else. Ever tried to tell a teenager anything and get them to do something, especially in school?



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1961 times:

Girls of that age are able to give bith - you're able to give birth from the time you start your period - so it is obviously a moral and social thing.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12170 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1948 times:
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12 year old having a child.......bloody hell

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 2):
Ever tried to tell a teenager anything and get them to do something...?

Andrew... I'm living it everyday.... you must be too?



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
If they're old enough to bleed...

Signed,

JPG.

Oooh - Earth to Kettle, Earth calling kettle. Mr. Paedophilia himself ! That's rich...


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
Mr. Paedophilia himself !

Don't be so hard on yourself! I've told you a million times that beggers cannot be choosers!



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 7):
I've told you a million times that beggers cannot be choosers!

Tell that to Michael O'Leary.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Funny thing is that with our rather liberal attitude towards sexual education in Germany (and also Scandinavia and the Netherlands), the number of teenage mothers over here is much smaller and almost non-existent.
In strict, Roman-Catholic Ireland I saw a huge number of teenage mums too.

Jan


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Surely if it was "Modern Day Morality" then we would not be having this discussion as it would be acceptable. Clearly it is not "Modern Day Morality" as virtually everyone would think that it is wrong.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineBritish767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 284 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

I know this is a very general remark, but all I can say is...typical chavs.

User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

I don't have any stats to back this up but since I moved to south Texas where it seems every other person is Roman Catholic and the whole state is in love with the idea of having the schools teach abstinence only it seems I can't go a day without seeing a 16 year old pushing a stroller.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

I´ve got a similar dilema with my teenage daughter. Since I will not be able to stop her from having sex if she finds a boyfriend anyway (I can´t lock her in 24 hours a day), I´d rather have her prepared (e.g. have a few condoms in her purse, just in case) and be willstrong enough to insist on him wearing them. I don´t want her to get pregnant or catch a disease.
But her Roman-Catholic mother, coming from a village culture, where a woman has to stay virgin until she eventually gets married (after college in her late 20s), would kick her out if she found stuff like this in her possession (it is mostly about "what will the other Filipinos think of the mom if her daughter had a boyfriend, that the mother raised a whore?"). Funny that those rules don´t apply to boy and guys.
For me the current situation is unacceptable, because it prevents our daughter from being open to us about what she does and if she has a boyfriend, but since she is living in the USA with her mom, there is very little I can do about it. I´d rather like to be introduced to a boyfriend, so that I can have a look at him to see if he is OK, or if there is something fishy (e.g. somebody much older or a criminal).
Unfortunately, because she knows she can not be open to her mother, she is also afraid that I will tell her mom about her, so she doesn´t tell me either.

Jan


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

God damn man!!
You gotta be pretty sick if you wanna have sex with a 12 year old girl..
And I wonder why the parents haven't suggested an abortion. A girl on 12 year shouldn't have a kid.


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13):
But her Roman-Catholic mother, coming from a village culture, where a woman has to stay virgin until she eventually gets married (after college in her late 20s), would kick her out if she found stuff like this in her possession (it is mostly about "what will the other Filipinos think of the mom if her daughter had a boyfriend, that the mother raised a whore?"). Funny that those rules don´t apply to boy and guys.

I think is more a cultural issue rather than a religious one. What you posted describe how traditional, conservative societies see teenagers sexuality. I can tell you that in countries like the Philippines or Mexico, almost every family have a similar approach to this topic, regardless their religious background. I know plenty of parents that are not religious or even self-assumed agnostics; yet, regarding their daughters sexuality, they share the same view with the most conservative families. As I said before, it's a cultural thing.

[Edited 2005-05-23 15:17:29]

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 5):
Andrew... I'm living it everyday.... you must be too?

Well, a 2 year old teenager in my house.... he's going through the yes/no/yes/no phase at the moment and otherwise doesn't listen to what he doesn't want to hear.



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User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

SFOMEX I concurr, and to add Mexico has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates, but as a society we still teach that sex is something "dirty and secretive", and on the other hand the media and print is full of sex messages...
Personally Id be more worried about one of my kids to catch a lethal STD than to get pregnant



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

This simply re-enforces the point that some species should not be allowed to breed. In this case the Greater-spotted Chav/chavette  Wink


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 15):
I think is more a cultural issue rather than a religious one. What you posted describe how traditional, conservative societies see teenagers sexuality. I can tell you that in a country like the Philippines or Mexico, almost every family have a similar approach to this topic, regardless their religious background. I know plenty of parents that are not religious or even self-assumed agnostics; yet, regarding their daughters sexuality, they share the same view with the most conservative families. As I said before, it's a cultural thing.

tHe problem is that such pressure from society to stay abstinent might work in villages, where everybody knows everybody and is always under observation by neighbours, family etc., but it doesn´t work in big anomymous cities.

Jan


User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

The father of one of the children is a 38 year old from an Asian family. Apparently he hoofed it because he lived at home and was frightened his parents would find out! I wonder if P.C. Plod will be paying him a visit re: under-age sex?

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 14):
God damn man!!
You gotta be pretty sick if you wanna have sex with a 12 year old girl..
And I wonder why the parents haven't suggested an abortion. A girl on 12 year shouldn't have a kid.

Maybe the father was in the same age group? I was biologically capable of fathering a child by the age of 13-14.

Jan


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6737 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 21):
I was biologically capable of fathering a child by the age of 13-14.

and therein lies the problem. Biology has us equipped to have babies at a much younger ages than social convention/law allows.

Not that long ago it was a social stigma to get pregnant when unmarried (and embarrassing for some even when married), but now because of the freedom to do what the hell you like and kids being forced to grow up far too soon with the rash of media and peer pressures this is an inevitable consequence. If it's not sex, it's drugs, glue sniffing, whatever.... for some kids at least. Is this the only street cred these days?

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 14):
You gotta be pretty sick if you wanna have sex with a 12 year old girl..

And probably much the same sort of person who'd get RSI from this (amongst others)

http://www.magazinecity.net/8338-12.html

With titles like "live young girls" and "barely legal" you don't need to be too smart to realise the desires of purchasers.



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

It's a wonderful example this mother is setting for her girls. No, she won't accept that maybe her lack of parenting or involvement in her girls' lives is to blame for this. It's all the school system' fault for not having 'the talk' or giving them condoms or making sure they were socializing with friends of decent quality..


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Actually I don´t mind young mothers as long as they still manage to get their schooling finished and learn a profession. I think that, as long as they continue to study and perform, they should ber entiteled to help from the society so that they can become responsible adults, even if they made a mistake. And I also believe that while a teenage father should be able to complete his education (same as the girl), the child support he has to give to the mother for the time while he is not yet working should be a government loan, not a grant, and he should pay it back later once he has work.
Give them incentives to become responsible members of the societey. In the long run this will be cheaper.

Jan


25 MattRB : But they're not giving them any incentives at the moment. Are the girls still in school? For £600/wk, they better be, else what motivation do they ha
26 Post contains images BMIFlyer : What??!! What more do they want?? Bloody Hell!! What are they doing with the money? Going out and getting drunk every night? How can they not live on
27 Sabena332 : And also the lives of their children, how the heck should a 12 or 14 year old be able to parent and to educate a child in a proper way? Patrick
28 Post contains images Pe@rson : With all that 'free' income, who in their right mind would want to work?
29 Post contains images JGPH1A : Says Mr. Scruffy Student Layabout ! Yerrssss....
30 Post contains images Willo : Also in the paper today re: this item The Centre for Policy Studies think-tank said married couples on average weekly wages were only £1 better off t
31 Post contains images Pe@rson : Further evidence that I am perfect and that you are not - I have the sense not to work.
32 Post contains images Myt332 : Job interview didn't go too well then?
33 Pe@rson : 'Tis on Friday. Am confident though.
34 Post contains images Cornish : I think you mean that others have the sense not to employ you (Except for Dai's Bangor Burgers of course - slogan "Our burgers are tastier than Ebola
35 Pe@rson : :D
36 Greyhound : While still old enough to make good choices, it's true that if their backgrounds were shady, they stood a better than average chance of falling in th
37 Post contains images JGPH1A : Confident ? On what basis ? Your expensive legal education ? Your phenomenal spelling abilities ? Surely not your personal charms - believe me, even
38 MD11Engineer : What about accesibilty of contraceptives? Here teenage girls can get a prescription for the pill from their doc without the parents knowing. Also cond
39 Post contains images Pe@rson :
40 NWADC9 : The youngest mother gave birth at the age of 8. I think she was from a tribe or something...
41 Shamrock_747 : Oh dear. What a load of ignorant morons. Even taking into account they most probably come from a deprived background, their mother is clearly lacks an
42 AA61Hvy : 6th grader having a kid, thats funny. She can't even add fractions or do basic chemistry. Good for her. She can learn counting to 100 and learn the AB
43 Myt332 : Speak for your own country. We're actually educated in the UK.
44 Post contains images BMIFlyer :
45 AA61Hvy : Obviously, by 3 women, excuse me, 3 girls getting pregnant. Good Sex Ed system you guys have.
46 BMIFlyer : If that IS the case, he should be locked up Thanks Lee
47 Post contains images Greyhound :
48 777236ER : Not if he's the father of the 16 year old's baby.
49 BMIFlyer : Well, no, but still, he's a cradle snatcher anyway.
50 Myt332 : Still, the USA manages to beat the UK with the amount of teenage pregnancies with an average of 53 out of 1000 teenagers giving birth while the UK on
51 Captoveur : 600pnds a week? Shit, my share of the bills for a month is $600.. That would be a step up for me... Then again I don't have kids.
52 Greyhound : Oh damn... we're up 53-20. Isin't 1 bad enough? With that statement, you make it SEEM like 20 is an acceptable level one can live with.
53 Myt332 : Oh be quiet, I don't think it's acceptable at all. Simply pointing out you are worse than us.[Edited 2005-05-23 19:29:35]
54 LTBEWR : The 'man' or 'men' whom had sex with these women when they are/were under 18 should be investigated for violations of the the UK version of Statutory
55 MD11Engineer : My daughter will turn 15 this year. From her looks she seems to be 18 to 20 (boobs and all, she also dresses this style), but mentalitywise she is sti
56 Danny : This has something to do with abortion laws perhaps?
57 Greyhound : For better or worse, BOTH our countries have the same problem. Unless you have some useful suggestion on how to better the situation... I'm all ears.
58 AA61Hvy : Are you going to say you're dad can beat my dad up next?
59 Post contains images Greyhound :
60 MD11Engineer : I think one reason is the binge drinking mentality over there, don´t fool yourself, even teenagers get booze, even though official drinking age is A
61 Myt332 : I've struck a nerve here, it's great. Let's see. Well it's a problem with modern society and frankly it's not my job to sort it out. Call me selfish b
62 AA61Hvy : Do you normally get into pissing matches across the Atlantic?
63 Post contains images Myt332 : Normally with you it seems. It's fairly amusing and it's always a good feeling to win. Maybe one day you'll know what I mean.
64 Post contains images AA61Hvy : This picture fits you to the T.
65 Myt332 : Sadly it seems you're getting confused between brain and brawn. You're so unfamiliar with one that you mistake everything for the other. Stick with sc
66 OzarkD9S : Back in the day father's would marry thier daughters off for a few cows when the girls were 14 or 15...culturally speaking, the age of consent laws ar
67 Post contains images CaptOveur : Talk about some minutia.. when are you two going to start measuring your dicks? Lighten up before I have to throw down some Eurotrip on you, which I w
68 Jamie757 : Stupid if you ask me, bunch of slags, and their mother must have an IQ of nil if she really blames the education system for this problem. I pity the
69 Post contains images Scbriml : The age of sexual consent in the UK is 16 not 18. Every time my wife gets guilty about how bad a parent she is, I point out to her that neither of ou
70 Post contains images Scbriml : Just spotted the names they've landed their kids with.
71 Post contains images ORFflyer : Is this why your A-Net membership has lapsed??
72 Slider : My first response is sheer outrage at the mother and rightfully so. Ignorant sow. Yeah lady, just run from your responsibility and blame someone else
73 Diesel1 : Which didn't stop one of the girls having 2 miscarriages and an abortion before she had her baby either....
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