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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Treasonous???? PULEEEEEEEZE!


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Bear in mind the whinger was a Republican from Alabama. 'Nuff said, methinks Big grin

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

This congressman needs to shut the fuck up. This is a free society. Criticism of the military and our leaders is allowed. This isn't some seig-heil state, where we put people behind bars for speaking their minds. At least that isn't the America I grew up in.

Another "our way or the highway" Republican, who wants to silence any opposition to the war in Iraq, or this administration's policies.

I guess he might as well charge me and half the country with treason, since our opposition to the war, in his view, probably undermines National Security.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Bear in mind the whinger was a Republican from Alabama

One of the first things I noticed. Someone needs to remind Rep. Bachus there is a difference between treason and freedom of speech.

And someone needs to remind other right-wing Alabama politicians there is separation of church and state.


User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Bill Maher. Spouting treason? Is that possible?!?!? Holy cow, lighten up, world! Listening to him, is like stepping into a shark tank. Chances are, you may have something you don't like, happen!

I disagree w/almost everything he says, but he has his moments. And he's not one of your typical comics who just says a lot of crap, for the quick laugh. He obviously thinks about what he's saying.

[Edited 2005-05-24 16:02:17]


If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Lets face it.

The hoodlums who were involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal, the military scumbags who murdered Barry Winchell, the servicemen who raped and abused women in Okinawa are the real douche bags and low-lying fruit.

Screw the political correctness we're now supposed to wrap ourselves in with respect to the military in that we're supposed to think that they're all paragons of virtue. They're not.

The military like any other institution of its kind has its share of dimwitted, ultraconservative sexist, racist, and homophobic scum.

If some of you want to worship these bottom feeders, so be it. The rest of us will continue to call them for what they are.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
This congressman needs to shut the fuck up. This is a free society.

Hypocrisy in one neat package. If this is a free society, why isn't the Congressman entitled to his opinion? Could it be that liberals only support freedom of expression when the opinion expressed agrees with them?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
Screw the political correctness we're now supposed to wrap ourselves in with respect to the military in that we're supposed to think that they're all paragons of virtue. They're not.

My opinion of the military forever changed when, at the same time you had the Tailhook scandal/coverup, and the quest to throw gays out of the military.

In the one, military brass stonewalled investigations into the fact that a bunch of young, straight, supposedly good young men had molsted and fondled women at a Vegas hotel, and in the other, some very good people serviing in the military were tossed simply because someone found out they were gay-never mind that many of them had served with honor and distinction.


User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 13):
If this is a free society, why isn't the Congressman entitled to his opinion?

Because the congressman is in a position of power and is advocating action against Maher for exercising his freedom of speech. I would call being charged by the government for treason and having the show pulled from the air to be more than just a congressman's freedom of speech.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 15):
Because the congressman is in a position of power and is advocating action against Maher for exercising his freedom of speech. I would call being charged by the government for treason and having the show pulled from the air to be more than just a congressman's freedom of speech.

But, he's a member of the MAJORITY party! He's allowed to do whatever he wants, because minority views don't matter!

Signed,

Pope


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 15):
I would call being charged by the government for treason and having the show pulled from the air to be more than just a congressman's freedom of speech.

It is a long-standing common law tradition that a member of Congress has absolute immunity to say whatever he want with respect to anything related to his duties - as absurd as it may be. I'm not defending the statement, its absurd, but I do have problem with liberals saying that they are the defenders of free speech but then only wanting to defend speech that agrees with them.

The Congressman has absolutely no authority to cause the prosecution of anyone for anything, let alone treason.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
He's allowed to do whatever he wants, because minority views don't matter!

I've never said that. Alphafalcon is the king of ducking the real issues and focusing attention on people who ask him to substantiate his ridiculous generalities.

I've challenged the falcon to offer a single opinion offered by Justice Scalia that demonstrates Scalia's purported "lunacy" but Alphafalcon has repeatedly ducked the issue. Instead of justifying his statement he wants to make the issue about me. Come on Alphafalcon, just one opinion to support your claim. It shouldn't be that hard, the man's been on the bench for over 20 years.


User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 17):
The Congressman has absolutely no authority to cause the prosecution of anyone for anything, let alone treason.

So, why are congressmen called lawmakers?



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User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
Him being a douchbag wasn't what the subject was about, James. It was wheather what he said was treasonous, which it's not, or if his show should be cancelled because of it-which it isn't (and if such a call isn't facism, I don't know what is.)

You should really get off of your high horse. This article is about a dumbass Alabama congressman overreacting to a dumbass comic with little talent. Figured you guys had the character assasination of the congressman taken care of...so I thought I would remind you folks what type of person Bill Maher is.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
Good-then why the hell didn't you say that, since it's on point, instead of the one-line idiocy you posted to begin with?

One line idocy...how is stating that Maher is a douchebag one line idiocy? Do you disagree with me?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
I don't care what you expect of me, James.

Well good...the feeling is mutual.

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 11):
Wrong!

Hmm...I think I am entitled to say as much or as little as I want as long as it conforms to the rules of this site. So yeah...enough was said.

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 11):
All we did was point out that you needed to say more and defend your point of view. Your stab and run tactics are not productive. Otherwise, don't complain when your vague attacks are criticized.

Why do I need to say more and defend my point of view? It isn't a stab and run tactic, I called a spade a spade...it's like saying 1+1=2. It is what it is.

Quoting Pope (Reply 13):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
This congressman needs to shut the fuck up. This is a free society.

Hypocrisy in one neat package. If this is a free society, why isn't the Congressman entitled to his opinion? Could it be that liberals only support freedom of expression when the opinion expressed agrees with them?

Now that is funny...and a good point.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 19):
So, why are congressmen called lawmakers?

Because "Corrupt Scum-sucking Trough-Snouting Toe-Rag" was too long to fit on the office door.


User currently offlineJamesAg96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 19):
Quoting Pope (Reply 17):
The Congressman has absolutely no authority to cause the prosecution of anyone for anything, let alone treason.

So, why are congressmen called lawmakers?

I noticed you used plural there...did you notice that?



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 20):
Why do I need to say more and defend my point of view?

I've been trying to drive home that point with a certain user who thinks he's a Pontiff.  Smile You do not, but I can grill you on it nonetheless, James. I know, as you said, you won't run and hide, and I do like that about you.

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 20):
It isn't a stab and run tactic, I called a spade a spade...it's like saying 1+1=2. It is what it is.

That is true, James. You are certainly no B757300, who doesn't defend his position after lobbing a grenade. You do defend your position, and do it usally very well. I may not agree with it 95% of the time, but you don't hide after making a stand. And I also tend to call a spade a spade, but I just think we're looking at spades in a different light.  Smile


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1222 times:

Hypocrisy in one neat package. If this is a free society, why isn't the Congressman entitled to his opinion? Could it be that liberals only support freedom of expression when the opinion expressed agrees with them?

Are you completely nuts?

Or completely oblivious of what free speech entails?

Or do people like you defend every nauseating right winger to the exclusion of common sense? (Imagine if some blowhard like Al Sharpton said the equivalent. You people would be having a Linda Blair moment.)

The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech."

So, no, this dumb Congressman is NOT "entitled to his opinion" especially since his opinion is illegal, violative of the Constitution, and of the oath of office he took. If he wants to air his opinion, he should quit his office and then he is entitled to flap his gums all he wants.

This guy not only puts the Alabama delegation and the GOP to shame, he puts his entire state in a bad light. Which, I suppose, isn't that hard to do given the shining light that is Alabama.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1201 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 24):
Or do people like you defend every nauseating right winger to the exclusion of common sense?

Jay, if you read the entirety of my reply #17 I clearly state that I am not defending his comment in fact, I call it "absurd".

However, I'm sure that you learned in law school that a member of Congress has an absolute privilege against slander and libel on these sorts of statements. Furthermore, he is entitled to voice his opinion, no matter how absurd and the people of AL are entitled to vote his ass out of office.

Please don't distort my statement.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1195 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
This congressman needs to shut the fuck up. This is a free society. Criticism of the military and our leaders is allowed. This isn't some seig-heil state, where we put people behind bars for speaking their minds. At least that isn't the America I grew up in.

Did not read the rest of the thread.....I just have one question. Does the right we possess of freedom of speech not extend to congressmen? I think that criticism of critics is fair game. To give the critic an unassailable perch is unreasonable.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1194 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 25):
However, I'm sure that you learned in law school that a member of Congress has an absolute privilege against slander and libel on these sorts of statements.

Slander? Lible? Of who? The Lynndie England's of the world, Pope? I didn't know it was a crime to critisize the armed forces of the United States, or the government this country. Indeed, WE, as the PEOPLE, have the privelage, and the right, if we see fit, to critisize our institutions. Yes, even when the majority party wants all Americans to see the military as some sort of sacred institution, we have the right to critisize both.

So the Congressman is the one in the wrong here. He has that hubris of power-thinking that his wish should be a command to others. It is a malady that many Republicans have these days, filled with the headiness of power-Bill Frist is a prime example. With power comes responsibility, and neither of these genetleman seem to want to wield it responsbily-they just want to wield it to the benefit of their party dogma.


User currently offlineSacflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 371 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1167 times:

Quoting JamesAg96 (Reply 22):
I noticed you used plural there...did you notice that?

Yes, I noticed it. I wrote it that way because there are more than one of them. I think that is when you are supposed to use the plural, aren't you?

Congressman = Lawmaker
Congressmen = Lawmakers

What's your point?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1159 times:

First the funny part:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
Quoting Sacflyer (Reply 19):
So, why are congressmen called lawmakers?

Because "Corrupt Scum-sucking Trough-Snouting Toe-Rag" was too long to fit on the office door.

Damn funny JGPPH1A . . . thanks for the wake up laugh.

Now for the thread . . . which went way off topic way too fast . . .

The Representative from Alabama is off his rocker . . . Bill Maher's commentary wasn't treasonous . . . not even close. The whole thing reminds me of some of the fights on A-Net - he said this and then he said that so now he's a dickhead . . . Ha Ha Ha . . .

I don't have an opinion about Maher either way . . . do like him, don't dislike him. If he blew off the planet tomorrow I probably wouldn't know . . . or give a hoot. . . .

Rep. Bachus, well, he's just a good ole boy from Alabama, and he's entitle to his opinion. Honestly, I never really heard much about the guy until today - went to read his bio, pretty uneventful, typical southern baptist Alabama politician . . .

This thread is a prime example of the "mountain out of mole hill" theory.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1159 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 27):
So the Congressman is the one in the wrong here.

There's no debate there Alphafalcon. I've stated it clearly at least three times on this thread. But as absurd and as wrong as his statement is, he's entitled to make it.

Again, my only point of disagreement with you (on this matter) is that you illustrate the hypocrisy of the left with respect to free speech. Specifically, that all speech should be free as long as it criticizes the right. However, any speech attacking a liberal position is unacceptable.

Finally, your hypocrisy is reaching epic proportions in this statement:


Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
You are certainly no B757300, who doesn't defend his position after lobbing a grenade. You do defend your position, and do it usally very well. I may not agree with it 95% of the time, but you don't hide after making a stand.

Didn't you lob the Scalia is a lunatic grenade and then refuse to defend the position? I'll give you a chance to redeem yourself, find one opinion from Scalia that you believe is lunatic and let's debate it. If you can't then aren't you the one lobbing the grenades and then running for cover?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1153 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 30):
Didn't you lob the Scalia is a lunatic grenade and then refuse to defend the position?

Dude, get over your obsession already. You're hounding me like a dog sniffing another dog's ass, for chrissake. I told you-I don't like him, I don't like what he stands for, that's all you're getting. I don't run and hide like B757300 who won't defend anything.

Now, I'm off to work-maybe you can find someone else's butt to sniff for the next 10 hours or so. Good God.  Silly


25 777236ER : As far as I can see, no one agrees with the Congressman. Arguing deep theological points about freedom, justice and law is a bit pointless, don't you
26 Pope : You only run and hide from things that you can't defend. You made the statement - either back it up or have the balls to admit that you were wrong. B
27 MattRB : Having the right does not alleviate one of responsibility for the things one says (the whole you can't yell 'Fire' in a crowded movie theater argument
28 Post contains images Dvk : Bacchus is my congressman If anyone's a douche bag, it's him.
29 Post contains images Tbar220 : So you like him right?
30 ANCFlyer : Dangit, those early morning, pre-coffee, just woke up posts . . .
31 Jaysit : However, I'm sure that you learned in law school that a member of Congress has an absolute privilege against slander and libel on these sorts of state
32 Pope : My comments were absolutely not directed at the fact that liberals were not coming to this man's defense in the cause of free speech. Instead, and ba
33 KFLLCFII : Point #1, quoting Bill Maher: "More people joined the Michael Jackson fan club," Maher said of the Army's low recruitment numbers for April. "We've do
34 Dvk : Personally, I wish Bachus WOULD shut the f**k up. I wish Jeff Sessions would shut the f**k up. I wish Gerald Allen would shut the f**k up. I wish Roy
35 Jaysit : The congressman did NOT make a law abridging the freedom of speech, so therefore what he said (and his overall opinion) is NOT unconstitutional, and i
36 Pope : So instead of the "right wing nuts" he constantly bashes determining what views are worthy of defending or not, Jay wants to be the sole arbiter. As
37 Pope : I searched on Amazon. I think the book's name is "Contrary to Popular Opinion". It's from 1992 so it's in the right time frame.
38 Post contains links Pope : Here's the link to the dissent http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...=US&vol=000&invol=02-102#dissent1. What in particular are you referring to when
39 Jaysit : So instead of the "right wing nuts" he constantly bashes determining what views are worthy of defending or not, Jay wants to be the sole arbiter. You'
40 Jaysit : What in particular are you referring to when you say, "Nothing he said was based on law," because it seems that everything he says refers to legal hol
41 L.1011 : Exactly. Right on the money. There is no greater crime against freedom than censorship.
42 Pope : So according to your argument any Congressman that stated his opposition to slavery prior to the ratification of the 13th amendment was advocating th
43 KFLLCFII : Agreed. Agreed. Rhetorical, but agreed in the rhetorical sense. Agreed. I agree that what he said is probably unbecoming of a U.S. Congressman, but t
44 Jaysit : The reason the left hates Scalia so much is that he votes to interpret the Constitution as written instead of interpreting it in order to support what
45 DL021 : "Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., takes issue with remarks on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, first aired May 13, in which Maher points out the Army miss
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