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EU Constitution:What If France Says "No"?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

I would like to ask you folks who live in the EU what will happen if the French say "No" to the constitution....which is quite likely !

Will the EU constitution be adopted anyways?
And if yes what will France do ?
or
Simply, will it be aborted?

Please tell me since my lack of EU experience leads me to ignore some of these points. Thanks in Advance

[Edited 2005-05-26 09:15:02]


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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Will the EU constitution be adopted anyways?

Not in its current form as it needs to be ratified by the 25 member states to be adopted.

Personally I shall vote a big resounding NO on Sunday.

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

The rest of the EU will invade them..
And the beginning of WW IV will happen  Wink


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5718 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

I think France should be isolated, put under extreme pressure by the rest of the EU maybe be subject to some diplomatic sanctions - you know the way any small country would end up if THEY'd dare to disagree with the Chirac-Schroeder version of the future of the EU.
It certainly will be a lot of fun to see Chirac after his own people will shoot down his brainchild.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
I think France should be isolated, put under extreme pressure by the rest of the EU maybe be subject to some diplomatic sanctions - you know the way any small country would end up if THEY'd dare to disagree with the Chirac-Schroeder version of the future of the EU.
It certainly will be a lot of fun to see Chirac after his own people will shoot down his brainchild.

Tsk tsk, you KNOW that's not how it works. Europe is run for the personal convenience of France, any benefits derived by other countries is purely incidental and should not be taken as an acknowledgement of their right to expect such benefits except at the whim of France. Does the name Napoleon mean nothing to you people ?!

 Big grin

I too will laugh like a drain if the NO wins - just to see Chirac look more like a knob than usual.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 2):
The rest of the EU will invade them..
And the beginning of WW IV will happen

When was WWIII ?

Axel



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
It certainly will be a lot of fun to see Chirac after his own people will shoot down his brainchild.

Chirac said he would step down if the "No" prevailed -now that could just backfire on him  Wink

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 5):
When was WWIII ?

Thats what I like to call the War on Terror  Wink


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting OYRJA (Reply 7):
Thats what I like to call the War on Terror

You mean the War on Tourism ?


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

I don't know what will happen. But an observer could get the impression everytime it becomes serious with Europe the French get cold feet.

pelican


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
Does the name Napoleon mean nothing to you people ?!

Are you suggesting we can lock Chirac away on a small Atlantic island?

People of France: Your opportunity is clear! Big grin



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Are you suggesting we can lock Chirac away on a small Atlantic island?

Feel free - don't let us stand in your way ! As long as you send Mr Blair with him (they SO deserve each other !)


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
Feel free - don't let us stand in your way ! As long as you send Mr Blair with him (they SO deserve each other !)

I don't think there's an equivalent historical precedent. We could lock him away in Chequers, but it isn't quite the same. That's what comes of France continually losing to us all these centuries.  Wink



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
I don't think there's an equivalent historical precedent

Damn.

You'll have to make TB the EU Fisheries Minister or something, that's the 21st century political equivalent of St. Helena  Smile


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 13):
You'll have to make TB the EU Fisheries Minister or something

Or perhaps the EU Foreign Affairs chief. Responsibility without power, the prerogative of the eunuch through all history.  Wink



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 14):
Responsibility without power, the prerogative of the eunuch through all history.

Sounds like our Tone, all right ! Thing is, he's after the EU President job, and Foreign Bod would be one step away - don't encourage him ! Nothing more powerful than Fisheries or Gender Issues (whatever they call it these days).


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):

Tsk tsk, you KNOW that's not how it works. Europe is run for the personal convenience of France, any benefits derived by other countries is purely incidental and should not be taken as an acknowledgement of their right to expect such benefits except at the whim of France. Does the name Napoleon mean nothing to you people ?!

 rotfl  Do you think he will try to arrange for his burial at Les Invalides?

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Chirac said he would step down if the "No" prevailed

You would think he would have learned after the last time he made a rash move and had to cohabitate.

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):

Are you suggesting we can lock Chirac away on a small Atlantic island?

Well, he's going to have to move somewhere outside of EU jurisdiction after he loses the protection of the Presidency. I have little doubt that his political enemies will go after him for the money scandals as soon as practicable.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 6):
Chirac said he would step down if the "No" prevailed -now that could just backfire on him

Sounds like he missed a perfectly good opportunity to shut up.  Wink

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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Are you suggesting we can lock Chirac away on a small Atlantic island?

Ummm, isn't Corsica in the Mediterranean?
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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 18):
Ummm, isn't Corsica in the Mediterranean?

I suppose we could send Chirac there - I'll phone the Corsican seperatists and make sure they have enough limpet mines  Smile


User currently onlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5399 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 18):
Ummm, isn't Corsica in the Mediterranean?

Napoleon was born on Corsica, but the site of his 2nd (and final) exile was on St. Helena, an island in the South Atlantic. This was after he escaped from the site of his 1st exile, Elba, which is in the Mediterranean.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 20):
This was after he escaped from the site of his 1st exile, Elba, which is in the Mediterranean.

Small, pointless historical fact. Following his escape from Elba, Napoleon landed to rapturous greeting at Golfe Juan, which is 2 km or so from where I live. The landing is re-enacted every year, just to rub it in.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 20):
Napoleon was born on Corsica, but the site of his 2nd (and final) exile was on St. Helena, an island in the South Atlantic. This was after he escaped from the site of his 1st exile, Elba, which is in the Mediterranean.

Ahhhh, thanks for clearing that up. Got Elba and Corsica confused. That makes much more sense.

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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

It's all academic anyway. If the French don't kick it out, the Dutch will. And us lot certainly won't have any truck with it as things stand.

The whole Constitution thing can be summed up as "an opportunity missed", as it doesn't address the fundamental misgivings too many people have with the EU. So screw it.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 13):
You'll have to make TB the EU Fisheries Minister or something,

Don't mention Fisheries Ministers and EU when there's a Cornishman around. bloody quotas, bloody Spaniards  grumpy 

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
Are you suggesting we can lock Chirac away on a small Atlantic island?

Feel free - don't let us stand in your way ! As long as you send Mr Blair with him (they SO deserve each other !)

Can we make some space for Berlesconi too ??



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
25 JGPH1A : What did the Spanish do ? Were they using long lines to catch spawning pasties before they had reached their ancestral breeding grounds ? Tsk tsk.
26 Post contains images Cornish : Pinched all our fish - rotten b***ards
27 Post contains links Iakobos : Pure modesty likely...JPG failed to mention he plays an important role in the re-enaction. If my sources are correct, he is lead fife in the glorious
28 Post contains images Iakobos : Easier like that..
29 JGPH1A : Well naturally they asked me to play Napoleon, owing to my charisma, charm, leadership abilities and overwhelming modesty, but I refuse to be associa
30 Post contains images Cornish : Are you sure it wasn't because you're about 4 ft tall
31 JGPH1A : I am beautifully proportioned I'll have you know ! Peeg from 'ell...
32 Post contains images Iakobos : Sorry, I mixed the picture of "courtes bottes" (short boots) with the one of JGP. Noone can deny there is no strlking resemblance with the genuine "gr
33 Post contains images JGPH1A : Right - you're off my birthday cake list too ! I officially hate you :P
34 Garnetpalmetto : Dude, Napoleon just robbed the cradle...I don't think he ever robbed the pasture in his life. Going back on topic, while in practice France's rejecti
35 OO-VEG : The Netherlands is heading for a "No" as well. Next week is the referendum and the mayority is against the proposed constitution.
36 JCS17 : Well, it's already being reported that there is no chance at all for French voters to approve the constitution. I think that a "no" vote from France i
37 Banco : Hmm. The EU doesn't have much of a record of accepting the will of the people, scrapping any idea they've come up with and starting afresh. No, what
38 RootsAir : Its so unfair some people get to vote by referendum and others not
39 Post contains images Oldeuropean : You better call it: VietnamII Axel
40 JGPH1A : That's quite a checklist, mister ! Let's see... venereal disease - NO !! Euww. rampant egomania - Heaven forfend !! Moi ? delusions of grandeur on a
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