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4-6 Million Votes Not Counted In 2000 Pres. Vote!  
User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Hey,

I just saw this on CNN. They said 4 to 6 million votes were not counted during the 2000 presidential election. Anyone have any more news on this?

BTW, sorry to start another vote thing, but this is big!

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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 932 times:

No offense, but I find this statement to be Bullshit. What I saw on CNN was facts found out about the Florida vote count, which sowed if all the votes were counted correctly, Bush would have still won Florida, albeit by 25something votes.

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 929 times:

Yeah.

It was on the bottom line in yellow.

Anyone else seen it yet?


User currently offlineMls515 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Just when I thought I'd never hear about this again!

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 921 times:

Yeah for some reason my vote wasn't counted, couldn't think why  Confused



User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Damn that sucks!!! Bush would've beaten Gore by thousands more if these had been counted!!
Phooey!



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 913 times:

Uh-oh,

I think I just started another Democrat vs. Republican topic which will have 300 replies of people fighting before it's deleted.


Ooops.

LOL


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 906 times:

It's not big, at all, in my view. The election is over, why stir up the pot after the fact. George Walker Bush was our Constitutionally elected president. Everyone needs to move on.

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 891 times:

OK, so Gore should have been President and I am someone who conservatives like JetService would call a "bleeding-heart liberal." But I am sick of this election garbage and one must remember that the number of votes higher than what his opponent received that Gore received is equivalent to 1% of the U.S. population. So when will people just get over with the election business and move on? You can't change the past you know.

User currently offlineJohn Edwards From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 887 times:

I will never move on. I will talk and scream about this for the rest of my life.

How could you guys just look at that and say, "Let's forget about it."

When votes aren't counted, there is the potential of getting someone in office who is not what the Amercian poeple wanted.

I think that's what happened this time.


User currently offlineUSAir_757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 889 times:

I am sick of all this election garbage. Like it or not, George W. Bush is our president now. I personaly am proud of that. I am a 100% republican and being 8 years under democrats was too much for me, let alone 12 and then possibly 16.

I am not 'flaming' democrats, I respect gore supporters equally.

Will you people please move on.



-Cullen Wassell @ MLI | Pentax K5 + DA18-55WR + Sigma 70-300 DL Macro Super
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Mr. Edwards, we can forget about it because it doesn't matter now!! It's over!! It's finished!! Mr Gore is teaching. If it mattered now, he'd be sitting in the White House!! Drop it, already, and move on!!!

User currently offlineNJTurnpike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 887 times:

Good grief, this is like eating some bad pizza and then have it repeat on you...some 8 months later. It's done, finished, over. Truly, this will be consigned to the history books for tomorrow's generation to mull, scratch their heads over and base their homework on. So let's leave it there, eh?



User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 886 times:

I would like this to end as well.

I just thought I would share what I saw about it on CNN.

Sorry.

 Sad


User currently offlineJohn Edwards From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Stop telling me to get over it. I will never get over it.

If we sweep this under the rug, 6 million people will be disenfranchised next time. What happened in 2000 was huge. It's still unbelievable to me, how the presidency was decided by voting epuipment in Miami (That's just one of the many reasons why this thing was messed up).

It will hurt no one to spend the money on election reform.

AL GORE 2004!


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Although there is no word in the English language to describe how much I despise Bush, and I do think that Gore was cheated out of being President by Bush's ring of conservative buddies in Florida, it is time to move on. Like it or not, the idiot is our president.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 878 times:

Hey Johnny Boy, your doctor called and said that your blood pressure is getting a little high. Calm down before you have a heart attack.

BTW, notice how he thinks all the votes were for Al Gore?



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 878 times:

Stuff like that cba is the reason I took you off my respected users list. I can respect difference of opinions but not the venom I see on this forum from Sore Loserman liberals.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 878 times:



BTW, I didn't vote for Gore either. I voted for Ralph Nader.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6327 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 869 times:

I'd say it's most likely true. 4-6 million not counted in 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988 etc etc. GWB is the, ahem, ELECTED POUS. I wish however that it were GHWB instead, (his daddy for those that don't know). G Sr was the only president we've had in this country in the last 40 years that knew his ass from a hole in the ground. (respectful nod to James Earl Carter, a great man and good president. Just bad timing for him)


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineUA752 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 870 times:

I cant believe how all you people are just saying...."oh shit, lets just forget about it!".....How can you possibly say that?? If we all just forget about it then what is going to stop anorther fiasco like this from happening again? Im not at all saying that we should be dwelling on it but there is no way that anyone should "forget about it". This past election was probably the worst process in our nations history of electing leaders. We all need to learn a lesson from this. And about that 4-6 million votes thing, how the hell can some people say that we should just ignore them and just disregaurd them because, "they all would have been votes for Bush anyways". Thats total bullshit! If you actually count them and they are in fact votes for bush, then hay, thats just fine and dandy. But you cant just not count them!! Thats so kurrupt and the people that didnt count these votes are denying 4-6 million people their constitutional right to having a say in the gov't. Thats what is bullshit. 4-6 million votes may have just made the difference in this election. And to all those who are gonna get on my ass about "crying, and whining" about the election, you all know god damn well that you would have the same feelings if your candidate didnt have the opportunity to have 4-6 million votes counted.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.


Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 867 times:

You people don't even know your own laws...

When one candidate has reached a certain majority in a state (i.e. has over X percent (X > 50) of all votes cast counted for him/her/it) the vote is terminated as there is no point in going on (the other candidate can never get a majority anymore).
This can in theory lead to a state where say 20 million votes were cast going to a candidate with over 9 million votes not counted.
X can differ between states, as election law differs between states.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineTwotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 865 times:

As much as you bleeding hearts want to believe it, every vote does NOT count! This is because our government was established as a Republic, NOT a democracy. I'll say the again for you really dim witted people. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. The fact that our government was formed as a Republic was painfully deliberate. The founding fathers knew that true democracy is always doomed to failure. Fact is, popular vote doesn't matter a damn and it's a good thing it doesn't. Otherwise, every President we had would be elected by the densely populated East Coast and those of us in remotely populated areas such as alaska would have no say and no representation. We have to go back to JR. High civics I guess. As to the mysterious 2 million uncounted votess, if you had listened to the whole story you would have found that vast numbers of these were votes from overseas personnell who traditionally vote republican. No wonder sore-loserman didn't make a big issue out of this. The other votes came largely from inner city districts and were a result of improperly marked ballots. Voting is a right which carries a responsibility. Learning how to fill out your ballot properly is part of this responsibility. If you can't do it correctly, then, no, your vote will not and should not be counted. Those tallying ballots have no ability nor legal right to "interperet" what a disenfranchised voter "meant" to vote for. Nor do you have a right to scream you couldn't figure it out AFTER the votes are tallied and you don't like the result. If you really can't figure it out, ask one of the people working the polling place to help out.

User currently offlineJohn Edwards From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 862 times:

I'm glad to know you're happy we don't live in a democracy. And we all know that we don't. We all know that we're screwed by the electoral college.

You said that if it weren't for the EC, you would have no representation. WELL YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION BECAUSE ALASKA HAS 3 PEOPLE, and CALIFORNIA HAS 33 MILLION. Why do you feel that you deserve more representation, simply because of the way the borders were drawn?

You think you have more voting power than everyone on the east coast?

I bet this won't make you happy;
Some homeless person in D.C. (which voted 86% for Al Gore) is more powerful than you are. The population of D.C. is 572,059 while that of Alaska is 626,932. Yet, both have 3 electoral votes! D.C. was raised to your level.

I can't wait. I JUST CAN'T WAIT until the Republicans lose an election because of the popular vote (it will happen). I am going to laugh in all of your faces and then go hide behind the constitution.

You know it's wrong, and you know you only support it because George Bush won.





25 AA@STL : Twotterwrench, From the things you say, you seem exactly like the type of person who messes up his ballot, everytime. And, I'm not ashamed to defend y
26 John Edwards : HA! You know what else I just found out, Census 2000 (results released in 2001) Populations: Texas: 20,852,820 people New York: 18,976,457 people But,
27 Twotterwrench : Ummmmm.... the whole argument you are making is EXACTLY why a Republic is needed. It is the only way you can even remotely level the playing field so
28 IMissPiedmont : Where on earth did you get such a ridiculous piece of misinformation? All votes are counted, or are supposed to be, regardless of whether they mean an
29 Matt D : Twotterwrench said: "As much as you bleeding hearts want to believe it, every vote does NOT count! This is because our government was established as a
30 Macyjet : John Edwards, you are an idoit!!! I'm usually subdued but stupid statements like that can not go unchallenged. The electoral college itself is unconst
31 Alpha 1 : A few points here, folks. Those 6 million votes were NOT all from overseas, as Twotterwrench, ever the blind one-sider, would have us believe. They're
32 JetService : John, when you see a ballot that looks like one of the following, whom do you count it for? ------------------------ [ ] - George Bush [ ] - Al Gore -
33 Cfalk : Alpha, Amen to your last point. But you DO live in a republic. Picking up my trusty dictionary: Republic a government in which supreme power resides i
34 Post contains images Superfly : To all of our fellow members out in rural America. What do you thing the US Senate was established for? It was so smaller rural states would have the
35 JetService : Cfalk, right. A Republic is a Democracy, but a Democracy is not always a Republic. Well put.
36 Superfly : What difference does any of this makes? WE'RE ALL SCREWED! ! ! ! ! ! !
37 Cfalk : Superfly, You are being facetious, I'm sure. Bush won according to the LAW. Gore supporters wanted Gore to win (natch) out of PRINCIPLE - i.e. forget
38 Post contains images Superfly : Cfalk: You are right! Thank God we have US Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), who is making it a top priority to eliminate the electoral college!
39 JetService : Superfly, do you support the abolishment of Electoral College? Sorry if you've expressed that before.
40 John Edwards : I love Hillary.
41 John Edwards : I support its abolishment!
42 Post contains images Superfly : JetService: I support a system where the people choose who there leaders are. Just as we do with Senators, Governors, Sheriffs and just about all othe
43 Post contains images Cfalk : Superfly, Now that you have admitted that Bush won according to the law, I hope that's the last we will hear of accusations of Bush cheating - after a
44 JetService : I'm on the fence with the Electoral College. I can say one thing. Going to popular vote could make things even messier when it comes to undervotes. Im
45 Post contains images Superfly : Cfalk: Thanks for the complement! JetService: With all votes counted, maybe there would have been a clear decisive winner. That way neither side could
46 JetService : Superfly, popular or electoral, the 2000 election would have been a mess because of voting machines that allowed people to make mistakes. The electron
47 N400QX : Not to be technical, but we live in a Constitutional Republic. Not a democracy... nothing close. Democracy = tyrrany of the majority
48 NBC News1 : Democracy = tyrrany of the majority? So you believe that the minority should pick, rather than the majority? The electoral college was not created in
49 JetService : NBC News1, I think he means representatives of the majority should pick.
50 Post contains images Superfly : JetService: Then how in the hell did Dan Quayle get elected if the ballots are 'fool-proof'?
51 Post contains images JetService : LOL Superfly!! Just for that, I'm sending you a Dan Quayle Museum bumper-sticker for you station-wagon.
52 Post contains images Superfly : JetService: I don't own a station wagon yet! I just keep saying to myself; KEEP HOPE ALIVE! ! !
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