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Paris To NY By Train/tunnel - Real Or Hype?  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Check this thingy out  Wow!

http://www.transatlantys.com/

UTA  checkeredflag 


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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Yeah that is nice. Can we have it in English as well please?  Wink

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Purely a topic of science fiction. No chance in hell getting it designed, built or financed.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Hahahah - yeah right ! I suspect this is a poisson d'avril - there is no possible way on Earth.

User currently offlineNumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

No chance, I guess/hope.
Maybe it's possible technically but there are lots of safety regulations and issues , f.e. how to put out the people if something happens in the tunnel (water, fire, etc).
Safetyregulations in lots of countries want to see evacuation plans.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Seen a documentary about that idea on Discovery once. Don't remember any exact numbers, but such a tunnel could cost several trillion dollars, essentially flowing in the sea and haing a train that would go Mach 7. And don't even ask for the billions of cubic meters of concrete needed. It's not gonna happen. It's a technical nightmare to construct and financially unacceptable. Hell, a bridge from Scotland via Iceland and Greenland to Canada would likely be more realistic.

User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Yeah, like an airplane cabin isn't claustrophic enough?

This seems like a wild idea that would come during the 1800's when trains became faster than oceanliners and no one could have imagined the ability to hop over the ocean at 600 mph.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

two words:

plate tectonics



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13808 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

It would be crossing an underwater mountain range which is about twice as high as the Alps and is at the same time one of the most geologically active zones on the earth. I don´t see it happen.

Jan


User currently offline707CMF From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I wondered the same thing, I saw the add on MSN as you might have done.

The website looks very profesionnal, it appears the project is already well advanced (if you read the website), already training the "pilots".

However, I also tried to google 'transatlantys' look at the results : http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=...lantys&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta=

For a 'project' this big, having strictly no web legacy gives it really little credibility, don't you think ?

Methinks it is an advertisement for SNCF (French Railway company - they own the Domain transatlantys.fr ), although I do not know for what yet.

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

I rather fly Boeing instead of a train under the Atlantic for 8 hours!

Micke//SE  airplane 



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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

It's been done before, sadly the long journey times meant it fell into disuse



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

It would could take 40+ years to construct and several TRILLION (xx,000,000,000,000) in today's costs, forget inflation, forget going to Mars, etc.

For circa 2005, I'm gonna say hype. Technically anything can be built with enough investment and belief in the project, but in this case they'd have to be crazy. Unless those investors are able to conivince any government affected by such a route to help fund such a project, it is not going to go beyond a simulation. I guaranetee and airline or aircraft company will lobby against such a project is they had enough influence within their respective governments.

That said, noting the size of the Atlantic, IMO, 600mph is not enough. We might as well spare no expense and have it be supersonic or better in a partial vaccum tube. Now that is crazy, why? Imagine how long it would take to evacuate even 90% of the air from a tube 30 feet wide and 15 million feet long...unless it were in sections with multiple pumps, while the tunnel is being built.

Operation would be like moving through a canal, except the route is one giant channel lock. After the train is boarded, it moves into a sealed chamber that depressurizes and a door opens in front and the sucker takeoff. As it approaches the other end it slows into another chamber that resets the pressure such that the train enters ambient pressure to begin unloading.

The micro pressure of the tunnel may allow a maglev to be powered by a two rocket motors with one at each engine, dual purpose and no fuel spent in between, or at least minimal. I think most of the time spent will be in the pressure differential chambers. To be efficient, all electrical power should come from geothermal stations below each tunnel break connected to the seafloor. Yeah, I'm having fun with this thread, been bored all summer break so far.  rotfl 

I'm guessing total time for a round trip being on the order of 4-5 hours for a train of length 1 kilometer with 2500 people aboard. Engines may require two space-shuttle-type-rockets to burn for 10 minutes to accelerate to a groundspeed eqivalent of M3. If the reverse engines do not fire I think for emergency the train will land on tracks and use its own knetic energy to power electro magnetic brakes for an emergency stop. Will it be enough? I donno, I haven't done the math yet, ya'll read pure brain barf.

Hold on, lemme do it up'n I'll get back to ya.  Smile



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

The technology isn't too advanced, but the cost kills it. I'd much rather see Governments stop looking downwards and start funding stuff like the proposed Space Elevator.

One day we need to be able to get off this rock. Getting off it is more important than moving about on it.


User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Instead of building a tunnel as "one", why not have it in sections, ie from Portugal to Azores, Azores to Bermuda then to the US.
Also was the Gibraltar straights bridge also deemed as economically impossible?


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3767 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Well, if you read that web site, it says that the construction will start in june 2005! Which means, like, next week!


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User currently offlineAirboeing From France, joined Apr 2005, 223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

What a big joke !!

-> The "pilot" says that to be able to "drive" such a train one need an 8-years training....Absurd !
-> The interview of "Sophie" : she says that she'll realise her dream : teaching english to the passengers during the trip... Absurd !
-> "François" talks about the 1st Class passengers who will have a massage-room, casino, pool, golf practice... doesn't that remind you something ? Big grin

Anymway,

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Purely a topic of science fiction

this is the kind of statments people made a few centuries ago talking about flying....



Some times my English is purely fonatiks...
User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

It would be more feasible to go via the UK, Faroe Islands, Iceland - where you can hop over the mid Atlantic ridge without trouble, across Greenland, then to Canada and down.

The longest tunnel would only be 200 miles long and 1,000 meters deep. Which is still a ridiculous idea.

The only scientifically (not financially) feasible way to connect Paris with New York is by going across Europe, through Russia, under the Bering Strait and down to New York.

And that would take about a 4 days to complete, so you might as well get a boat.

[Edited 2005-05-25 15:37:28]

User currently offlineAirboeing From France, joined Apr 2005, 223 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Sorry this article is in french only, but it prooves that this thing is a pure marketing coup for the SNCF :

http://www.hoaxbuster.com/hoaxliste/hoax.php?idArticle=37278

And, here is the same tunnel going from London to NY (again, in french, sorry) :

http://www.discoverychannel.fr/engineering/



Some times my English is purely fonatiks...
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Quoting Airboeing (Reply 16):
this is the kind of statments people made a few centuries ago talking about flying....

Sure. And science fiction is exactly what it was at that time! Big grin


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Well considering North America and Europe are getting centimetres farther away from each other each year, unless they plan on continously adding to the tunnel there's no way this could work.

LH423



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

there are various projects on this at the moment....

but who say's it science fiction? woudn't you say that as well as over the A380 50 years ago?


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

And you thought the Big Dig went over budget. crazy 

Logan


User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
No chance in hell getting it designed, built or financed.

With emphasis on the financing part, I agree. Can you imagine how much a ticket on this beast would be?

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 22):
And you thought the Big Dig went over budget.

That might be why they're routing it to New York, and not Boston.  rotfl  I keed, I keed.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

"science fiction" simply means it´s a fictional exploration of what might be. And yes, 50 years ago the A380 would have been science fiction.

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 25, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

I saw a documentary about this on discovery about 2 years ago. The idea was a suspended tunnel held down by cables... as some have mentioned. It's just a myth and probably always will be. Too many complications involved like tunnel withstanding the pressure, speed of the train, ships destroying the tunnel... etc...

But very nicely done april fools website indeed Big grin



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