KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1628 times:
No offense, but I find this statement to be Bullshit. What I saw on CNN was facts found out about the Florida vote count, which sowed if all the votes were counted correctly, Bush would have still won Florida, albeit by 25something votes.
Tupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1587 times:
OK, so Gore should have been President and I am someone who conservatives like JetService would call a "bleeding-heart liberal." But I am sick of this election garbage and one must remember that the number of votes higher than what his opponent received that Gore received is equivalent to 1% of the U.S. population. So when will people just get over with the election business and move on? You can't change the past you know.
USAir_757 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
I am sick of all this election garbage. Like it or not, George W. Bush is our president now. I personaly am proud of that. I am a 100% republican and being 8 years under democrats was too much for me, let alone 12 and then possibly 16.
I am not 'flaming' democrats, I respect gore supporters equally.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
Mr. Edwards, we can forget about it because it doesn't matter now!! It's over!! It's finished!! Mr Gore is teaching. If it mattered now, he'd be sitting in the White House!! Drop it, already, and move on!!!
NJTurnpike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
Good grief, this is like eating some bad pizza and then have it repeat on you...some 8 months later. It's done, finished, over. Truly, this will be consigned to the history books for tomorrow's generation to mull, scratch their heads over and base their homework on. So let's leave it there, eh?
John Edwards From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1581 times:
Stop telling me to get over it. I will never get over it.
If we sweep this under the rug, 6 million people will be disenfranchised next time. What happened in 2000 was huge. It's still unbelievable to me, how the presidency was decided by voting epuipment in Miami (That's just one of the many reasons why this thing was messed up).
It will hurt no one to spend the money on election reform.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4534 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
Although there is no word in the English language to describe how much I despise Bush, and I do think that Gore was cheated out of being President by Bush's ring of conservative buddies in Florida, it is time to move on. Like it or not, the idiot is our president.
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6544 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1565 times:
I'd say it's most likely true. 4-6 million not counted in 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988 etc etc. GWB is the, ahem, ELECTED POUS. I wish however that it were GHWB instead, (his daddy for those that don't know). G Sr was the only president we've had in this country in the last 40 years that knew his ass from a hole in the ground. (respectful nod to James Earl Carter, a great man and good president. Just bad timing for him)
The day you stop learning is the day you should die.
UA752 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
I cant believe how all you people are just saying...."oh shit, lets just forget about it!".....How can you possibly say that?? If we all just forget about it then what is going to stop anorther fiasco like this from happening again? Im not at all saying that we should be dwelling on it but there is no way that anyone should "forget about it". This past election was probably the worst process in our nations history of electing leaders. We all need to learn a lesson from this. And about that 4-6 million votes thing, how the hell can some people say that we should just ignore them and just disregaurd them because, "they all would have been votes for Bush anyways". Thats total bullshit! If you actually count them and they are in fact votes for bush, then hay, thats just fine and dandy. But you cant just not count them!! Thats so kurrupt and the people that didnt count these votes are denying 4-6 million people their constitutional right to having a say in the gov't. Thats what is bullshit. 4-6 million votes may have just made the difference in this election. And to all those who are gonna get on my ass about "crying, and whining" about the election, you all know god damn well that you would have the same feelings if your candidate didnt have the opportunity to have 4-6 million votes counted.
Jwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
You people don't even know your own laws...
When one candidate has reached a certain majority in a state (i.e. has over X percent (X > 50) of all votes cast counted for him/her/it) the vote is terminated as there is no point in going on (the other candidate can never get a majority anymore).
This can in theory lead to a state where say 20 million votes were cast going to a candidate with over 9 million votes not counted.
X can differ between states, as election law differs between states.
Twotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
As much as you bleeding hearts want to believe it, every vote does NOT count! This is because our government was established as a Republic, NOT a democracy. I'll say the again for you really dim witted people. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY. The fact that our government was formed as a Republic was painfully deliberate. The founding fathers knew that true democracy is always doomed to failure. Fact is, popular vote doesn't matter a damn and it's a good thing it doesn't. Otherwise, every President we had would be elected by the densely populated East Coast and those of us in remotely populated areas such as alaska would have no say and no representation. We have to go back to JR. High civics I guess. As to the mysterious 2 million uncounted votess, if you had listened to the whole story you would have found that vast numbers of these were votes from overseas personnell who traditionally vote republican. No wonder sore-loserman didn't make a big issue out of this. The other votes came largely from inner city districts and were a result of improperly marked ballots. Voting is a right which carries a responsibility. Learning how to fill out your ballot properly is part of this responsibility. If you can't do it correctly, then, no, your vote will not and should not be counted. Those tallying ballots have no ability nor legal right to "interperet" what a disenfranchised voter "meant" to vote for. Nor do you have a right to scream you couldn't figure it out AFTER the votes are tallied and you don't like the result. If you really can't figure it out, ask one of the people working the polling place to help out.
John Edwards From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1558 times:
I'm glad to know you're happy we don't live in a democracy. And we all know that we don't. We all know that we're screwed by the electoral college.
You said that if it weren't for the EC, you would have no representation. WELL YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION BECAUSE ALASKA HAS 3 PEOPLE, and CALIFORNIA HAS 33 MILLION. Why do you feel that you deserve more representation, simply because of the way the borders were drawn?
You think you have more voting power than everyone on the east coast?
I bet this won't make you happy;
Some homeless person in D.C. (which voted 86% for Al Gore) is more powerful than you are. The population of D.C. is 572,059 while that of Alaska is 626,932. Yet, both have 3 electoral votes! D.C. was raised to your level.
I can't wait. I JUST CAN'T WAIT until the Republicans lose an election because of the popular vote (it will happen). I am going to laugh in all of your faces and then go hide behind the constitution.
You know it's wrong, and you know you only support it because George Bush won.
: Twotterwrench, From the things you say, you seem exactly like the type of person who messes up his ballot, everytime. And, I'm not ashamed to defend y
26 John Edwards
: HA! You know what else I just found out, Census 2000 (results released in 2001) Populations: Texas: 20,852,820 people New York: 18,976,457 people But,
: Ummmmm.... the whole argument you are making is EXACTLY why a Republic is needed. It is the only way you can even remotely level the playing field so
: Where on earth did you get such a ridiculous piece of misinformation? All votes are counted, or are supposed to be, regardless of whether they mean an
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: Twotterwrench said: "As much as you bleeding hearts want to believe it, every vote does NOT count! This is because our government was established as a
: John Edwards, you are an idoit!!! I'm usually subdued but stupid statements like that can not go unchallenged. The electoral college itself is unconst
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: A few points here, folks. Those 6 million votes were NOT all from overseas, as Twotterwrench, ever the blind one-sider, would have us believe. They're
: John, when you see a ballot that looks like one of the following, whom do you count it for? ------------------------ [ ] - George Bush [ ] - Al Gore -
: Alpha, Amen to your last point. But you DO live in a republic. Picking up my trusty dictionary: Republic a government in which supreme power resides i
: To all of our fellow members out in rural America. What do you thing the US Senate was established for? It was so smaller rural states would have the
: Cfalk, right. A Republic is a Democracy, but a Democracy is not always a Republic. Well put.
: What difference does any of this makes? WE'RE ALL SCREWED! ! ! ! ! ! !
: Superfly, You are being facetious, I'm sure. Bush won according to the LAW. Gore supporters wanted Gore to win (natch) out of PRINCIPLE - i.e. forget
: Cfalk: You are right! Thank God we have US Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY), who is making it a top priority to eliminate the electoral college!
: Superfly, do you support the abolishment of Electoral College? Sorry if you've expressed that before.