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User currently offlineN506CR From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 147 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Ok, first of all, I want to say this is by no way a "US bashing thread" as some people use to call them as soon as they see "USA" in the thread.

Well, I went over to my Mexican friend's house and by pure casualty I spotted his passport. I asked him if I could see it, and right away I noticed something: (this is not his, btw)


It says: Estados Unidos Mexicanos (Mexican United States)
I asked him about that and he said, "yeah that's the official country's name".
We were talking about that and he said "that's why us Mexicans don't like when, mostly in official terms, USA is referred as "The United States" or "The government of The United States". United States from where? We are United States too!

Following the conversation, we got into the "American" topic. Wherever you hear "American" you automatically link it as a person from USA. Well it's like it'll never change, and also, there's no such term in a word in english as "United-staten?" slt... whereas in Spanish there is, "Estadounidense". So OK, nothing will change it and there's no word to replace, that's justifiable. But for all fellow Americans around here, if you didn't know, in any country in the American continent you step in, we don't like you calling yourselves "American". Why? well, we are Americans too. I remember once in 6th grade a teacher of mine from California got in argument with the whole english class, she said "America is not a single continent! North and South is a different thing". Not really, America is a whole unique single comprehended continent. The thing is, any country in this continent is in America, and just like any person in Europe is European, any person in America is... American. Plus, Amerigo Vespucci (explorer Italian guy whose name was taken to name the "new world" continent) didn't even went to what today is USA, so it's not like he got there first or anything like that. So, any person in the continent feels somehow discriminated by not being able to call itself American, being one. Do you think all the natives in the USA west coast (and around there...) are called "Native Americans" because they were where "America" (USA) is now. Nope, they are native americans because they lived in America way long ago.
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So, as Mexico said, well we're Mexico, we're a bunch of states together, we'll be "(The) Mexican United States", USA said, ok, we're a whole bunch of states, we fought to be together, and it happens we're in the American continent, so we are "(The) United States of America", therefore I think, mostly in official deals, they should ALWAYS specify that.

Ok, and American is like a worldwide accepted term, but is not like you own the whole place NOR that I'm not one. With that same Mexican friend I remember we were playing a soccer game and I said something in spanish to him, and the referee called me "hey... 7... kid, listen, this is America, speak english please"--huh? guess what Mr. Ref, this is not quite "America", this is the United States of America, where I come from it's also America and we speak Spanish there (not that I answered that to him but really, that's my insight). I don't know if this example is quite right but a country that comes to my mind is Suriname. Where are you from? What's your nationality? I dunno how to say but does "Suriname-se?" exists? or some other term? well if not the person has to say "I'm from Suriname". So technically, a person from the USA, would be getting it completely right saying "(I'm from) United States (of America)" at least, since we get US=A, just like people from the Mexican United States cut it short to "Mexican"

So again, this is not a "USA this and that" thread, just a very own and I think well based opinion, that I'd like to share for open discussion, just that.

Regards;
_A

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

So, basically, your entire thread opener is asking, Why is it folks in the USA are referred to as "Americans"?

My simple explanation is that it's the only country on this continent with the word "America" in it. Pretty simple. A clearly, easily defined identifier.

Mexican United States . . . called Mexico because it prevents confusion with the USofA.

Canada . . . called Canada, well - duhhh.

Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
any country in this continent is in America,

Any country on this continent is in NORTH America and CENTRAL America.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Well, maybe you don't want it turn into a flamefest, but it will.

The preamble of our Constitution says "We, the people of the United States of America...."

So, we are the United States of America, period. End of conversation. If Mexico has their offical name as "United States of Mexico", then what's wrong with calling them "Mexicans" and us "Americans". "America" is a OFFICAL part of our name, so what's the problem. We DO, in a sense, "own" the name. I don't see any other nation in the Americas who have the name "America" offically in their name.

So, again, why is it even an issue?

[Edited 2005-05-30 18:07:21]

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
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User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

If we weren't called American's, what would you call us? "United States Citizens?" The word "America" is in the name of our country, and just so happens to be our continents name.

I believe it's the United Mexican States if that makes any difference.

adam



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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

According to the alignment of the stars and planets, this is a very early re-occurrence of this topic. Maybe it was a solar flare or the weakening magnetic fields...


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 5):
Maybe it was a solar flare or the weakening magnetic fields...

It was caused by the French "non" vote  Smile - another in the series of disastrous consequences predicted by Nostradamus...

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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

"America is a whole unique single comprehended continent."




I wouldn't disagree with that.


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Hehe, I think there was a similar topic a while ago... and yes, it ended in a flamefest, so good luck...:D

"Plus, Amerigo Vespucci (explorer Italian guy whose name was taken to name the "new world" continent) didn't even went to what today is USA"

He didn't go to Mexico either, so what's your point?

"I come from it's also America "

No, you are from Central America.

"I don't know if this example is quite right but a country that comes to my mind is Suriname. Where are you from? What's your nationality? I dunno how to say but does "Suriname-se?" exists? or some other term? well if not the person has to say "I'm from Suriname". So technically, a person from the USA, would be getting it completely right saying "(I'm from) United States (of America)" at least, since we get US=A, just like people from the Mexican United States cut it short to "Mexican"

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but anyways... IMO it all comes down to how you ask the question:
-by asking "Where are you from?"; you will most likely get the answer "I'm from the United States".
-if you ask "Whats your nationality?"; then most people will say "I'm american."


Plus, what country was here first, the US of A or Mexico?  Wink

Saludos,
Christian


User currently offlineN506CR From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Why is it folks in the USA are referred to as "Americans"?

no ANC, is not really that. What I mean is that, technically, anyone in this continent is an American.

Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
The thing is, any country in this continent is in America, and just like any person in Europe is European, any person in America is... American.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
My simple explanation is that it's the only country on this continent with the word "America" in it. Pretty simple. A clearly, easily defined identifier.

Definitely. As I said, nothing will change it, and the lack of a specific word supports that fact. My point is, it's ok to use it as your nationality identifier, it's worldwide known like that and nothing will change it, but, at least, understand and acknowledge that, again, any person in this continent is an american.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Any country on this continent is in NORTH America and CENTRAL America.

I was taught 5 continents in school: America, Asia, Oceania, Europe and Africa.

Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
America is a whole unique single comprehended continent

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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Well, maybe you don't want it turn into a flamefest, but it will.

Well I hoped it wouldn't go so bad. And I posted this because I wanted to hear other people's opinion...

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
So, again, why is it even an issue?

Because this is a non-aviation forum and the rules say: Do not post in here unless you are capable of expressing yourself in a civilized manner. As far as I know, this thread has nothing to do with aviation and I am posting in here in a civilized manner.

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Quoting Adam (Reply 4):
If we weren't called American's, what would you call us? "United States Citizens?" The word "America" is in the name of our country, and just so happens to be our continents name.



Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
Wherever you hear "American" you automatically link it as a person from USA. Well it's like it'll never change, and also, there's no such term in a word in english as "United-staten?" slt... whereas in Spanish there is, "Estadounidense". So OK, nothing will change it and there's no word to replace it, that's justifiable.



Quoting Adam (Reply 4):
I believe it's the United Mexican States if that makes any difference.

Yup, thx. You're right on that one.

*** AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A BASHING THREAD, JUST MY OPINION. PLEASE READ MY WHOLE POST BEFORE REPLYING, MOST OF THE THINGS YOU GUYS ARE POINTING OUT ARE ALREADY THERE ***

Thx for your insights;
_A


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting N506CR (Reply 9):
no ANC, is not really that. What I mean is that, technically, anyone in this continent is an American.

. . . is a NORTH American or CENTRAL American . . . lest they be confused with those from SOUTH American . . .

Symantics, really . . .

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 8):
Hehe, I think there was a similar topic a while ago... and yes, it ended in a flamefest, so good luck

 yes 

Quoting N506CR (Reply 9):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Well, maybe you don't want it turn into a flamefest, but it will.

Well I hoped it wouldn't go so bad. And I posted this because I wanted to hear other people's opinion...

Surprised we've gotten to 10 replies and it's still civil . . . congrats A-Netters.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting N506CR (Reply 9):
I was taught 5 continents in school: America, Asia, Oceania, Europe and Africa.

And therein lies the rub - it in part, if I remember the last thread correctly, dealt with the fact that different people are taught different models for the # of continents. I, for instance, was taught 7. North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica.

But yes, IMO, it boils down to two things...in English "American," is a lot easier to say than "United Statesian" and second, we are the only nation in the Americas to actually have the word "America" in our official country name.



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

I was taught there was a distinction in the continent of North America, and the continent of South America, but as I have gotten older I have changed my perspective. The concept of Oceania is something I was never taught in school either. I was taught that Australia was a lone continent and country. But where does that leave New Zealand?

It will be a while before the concept of the continent of Oceania is widely taught in U.S. schools, and I would imagine it would take even longer for the concept of one American continent to be taught as well.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 12):
and I would imagine it would take even longer for the concept of one American continent to be taught as well.

Interestingly, I have never completely understood why there is a definite distinction between Asia and Europe. While North/Central America are connected to South America via a small isthmus (Panama) and thus there is a conceivable and visual separation between North/Central and South America the Euro-Asian continent is essentially one large land mass, is it not?

As for Oceania and the number of continents . . . always taught 7 Continents, and as you say, was taught Australia is stand alone, and New Zealand and the other Pacific Islands were just - islands. And I'm not sure where Greenland and Iceland fit into the scheme of things . . . .


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
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HEY! Who dares call anyone besides a US citizen an AMerican?!?!

We will have you hunted down and dealt with!  Wink

Seriously, though, in my experience many people south of the Canal, and even south of the US border call all Canadian and US people Norte Americanos (or gringos  Wink) even though technically everything North of the Isthmus of Panama at a certain latitude is really North America.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Quoting N506CR (Reply 9):
no ANC, is not really that. What I mean is that, technically, anyone in this continent is an American.

. . . is a NORTH American or CENTRAL American . . . lest they be confused with those from SOUTH American . . .

Central America is a semi-xenophobic means that cartographers and culturalists had of keeping the 3rd world element of the North American appellation separate from the people south of the US border. It has become accepted without much thought, but I think that it is one of the things that we allow to separate us as people with our neighbors to the south and in the Caribbean, which is also technically part of North America to a certain latitude.

I think that the official names of countries can be interesting, and the United States of Mexico is a great name....just as The Oriental Republic of Uruguay is a spectacular full name. But, whats in a name? A rose by any other name is just as sweet.



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User currently offlineN506CR From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 8):
"I come from it's also America "

No, you are from Central America.

Yes, I am from Central America, a geographical division of a whole unique single comprehended continent, America. It's just like we refer to Eastern or Western Europe, the point is that all of them are Europeans. Also, in that case, people from USA is from North America, not America.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 8):
"Plus, Amerigo Vespucci (explorer Italian guy whose name was taken to name the "new world" continent) didn't even went to what today is USA"

He didn't go to Mexico either, so what's your point?



Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
So, any person in the continent feels somehow discriminated by not being able to call itself American, being one.



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 8):
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but anyways... IMO it all comes down to how you ask the question:
-by asking "Where are you from?"; you will most likely get the answer "I'm from the United States".
-if you ask "Whats your nationality?"; then most people will say "I'm american."

What I mean is that there must be some countries that lack of a specific word for nationality, leaving the same answer to both question, just like it happens in the english language for the United States of America, using therefore the word "American", however, I'm not sure if the Suriname example I used is right.
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Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
But yes, IMO, it boils down to two things...in English "American," is a lot easier to say than "United Statesian" and second, we are the only nation in the Americas to actually have the word "America" in our official country name.

Thank God someone got my point! welcome to my respected's list GP.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Surprised we've gotten to 10 replies and it's still civil . . . congrats A-Netters.

We made it!!! woo hoo!!! lol

Keep'em coming,
_A


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

"Yes, I am from Central America, a geographical division of a whole unique single comprehended continent, America. It's just like we refer to Eastern or Western Europe, the point is that all of them are Europeans. Also, in that case, people from USA is from North America, not America."

Just a question, aren't the USA refered to in Spanish as "Los Estados Unidos de Norte America"? :S

"What I mean is that there must be some countries that lack of a specific word for nationality, leaving the same answer to both question, just like it happens in the english language for the United States of America, using therefore the word "American", however, I'm not sure if the Suriname example I used is right."

Aha! Now I see what you mean!  Smile Don't know about the Suriname example, but there might be a couple of African nations which might have this "problem".


What's kinda confusing is that like others here, I was thaught that America is devided into two continents North America and South America, BUT I've also had a geography teacher saying it's all one continent (which makes more sense IMO) Big grin.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
Mr. Ref, this is not quite "America", this is the United States of America, where I come from it's also America and we speak Spanish there (not that I answered that to him but really, that's my insight)

If you're so hung up on names why is it important that you speak Spanish? Shouldn't Mexicans speak Mexican. After all, Mexico was conquered by the Spaniards so I should think the mexican descendants would want to throw off that language. No?  Smile


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
What I mean is that there must be some countries that lack of a specific word for nationality, leaving the same answer to both question, just like it happens in the english language for the United States of America, using therefore the word "American", however, I'm not sure if the Suriname example I used is right.

Maybe Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo (the former Zaire) would be a good example. Prior to the fall of Mobutu Sese-Seko's government, residents of Congo were Congolese and residents of Zaire were Zairian. Following the overthrow, residents of both nations are now termed "Congolese," despite the fact that many residents of the former Zaire don't belong to the Kongo ethnic group.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

What is generally refered to as Mexico is composed of over 24 'states' and a Federal District (Districa Federale/D.F.) with Mexico City, the Capital. Some of these states include: Baja Califronia, Baja Califronia Sur (South), Chihiuahua, Nuevo Leon, Yuctan, Sonora, Jalisco, Oaxaca, Tabasco, Chiapas, Pubela, Durango and others. (look a map). As in the USA, vehicle registration and registration/license plates is under the states and they have other local regularory authority from the Federal government. Yet Australia has 'states' yet it isn't called the United States of Australia, nor Canada which has provinces and like US or Mexican States allow for some local authority like vehicle registration and license/registration plates.
By the way, the name America came from an Italian map maker - Amerigo (sp) Vespucci back in the 1500's.


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting N506CR (Reply 9):
I was taught 5 continents in school: America, Asia, Oceania, Europe and Africa.

You were taught wrong. We were all taught wrong.

If we base it solely on the tectonic plates (and ignore non-continental islands)

Here are your continents:

Eurasia
North America
Caribbean
South America
Antarctica
Australia
Africa
Arabia
India

Those are the tectonic plates with any significant amount of land on them. It's reasonably logical to tack Arabia and India onto Eurasia because of their relative smallness and proximity. The Caribbean could also be tacked onto North America with the same principle.

That leaves us with

Eurasia
North America
South America
Antarctica
Australia
Africa

Now, from this list of what the actual major continental landmasses are, as defined by plate tectonics, you could probably argue very well that the Europe-Asia distinction is arbitrary and traces its routes to racism. Certainly, using the very unremarkable Ural Mountains and Ural River as a dividing line, then fudging the line through the Caucasus and randomly chopping through the tiny Bosphorus and somehow claiming you have a geographically and geologically logical continent is preposterous. Although we still count Europe as a continent today, it is in reality a clear cultural and socioeconomic distinction, and can be very well defended on those grounds.

However, the North America-South America distinction is very well rooted in geologic and geographic fact. If you want to draw continents based on culture and socioeconomics, then the line should go halfway through California, across the northern border of Arizona and New Mexico, dip south in Texas, cross the Gulf of Mexico, scallop off Southeast Florida, then chop the Antilles off before circling in all of South and Central America. However, that divide is as clear as Europe-Asia, and I don't hear anyone questioning that. If anything, we should have European America and Latin America.


User currently offlineOzLAME From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting N506CR (Reply 9):
I was taught 5 continents in school: America, Asia, Oceania, Europe and Africa.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
Yet Australia has 'states' yet it isn't called the United States of Australia

Oceania is an area of the Pacific Ocean; the largest land mass in Oceania is Australia, which is also known as the Island Continent.

It is called The Commonwealth of Australia. Australia is a 105-year-old Federation of disparate former British colonies and until fairly recently didn't even have a standard railway gauge; an interstate train trip would involve changing trains at the state border.



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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

So, this is the deal:

The United States of Mexico (which I personally don't like) has been the official name of the country for quite a long time. Some really really really ignorant people think that we are such US lovers that we actually said: oh, let's look cool and steal the name as well. Mexico is composed by 31 states and the Federal District which is actually a capital. Each state has their own government with their own jurisdiction, but all of them respond to a federal government. Pretty much like in the US, that's why the similarity.

Mexican States: Aguascalientes, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Campeche,Chihuahua, Coahuila, Chiapas, Colima, Durango, D.F., Estado de México, Guanajuato,Guerrero, Hidalgo,Michoacan, Morelos, Nuevo Leon, Nayarit, Oaxaca, Puebla,Querétaro, Quintana Roo, Sonora, Sinaloa, Tamaulipas, Tabasco, Tlaxcala,Yucatán, Veracruz and Zacatecas.

Now, regarding AMERICA:

For me America goes from Canada (including Alaska of course) to Chile:

North America : Canada, US, Mexico

Central America: Belize and Guatemala down all the way to Panama.

South America: All countries down from Panama.

So it's the American Continent which name comes from Americo Vespucio (which was the first cartographer that made a map of the continent) and for some particular reason the continent was named after him.

So when Christopher Columbus discovered the American Continent I really don't think he discovered the States. So then comes the 13 states that later became THE UNITED STATES. But United States from where? Well... United States of America. Such as Mexico is The United States of Mexico. But for everyone: Mexico.

What bothers me is that the US refers to themselves as America, which in this case they should us the US such as the rest of the world. The difference with Mexico, is that we don't have a continent that's named after our country. So I think that the most appropiate term is the States, the US, The United States which OFFICIALLY are the United States of America. But anyway, that's just a thought.
But hey, this is not about which country deserves being AMERICA, it would be enough for me that most people that talk about the US as America, UNDERSTAND that America is not only them but all of us living in...well... America?

AS RootsAir said: ok so this guy told us speak English because you are in America. It would actually be BETTER for him to say: speak English because you're in the States.

That's my point, I'm not against the US being the US of America

Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
Ok, and American is like a worldwide accepted term, but is not like you own the whole place NOR that I'm not one.

Yes, actually you're ok there. But unless they are referring to people, they say: They come from the States. Not from America...

Quoting N506CR (Thread starter):
So technically, a person from the USA, would be getting it completely right saying "(I'm from) United States (of America)" at least, since we get US=A,

That would be wonderful.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 17):
If you're so hung up on names why is it important that you speak Spanish? Shouldn't Mexicans speak Mexican. After all, Mexico was conquered by the Spaniards so I should think the Mexican descendants would want to throw off that language. No?

Yeah well, why don't you speak a United languages as well? You were an English colony right? If you got independent then wouldn't you wanna throw off that language?

Alonso

(MUY MOTIVADO)

[Edited 2005-05-31 04:10:45]


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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

I don't see the issue here. Sure, I know that every single inhabitant of this continent is an American; yet, all of them are also a citizen of one of the many countries that belong to this continent and that comes ahead of the continent.

If people from the USA are known as Americans is just fine. After all, it's part of their countries name. The United Mexican States may be the official country's name, but all their residents are known as Mexicans, which is also just fine. Once again, I don't see the issue here.


User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 23):
Once again, I don't see the issue here.

Nothing to do really...



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25 PPVRA : I don't mind hearing people say "Hey, I'm American" or "American whatever"... I just think to myself "So am I, except South American" What I find odd
26 Post contains links EMBQA : I think you need to pay attention in History class a little more. Prior to the mid 1700's in what is now the United States of America each then state
27 Falcon84 : Yes, but the United States has, as part of it's official name "America". Hence, that's why we're called Americans. Come on folks, this isn't rocket s
28 KLM685 : Yeah I know that what's my point here is that is somewhat annoying to something like this examples: Welcome to America! Yes, you are in America! Amer
29 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I think we are all saying the same thing, in different ways. I'm quite sure I know that everyone from the Arctic Ocean to the Panama Canal lives in N
30 Falcon84 : YES!! Again, what part of what I wrote do you NOT understand. Shall I spell it out again: AMERICA is the OFFICAL part of our name: The United States
31 KLM685 : I wasn't talking about Mexico's case. I was talking about the part where SOME PEOPLE don't see the difference between The Americas and America(US). S
32 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Agreed . . . so we owe each other a beer . . . Corona please
33 KLM685 : hahaha a Turbo Corona... I bet another one that you'll like that. I've got like tons of Corona's at my house, so I don't mind betting.
34 Cptkrell : I guess the term (definition?) Meso America (Central/Middle America) is not referred to much anymore? My old 1950s geography in school always referred
35 KLM685 : OMG I laughed so hard...
36 Lan_Fanatic : L.1011...this is the only point I want to critic: Remember Latins were also european.Then, all of the Americas should be "European America"...then we
37 Pipo777 : Ok dude...Relax. No one is saying that you (or any citizen of the US) calling yourself "American" is wrong or that we want to take the name American
38 KLM685 : Pipo777, I take my hat off
39 AR1300 : Brazil is also called United States of Brazil ''Estados Unidos Brasileiros''. Mike P.S:All the Canucks at the college that I went(Chicago) used to get
40 KLM685 : I want to know what is the problem of actually trying to have a space within the word: AMERICA? I mean we all live in the same continent. But we have
41 EZEIZA : I've noticed manu US citizens abroad, when asked, will reply "from the United States" and not "American". It is true that although the US is the only
42 NumberTwelve : So a German is not a German but a SOUTH German, NORTH German or CENTRAL German? We had discussions before if South America is a separate continent -
43 Mdsh00 : I had always seen "Central America" as a division in North America. Basically everything south of Mexico and north of Colombia. In India, it depends.
44 Falcon84 : Most people with a shred of common sense do. I don't hear Chilean's calling themselves "American"; I don't hear Brazilian's calling themselves "Ameri
45 DL021 : South America is a separate continent from North America. Look at the maps or refer to a geography book. It has more separation than Europe and Asia
46 Post contains images Falcon84 : I explained what it was about in my last post Ian.
47 Post contains images DL021 : Smart-assed rhetorical questions do not require answers!
48 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Not even a valid analogy . . .try again . . . that'd be like me saying I'm a Central Alaska . . . OK, no problem. I said, already, both these contine
49 FDXMECH : From now on I'll refer to Mexicans, El Salvadorians, etc as American's. You want to called American, then that's what I'll call you. You will no longe
50 DL021 : Just trying to be polite.......I see it's wasted on the ancient fishermen of the frozen north.....North America, that is.
51 Post contains images Falcon84 : Only during hockey season.
52 N506CR : Pipo, you're the man. Thx, really. Those are cultural divisions. There are a lot of divisions, such as Anglo, Ibero, Latin, German, Dutch, etc Americ
53 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Me too... It's been taught that way forever, and according to my sister who is in elementary school, it still is. Although considering the tectonic p
54 Post contains images KLM685 : hahahahahahah I really don't think so. Not my case, live and let live. I just enjoyed alot my debate classes, and why not debate once in a while Anyw
55 EZEIZA : I'm sorry but I believe you are way off. Yes, there are cultural and ethnic differences within the Americas, but there are as much, if not more, in A
56 Post contains images Avek00 : Refer to Americans as "Rulers of the Earth" instead. .
57 PPVRA : "Estados Unidos do Brasil," but not anymore, we got rid of the "estados unidos" part a while ago. Now it's just "Republica Federativa do Brasil." Add
58 ANCFlyer : Don't care really, I'll then ask you what State your reside in!? And then you'll say, Oh, I'm not from the states . . . and we'll go from there I sup
59 Luisde8cd : Interesting fact.... During the late 1800s and early 1900s, Venezuela's official name was: "Estados Unidos de Venezuela" or United States of Venezuela
60 Post contains links Monteycarlos : Are people even sure about this... I mean honestly I have no idea, but I went to the CIA World factobook and it says the Conventional long form is "Un
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