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2012 Olympics In New York. Yes Or No?  
User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

I would love to get opinions of New Yorkers especially.
Questions
Do you want the Olympics in New York? Why?
Do you want the stadium to be built? Why?


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I have rather strong opinions on both but will save my answers for later.


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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Just curious, where would the stadium be built if NYC gets the Olympics? It seems as if there's barely enough space without the burden of building many Olympic venues.

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

The stadium would be built over the MTA rail yards on the far west side of Manhattan.

I'm not sure how I feel... I think it makes sense for the Jets to play in New York... but with property values the way they are and due to the finite amount of land in Manhattan, I'm not sure it makes sense to put it there.... why not Queens? As far as the Olympics... I guess I'm for them here... but after the debacle that was the 96 Atlanta Olympics, I'm dubious as to how successful they would be.



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

It has its pros and cons. I lean towards the pros since I think New York is the greatest city on earth, but on the other hand there two major problems with the NYC bid.

1) Road/subway gridlock. Take a subway in NYC at 8:30AM, multiply that four times. I mean, the subways would be absolutely packed to the gills, the taxis would hardly be able to move with the increase road traffic and detours.

2) Hotels in NYC already charge on average $246 a night and a lot of them are booked solidly no matter what day it is. There is too much demand and not enough supply. It's gonna be tough for people from around the world to converge on Manhattan just because of the astronomical prices.

I think it would be an unbelieveable Olympics though. My cousin has already bought a bar near where the Athletes Village is planned to be built in Long Island City.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

I'd like to way in about this, as I may be living there in the near future.

I think its great. NYC has come a far way to what it is today, many people have a strong bias against New York in that its a tough rugged dirty place. I think some people will have their attitudes changed when they see the Olympics there.



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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

As a new yorker i say NO. exept for the small buisnesses NYC would be essentaly shut down during the olympics. NYC does not have the infrastructure to handle an additional 1 million+ tourists. Anyone that has every tried to get out of manhattan on a weekday from 4-6 would agree with me


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

I think it sounds like a great idea but would also be a huge burden on Manhattan. If they branch out and place most of the venues in the other boroughs, it could work.


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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

I can't imagine what the security cost for the games in NYC would be. I think Athens spent well over a billion in 2004 dollars- and nobody really hates the Greeks.

If we assume a 4% discount rate, the 2012 costs, for the same level of security provide in Athens would be at least $1.3B. Given the threat matrix that a NYC hosted Olympic games would create, I think we're probably have to at least double the Athens expenditures - so we're talking about spending about $2.2 to $2.6 BILLION on security costs alone.

There's no way that the games will infuse that amount of economic activity into the NYC economy. View it this way. If the games drew 400,000 visitors (a number which I think is on the high side), each visitor would have to spend about $6,800 just to generate $2.6B of economic activity - not profit. And that's just security cost.

The games would be a huge financial noose for the city and the taxpayers of the City of NY, the State of New York and of the United States will end up footing the bill.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
and nobody really hates the Greeks.

If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!



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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Simply put, the United States does not have what it takes to stage an olympics.

Atlanta was a disaster, so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree.

Sydney was superb, Athens was also really good. Heck, Montreal built a new airport for the occasion.

My point is, other countries put more efforts into the games, and the national governments do a part in the organizing, unlike in the US



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!

LOL. Funny


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21629 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 6):
If they branch out and place most of the venues in the other boroughs, it could work.

I believe that it was planned to do just that. From what I remember, apart from the Olympic Stadium, there would be no new venues built in Manhattan, and only the stadium, Madison Square Garden, the Javits Center and an armory somewhere would be used for events. Everything else would be in other boroughs or New Jersey.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

have they ever awarded 2 cities on the same continent back to back (winter and summer olympics) to host the olympics? vancouver is hosting the winter 2010 olympic... so i'm guessing that the summer 2012 might be going to a different continent.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17503 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

"Atlanta was a disaster, so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree."

Why were Atlanta and Salt Lake disasters?



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Why were Atlanta and Salt Lake disasters?

Atlanta: Transportation, Organization, Weather and Security.

Salt Lake: Other than scandal, I thought they were pretty well received.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Why were Atlanta and Salt Lake disasters?

Salt Lake was fine in my opinion, but as for the Centennial Olympics in Atlanta...it WAS a disaster. Everything from that wierd mascot to the lame opening ceremonies.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 12):
have they ever awarded 2 cities on the same continent back to back (winter and summer olympics) to host the olympics

Tons of times.

1924: Summer Olympics - Paris, France
Winter Olympics - Chamonix, France

1928: Summer Olympics - Amsterdam, Netherlands
Winter Olympics - St. Moritz, Switzerland

1932: Summer Olympics - Los Angeles, USA
Winter Olympics - Lake Placid, USA

1936: Summer Olympics - Berlin, Germany
Winter Olympics - Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany

1948: Summer Olympics - London, UK
Winter Olympics - St. Moritz, Switzerland

1952: Summer Olympics - Helsinki, Finland
Winter Olympics - Oslo, Norway

1992: Summer Olympics - Barcelona, Spain
Winter Olympics - Albertville, France
1994: Winter Olympics - Lillehammer, Norway

2004: Summer Olympics - Athens, Greece
2006: Winter Olympics - Turin, Italy



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
If you say that in some parts of Turkey and get home alive, you'll probably win a gold medal in sprint at the next olympics!

Ya however compare it to the US.
Say that ANYWHERE and lets see if you come back alive

Half the world doesn't like them, the other half hates them !

so proportionally, Greeks have less to worry about !



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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 9):
Atlanta was a disaster, so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree.

I went to events in both Atlanta and Salt Lake City, and I was actually there for Opening Ceremonies in SLC. The mass transit was busy and MARTA cars were sometimes fully packed (ughh, sometimes had to squeeze next to sweaty Euros), but it wasn't to the point where it was completely unbearable. I'd just compare it to a normal NYC rush-hour on the subways. Everyone was warned constantly to stay off the roads and traffic wasn't bad at all. Although I was only 13 at the time, I thought besides the bombing, it was pretty good. The only problem with Atlanta is that it isn't the coolest place in the summer, a lot of days it was in the low-90s with high humidity.

Salt Lake City was bad? I have no idea where you got that notion. First of all, as could be expected it wasn't as crowded as Atlanta. I never saw truly "bad" traffic in SLC. The security screenings and lines were a pain in the ass, but you had to go through basically the same thing in Atlanta in '96.



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User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

lol, I really don't think the Atlanta Olympics were a disaster...mascots are always weird...jesus, look at that Greek...thing. I thought the opening ceremonies were great!!! I mean what was up with that stupid cauldron for the flame?
As for the Atlanta organization and transportation? yes, a debacle...Let's face it though, in other countries where you have the government so invested in the Olympics and providing massive subsidies, the mainly private funds used for U.S. olympics often pull the goals of the games in different directions. Why was Sydney such a massive success? Massive funding from Australian government. If we want U.S. Olympics to be massive successes, like Sydney, we must have more funds from the U.S. government a strong organizational body. Salt Lake and Atlanta were not disasters-they simply were not the best Olympics ever...


User currently offlineFLVILLA From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 394 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

I'm sure the US could pull off a great Olympics, get the right management on the project and some well placed funds and it could be fantastic. But I still wouldn't want it in New York, or generally in the US. Not because there incapable or anything, or that there no less deserving than all the other candidate cities, but simply because of the groups of people who can go see it.

Only citizens from 27 countries can easily travel to the US visa free on the VWP (Visa Waiver Program). Thus meaning a hell of alot of people would have to go get visas if they want to go and support there countries team. At the end of the day alot of people just won't go, and the games would only have a few people from the 27 countries and those who did get visas, but mainly only Americans would go. Now I'm not saying that America should open it's doors, it's a matter of security and the chosen 27 countries are most likely there for a reason, but what I'm saying is that the Olympics overall should be in a more accessible location where more people can go and enjoy the games.

Anyhoo, just my 2p.

FLVILLA



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

I still think they will award the 2012 Summer Olympics to Paris.

The reason is simple: Paris has the transportation infrastructure necessary to hold the Games there (thanks to two major airports at CDG and ORY and the fact Paris is well-connected to the rest of Europe through high-speed rail connections; Paris will probably upgrade the Paris Metro to better accommodate the huge horder of visitors to that city).


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Big metropolitan cities don't need money...


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User currently offlineLambertSTL777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 218 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

I'm hoping NYC doesn't get the games.. Yea it would be great to have the Olympics back in the USA in 2012, but not NYC. They can barely handle day to day hassles as it is. I honestly don't believe they could handle this. Take a look at their water production (everyone will be needing it during the Olympics). They currently have two massive gravity-controlled viaducts that bring water from upstate NY. Those are at max capacity 365 days a year, and at times aren't even adequate. Thats why they're *trying* to build a third, but when its completed, one of the other 2 will have to be shut down to be fixed.

The electric grids are at max capacity at all times, and during about 50% of the time are over-juiced (for lack of better term).

Basically, NYC is already maxed out on all of its resources, and couldn't handle all of the added people,cars,flights,etc. Apparently the NYC Olympic committee forgot about these things, or just thinks the problems will disappear. NYC is a city that has to be operational at all times. It can't just be shut down everyday that the Olympics are there, so tourists can use it.

Personally, I'd like to see them back in St. Louis soon, because I wasn't exactly alive when they were last here.. ..Yea, I know, pipe dream.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 9):
so was Salt Lake, to a lesser degree.


Actually

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 9):
the United States does not have what it takes to stage an olympics.

Actually, Los Angeles and Lake Placid are two of the best host cities in Olympic history


Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 15):
the lame opening ceremonies.

I don't consider Muhammad Ali to ever be lame

Personally, I think London should be the host city



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25 Monteycarlos : Haha, that is a funny comment! To be honest, NYC doesn't need money. Really, Why? I agree. I don't believe NYC should have them so soon after the ATL
26 Post contains images 707CMF : Yes please !!! That way we would avoid all that mess in Paris !!! I don't really know, and I don't really care Cheers, 707
27 Virgin744 : NO. It will probably end up in Europe.... virgin744
28 Banco : One of the things that the London points out is that we have never been awarded the Olympics. London has stepped in twice before when for whatever re
29 Post contains images JGPH1A : On balance, I'd prefer the games not to be in NYC, I'd rather they were in Paris or London. Paris because Paris will do a better job (it is already th
30 Post contains images Banco : My dear chap, those of us not associated with the ghastly "chav" mentality will simply head down to Hickstead where the showjumping would be held. No
31 JGPH1A : ...or a horse. People will mistake me for Camilla, and curtsey. Do you think they'll have other "nice" sports like sailing and rowing in the genteel
32 Post contains images Iakobos : ...and the 3,000m steeple with raised hurdles will officially become a sprint.
33 Banco : I doubt it. You don't look sufficiently youthful. I believe Tilbury Docks is the location for some of the athletic events, such as the 100m with a DV
34 Wunala : I think you will find that Sydney will go down in history as better than LA and Lale Placid. I am not being bias, as I was actually overseas during t
35 Iakobos : It seems like every other Olympics in recent times have given the opportunity for the locals to introduce a highly competitive but less known sport. I
36 SXFAN : Quoting Wunala reply 34 "I think you will find that Sydney will go down in history as better than LA and Lale Placid. I am not being bias, as I was ac
37 JGPH1A : Madrid - long-distance fasting. Competitors are forced to wait until 10pm before being served dinner. The winner is the one who dies of starvation la
38 Misbeehavin : I think it's a toss-up between Paris and London. And London should get the games, because they need it more than the other 4.
39 Banco : How do you mean?
40 Misbeehavin : For one of the premier and most important cities in the world, London's public infrastructure is shocking. I was there over the past weekend and coul
41 LTBEWR : I work in NYC and live about 12 miles west of the city in New Jersey, near some of the proposed 2012 NYC Olympic venues (Giants Stadium for example).
42 Csavel : LTBEWR, You hit the nail right on the head about why NYC2012 is the worst idea since the specter of Mayor Abzug was a possibility, especially about Mo
43 ANITIX87 : My vote is YES! I was in Greece for the a week before the games this summer, then went to the Opening Ceremony (row 14!) and to a different sporting e
44 Alberchico : as someone who lives 10 blocks away from the proposed site I say NO. The biggest mistake was putting it in Manhattan. No other city has huge sports ve
45 SLC1 : First of all, Salt Lake WAS NOT a disaster, it was actually a success story. We have a much nicer city now than we ever could have thought of before t
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