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DeLay Goes Ballistic Over "Law And Order"  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

This guy is just too damned sensetive for his own good!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/27/delay.law.order/index.html

Lighten up Tom! Although I guess you could call for the show to be banned, in good old neocon style.  Silly

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

All the fervent denials from NBC and the producers are a bit disingenuous. It so WAS a political comment (and a damn funny one  rotfl  Wink

Tom Delay is a fascist. This is official.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Maybe they did, but this guy has better things to do than to worry about what a fictional show says about him. That's just pure bullshit.

And I agree with you. He's a fascist, which is why the neocons love him.


User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Why do Republicans get all hysterical over s*** like this? I'M one, and I just expect the barbs when I watch TV. This has been going on since Ronnie was in the White House in the 80's.

Did I find it offensive? No.

Holy crap, Tom, if you can't take the heat...

And then, think of this: One of the highest rated shows on TV, right now has a NRA card carrying Republican as a main character. "Bree Van De Kamp" on "Desperate Housewives"! THAT ought to even things out, right? Right???



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Sheesh... I understood it in the context of the show. He should, too. (Then again, they've never dropped *my* name in Law & Order...)


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Tom Delay is a fascist. This is official.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
And I agree with you. He's a fascist, which is why the neocons love him.

If you guys really think Tom DeLay is a fascist then neither of you know what a fascist is, and I know thats not true. You both know better and are taking the facile route to potstirring. Be accurate in your name calling, because he is a fascist the same way Hillary Clinton is a communist.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 3):
Holy crap, Tom, if you can't take the heat...

Thats true, seeing as he is a politician. However, if someone equated me with a constitution circumventing murderer I'd probably be a little pissed myself

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 3):
right now has a NRA card carrying Republican as a main character. "Bree Van De Kamp" on "Desperate Housewives"! THAT ought to even things out, right? Right???

Except that she, like all the other characters on that show, is an unrealistic and overblown nutcase. I watch the show with my wife on Sundays, and I usually get irritated....although I do think that two thirds of the women on that show are hot.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
If you guys really think Tom DeLay is a fascist then neither of you know what a fascist is, and I know thats not true.

A guy who threatens judges, Ian, because they don't make decisions he likes, is a fascist.

A guy who threatens and belittles the loyal opposition, because they dare oppose his party, is a fascist.

A guy who stands up with the gun lobby, and says "in times of trouble, it's nice to be surrounded by frneds who are armed", is a fascist.

He's a little dictator. He no more believes in democracy than did those who ran Nazi Germany. He and others like him are a threat to freedom in this country-to the benefits of a two-party system, to an independent judiciary, to anything that is decent in this country, Ian.

Not a fascist? On this one, you're dead wrong, friend.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
Be accurate in your name calling, because he is a fascist the same way Hillary Clinton is a communist.

Hillary doesn't go threatening judges and the oppostion-and networks. So you tongue-in-cheek isn't even accurate on this one, Ian.

I stand by what I said, and I'll add guys like Santorum and Ashcroft into that mix as well.


User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
However, if someone equated me with a constitution circumventing murderer I'd probably be a little pissed myself

Betcha "Dubya" probably feels that way. But it's part of politics. Did Ted Kennedy cry when SNL did a pretty nasty gag about his driving abilities in 1980. Not that I can recall. I have seen and heard far worse out of both sides of the aisle.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
I watch the show with my wife on Sundays, and I usually get irritated....although I do think that two thirds of the women on that show are hot.

Me, too, on all of what you said. But, it's H-O-L-L-Y-W-O-O-D. I'm a Republican, and according to Hollywood, I should dress like a 1984 yuppie, talk like Thurston Howell, drive a Rolls, and not give a crap about anyone who isn't a member at my country club. Well, Hollywood ain't right on any of the above counts, and I just expect that.

And, actually, the DeLay line went by so fast, I about missed it.


Might as well cut Dick Wolf and the L&O family some slack, "Trial By Jury " got cancelled.....

[Edited 2005-05-27 16:23:11]


If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
A guy who threatens judges, Ian, because they don't make decisions he likes, is a fascist.

Tell me....is he threatening them physically or is he questioning their judgements...as you often do with people who think differently than you.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
A guy who threatens and belittles the loyal opposition, because they dare oppose his party, is a fascist.

You often belittle your opposition, but the question of threatening...how exactly has he threatened them?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
A guy who stands up with the gun lobby, and says "in times of trouble, it's nice to be surrounded by frneds who are armed", is a fascist.

You make jokes around your friends all the time that could easily be taken out of context and blown up out of proportion. He was under assault from his political enemies for behaving the same way that they do, only in the other direction, and he was being welcomed by a group that works to defend ideals with which he holds, and felt comfortable.


Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
He's a little dictator. He no more believes in democracy than did those who ran Nazi Germany. He and others like him are a threat to freedom in this country-to the benefits of a two-party system, to an independent judiciary, to anything that is decent in this country, Ian.

To refer to the guy with a Chaplinesque name as another Hitler is just completey wrong. He may be an asshole, but no more than Terry whatshisname or Ted Kennedy from the Democrats. He is a product of the two party system, and the primary reason Democrats don't like him is that he outdoes them at their own games. A fascist is one who wishes to claim all power to the government and destroys all freedom to do so. Go back and re-read the definition and then come back with an Oxford definition as well as examples of DeLays actions that show him to be fascist.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
Hillary doesn't go threatening judges and the oppostion-and networks. So you tongue-in-cheek isn't even accurate on this one, Ian.

No...she merely fired people because she wanted to turn offices political, she wanted to radically reform health care, with no mandate or background for it, she made broad and paranoid, and wrong, declarations of her husbands fidelity while accusiing a mythical "vast right-wing conspiracy" of making it all up. She remade herself into a New Yorker in order to collect her payoff from the Democrats for supporting her husband and not dumping his ass, and got the city of New York to elect her Senator (only after Giuliani was forced out by cancer), and she was unable to find documents being subpoenaed that were in her possession, as they tended to incriminate her. She avoided being implicated in financial scandal by the grace of a woman who would not rat her out, and she is a well known liar......see the example of her telling the New Zealanders that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary.

All that said...she is not a communist, just as DeLay is no fascist.
Go get the examples I asked for and educate me.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
Tell me....is he threatening them physically or is he questioning their judgements...as you often do with people who think differently than you.

Come on, Ian, you're smarter than that. He has threatened their jobs because they make decisions they don't like. That's fascism at it's best. The man wants to get rid of an independent judiciary, and replace them with judges who will suck the collected schlongs of the GOP.

Anytime a person of authority and some power like DeLay openly threatens the independence of the judiciary, that makes him a fascist in my mind.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
You make jokes around your friends all the time that could easily be taken out of context and blown up out of proportion

What was out of context? He's up there, with a shitty grin on his fac, with a shotgun in his hand, saying this? Kind of alarming when a democratically elected politician, with power, is saying such shit.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 8):
All that said...she is not a communist, just as DeLay is no fascist.

Agree with the first. Disagree with the second. I think DeLay is a fascist, and I don't see anything to change my opinion of him.


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 7):
I should dress like a 1984 yuppie, talk like Thurston Howell, drive a Rolls, and not give a crap about anyone who isn't a member at my country club. Well, Hollywood ain't right on any of the above counts, and I just expect that

Instead, you have a mullet and drive an Aztec.   

Falcon, I'm going to have to say that Ian has got you on this one. DeLay is a complete asshole, but it's not all that uncommon on both sides, these days. Given a choice, I'd much prefer the Democrats be in power, but I'm not sure that it would be all roses and butterflies. The Dems hate the GOP more than ever now because they have indeed figured out how to obtain and maintain control of the government (perhaps illegally). Be it by legal or illegal means, I'm sure the Dems would pull the same sort of things if they were in the majority.

Logan

[Edited 2005-05-27 16:59:45]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
He has threatened their jobs because they make decisions they don't like

Has he said they should be shot? Or has he said they should be censured....which is the right of Congress. THey provide oversight on judges.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Anytime a person of authority and some power like DeLay openly threatens the independence of the judiciary, that makes him a fascist in my mind.

OK...so whats your threatening of jurists who want the 10 Commandments on display?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
What was out of context? He's up there, with a shitty grin on his fac, with a shotgun in his hand

Come on..... your opinion of the grin on his face (which I took to be relief at not being attacked) is no more than that...opinion....which I think is wrong here.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
and I don't see anything to change my opinion of him.

NO! You are going to be stubborn here? STOP IT!  Wink

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 10):
Instead, you have a mullet and drive and Aztec. crazy Wink

The Aztec could be forgiven, but if the dude has a mullet he needs to see my barber.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Seems like Republican politicians watch a lot more TV.


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

I'll put it this way, Ian. There are other Republicans I haven't like over the years (no, really?). But very few did I think were outside mainstream America. I wasn't a fan of Reagan, or people like Rumsfeld, or Rice, or Nickles, or Jeb Bush. But I don't call them fascist. Guys like Ashcroft, Santorum and DeLay, in my view, are outside the mainstream, and have very little faith in freedom, unless it fits what they believe and when it goes their way.

So I'll stand by what I said. I think he's way out there. I think he's a little dictator in waiting, and who, if he could, would elimiantate all opposition to what he wants, if he could. He's a fascist.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

It seems the ghost of Lenny Briscoe is alive and well.  Big grin

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
I think he's way out there. I think he's a little dictator in waiting, and who, if he could, would elimiantate all opposition to what he wants, if he could. He's a fascist.

But Gawd is on his side!  dopey 



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Be accurate in your name calling, because he is a fascist the same way Hillary Clinton is a communist.

Hillary Clinton is capitalist lawyer turned politician.

Tom DeLay is a fascist.

The only thing that prevents him from being a fascist in the mould of Mussolini and Franco is the fact that our democracy is a mature one and keeps the reins on his wretched aspirations.


User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 10):
Instead, you have a mullet and drive an Aztec.

HA! Good memory. The mullet died when I walked down the asile w/the other long haired blonde in that photo, in 1992. The Aztek is all of the "rebel" that's left in me.... (Wasn't that a line from "Pee Wee's Big Adventure"?)

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
The Aztec could be forgiven

Get 'Fly to agree w/you, and you are my HERO!



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

You guys have an emotion driven personal lexicon.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 17):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
The Aztec could be forgiven

Get 'Fly to agree w/you, and you are my HERO!

That's easy....remind him that it was an effort to replace the Eagle as an everyday driver that most people could afford. Big American metal on the road with AWD capability and the effort to be distinctive.

That's really the best I could do...I actually was pissed when they made it look like a 1989 Pontiac LeMans (Korean make) on steroids, and then failed to really support it.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Noting beats a German engineered, Daewoo built, Korean Pontiac.

I think that there's a Citroen CX thrown in the Aztek DNA, too....

Back to Topic: DeLay should just let all this roll off his back, and get back to fixing the image problem. He has angered me by getting involved in the Schaivo case, at just the time he was beginning to have his troubles. Then the Republican party tries to "change the rules" about investigations.

And, I'm worried that my party is going too far "right" for my tastes. They will never be able to work a deal with the Democrats, because anyone who does, will be branded a "traitor" to the GOP. It's already begun to happen, as was reported on NPR, this morning, that there is dissapointment about McCain's working out a way to find some sort of compromise w/the Democrats.



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

I never understood why guys like this take the bait.

The audience for this episode now skyrockets when Tom Delay commented on it. He should have ignored it, not said a thing and this would have been a non-story.

This is no different than Carl Jr. producing the Paris Hilton ad. They know that they'll get a 100 times more attention by producing a racy ad than if they'd just made a regular old burger ad.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Tom DeLay is not a neocon, sorry to destroy your rants. There is nothing new about his conservatism.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1388 times:

Can you say Dan Quayle all over again?? Doesn't Tom remember how Dan's uproar over a fictional TV show COMPLETELY backfired on him?


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1380 times:

The worst thing that Delay did was to even achknowledge that he had ever HEARD of Law & Order on TV. He should be letting this stuff roll right off his back.

But then again, he is as tone-deaf as any other uber-conservative out there. They live in their own little worlds completely unaware of reality swirling around them.

They make stupid remarks and wonder why anyone might object.



Blank.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1374 times:

I have watched many episodes of 'Law and Order' over the years. Political comments have been very often a part of the plotlines. As you may also know the head Proscutor is actor and Former Republican US Senator Thompson (Tenn.). One recent episode I saw had to do with NY Police officers whom murdered their wives, had served in Iraq and where the Proscutor was trying to tie it to drugs taken by them in the Army that messed them up. The Proscuter tried to Supenona Sec. of Def. Rumsfeld. in this plotline, yet I didn't hear of any complaints from him.
Yes, they also take on local politicans and politics as well, conflicts as to international politics and had political comments of a negative nature as to former Presidnet Clinton and other Democrats. Maybe the DeLay line was dumb, mainly as it was to tie him to someone who would kill judges (well at least the 'liberal' ones... duck  ).
Seriously, DeLay is a jerk of the top level and hopefully he will go the way that Gingrich did.


25 B757300 : And if the suspect had been a member of the black panthers a similar group and line had been "Maybe we should put out an APB on anyone wearing a Jesse
26 Superfly : B757300: What in the hell is that all about? The Black Panthers haven't been around for over 30 years. There philosophy was totally opposite of Jessie
27 Diamond : Dude, seriously. Ask your friends to sit you down and give you a reality check. How many times in the last 6 years have the tighty-righties sought to
28 TriStarEnvy : I had read that there is a lot of friction on the set, becuase of politics. Sam Waterston being fairly left wing must have made for a happy cast duri
29 L-188 : And when did he actually threaten any judge? I want a name. A guy who threatens and belittles the loyal opposition, because they dare oppose his part
30 SFOMEX : On this one DeLay is way out of control. Had CSI made the joke, that would be worrisome, but it was Law & Order for chris sake! Tom DeLay has more imp
31 Post contains images Mdsh00 : You know you're never going to get an answer from B757300 and his "hit and run" tactics. By the way. DeLay needs to chill out. Better yet, leave!
32 DL021 : Yes, they did. They fined him prior to that plenty.......besides... he did not go negative on President Bush until AFTER the FCC hit him with the fin
33 N1120A : They absolutely know what a facist is and are completely right about it Well, sounds about right when it comes to the current powers in the GOP You m
34 Post contains links SRQCrosscheck : and damn, it was so good! I love Bebe Neuworth. LOL Well, he's openly pissed at Judge Greer in FL over the Terry Schiavo debacle. Granted, Greer is a
35 ANCFlyer : SRQ - personally, what happened between Slick Willie and Monica was their business . . and Hillary's of course . . . However - you cannot be so naive
36 SRQCrosscheck : oh, no, i understand why it got press coverage. i'm just asserting that democrats can receive unflattering press. especially in channels owned by Rup
37 L-188 : OK so where is the threat? I see only a statement of opinion, no matter how based in fact it actually is.
38 ANCFlyer : Yup, agreed . . . completely. Well, on that note, I will put on my old GI hat and ask you, simple question: Speaking Swift Boat Vets and their barrag
39 Post contains images SRQCrosscheck : These are both very good points and deserve answers... I don't know much about the military at all. Who knows if or what either GWB or Kerry or both
40 ANCFlyer : Oh, hey SRQ, welcome aboard A-Net . . . strap in, hold on, there's often CAT in here! LOL And in case you missed it above. . . I'm one of the "Delay n
41 SRQCrosscheck : This isn't a statement of opinion at all. It's a declarative statement of intention. DeLay definitely has an opinion, and expresses it in the adjecti
42 Post contains images SRQCrosscheck : awesome!
43 Post contains links Tbar220 : Delay needs to chill out, the comment was ironic and actually rather smart. I think the comment that Delay made which stirred up the controversy was:
44 MD-90 : Yeah, he's a fascist, but so are most all the liberals in Congress, too. Along with the Jacobin neocons. I can think of only one honest, freedom-lovin
45 Post contains images NYCFlyer : Hey Falcon - very well said here. I fully agree. I take back the Palestine berating I dished out a few weeks ago - you're a good guy after all!   Ex
46 Falcon84 : Forgot about that one. Yes, that's right, he help Gerrymander the entire state to basically elimainate oppostion on the state level for the GOP. Agai
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