SWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 43 Posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4191 times:
I just found my scissors with a melted part and black marks on the metal! I asked my son what happened to them and he started screaming and ran to his closet to hide.
Turns out he got the scissors out of the drawer this morning and while I was cleaning, went in his room and cut the PLUGGED IN cord to his radio clean in half!!!!!
The severed end was still plugged in just now when we found it! Good lord! How scary is that! Needless to say the scissors are now locked up. He has never even so much as looked at the scissors before! What possesed him!?
These outlets say GFCI protected on them. Does that mean that as soon as he cut it the current stopped? Or could he have still killed himself? Was that plugged in end still live? Could he have burned the house down? OMG!!!!! Freaking out here!
Planespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4185 times:
kids naturally are curious, they want to explore and seek out their surroundings, you did the right thing by hiding the scissors, but also try explaining to him that wires are dangerous and he could get hurt by playing with them.
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 39 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
GFCI circuits, by their nature, are designed to trip off as soon as they detect a short circuit (your son with those scissors most likely created a short circuit).
Kids are naturally curious and really have no fear. My son, at 5 or 6, decided it would be a good idea to light candles and drop them in a trash can full of catalogs. I came home to my bed mattress being carried out of my smoldering home by the fire department. Luckily, while the house was toast, nobody was hurt.
DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
SWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 43 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4150 times:
Oh trust me! We told him how dangerous it was!
I have in the past too! That's why I am so surprised he did this! This child seems to have little fear though. That worries me.
WOW MXCtrlr! Sorry to hear that! Glad nobody was hurt. Gee's, what my kid did is small potatoes compared to you!
The radio is a radio/alarm clock so yes it has a continuous current to it. I do realize though that even when something is "off" it is still live electrically.
Being a parent is scary stuff sometimes. And to think he is only 5. So many years of worry to come!!!
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13369 posts, RR: 64 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
The son of my second ex once, at the age of five, got up early on a sunday morning and decided that it was a smart thing to stick a nail into a wall socket (we have warned him a lot about electricity), he even managed to touch the live wire and complete a circuit to ground. Fortunately he provided a good resistance, so that the resulting electric shock hurt him, but not too much (he had a small burn blister on his finger though). He didnï¿½t even cry, we only noticed when we found the nail sticking out of the wall socket. He never fooled around with electricity since.
On the other hand, also at the age of four or five, he ran away from his mom on a busy street and right in front of a car. Fortunately the lady driver had good reactions and just bumped him slightly. He took this as a reason to tell his mom that what she told him about cars hurting people was bullsh*t, because it didnï¿½t hurt him at all!
There were other similar stories, that until he was about 10 years old, you had to watch him continously or he would endanger himself or others...
The guardian angel of this boy was defintitely doing overtime!
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4141 times:
Quoting SWA TPA (Thread starter): He has never even so much as looked at the scissors before! What possesed him!?
In the past I've found bread in the VCR, bit's of stereo making a trail leading to my girls' room, mud on sofas, destroyed appliances and once - a smashed up TV. All at the hands of two sweet little blonde 3 year olds. Kids are capable of ANYTHING.
Quoting SWA TPA (Thread starter): These outlets say GFCI protected on them. Does that mean that as soon as he cut it the current stopped? Or could he have still killed himself? Was that plugged in end still live? Could he have burned the house down? OMG!!!!! Freaking out here!
I have a feeling things would have been okay. I'm not well versed in how electricity works in the United States - but that individual powerpoint would probably have automatically switched off. In Australia I know there is a switch with a power box that automatically switches all electricity off in the house if there is a short-circut. I'm no expert, but considering your kid didn't get electrocuted when the metal on the scissors touched the wire, the wire wasn't live.
How old is he, may I ask? Because in my experience - this sort of stuff is fairly common to 2-5 year olds.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4113 times:
That's nothing... when I was in 8th grade a kid in my science class was changing the lightbulb of a lamp when he decided to lick (!!!) the terminals. Lamp was on. Brain was not. I still see the guy sometime and ask him what the hell he was thinking.
Curious toddler is one thing. Stupid teenager is another.
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4107 times:
I guess he wins the Darwin Award! LOL, just kidding. I think every kid is curious about what their parents say to stay away from. For instance, I ate a moth ball one time when even though my parents told me to never put it in my mouth.
I had to go to the doc, pumped my stomach, and I had mothball breath for the next week. Like everytime I breathed it smelled like an old lady's closet LOL!
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4084 times:
Quoting SWA TPA (Thread starter): These outlets say GFCI protected on them. Does that mean that as soon as he cut it the current stopped? Or could he have still killed himself? Was that plugged in end still live? Could he have burned the house down?
What happens is that a GFCI is supposed to detect free current flow, such as occurs if an applance gets submerged in water. Which is why they are required to be installed in bathrooms and kitchens. Since it sparked when he cut it, I suspect that he did cross the positive and negative leads in the cord with the scissors but it wasn't enough to blow the GFCI or breaker.
If the plug still works after this and didn't pop a breaker then yes, the cord was still live after he cut it. In theory yes he could have started a spark that would have caused a fire.
I have a power story too. My dog as a puppy picked up the habit of chewing on cords. Got her broken of it one night, when she chewed on one that was live.
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Mexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 2961 posts, RR: 30 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4081 times:
Eeeeek thats scary. Glad nothing bad happen, but still dangerous. No matter how many lectures you give your children they will be curious about stuff, just keep an on eye on them. Just let him know that electrical appliances or stuff that can cause a house fire are not toys or nothing to play with.
Quoting SWA TPA (Reply 7): The scissors are actually melted and black where the blade cut it. He says it sparked
He probably thought it was fireworks. I would have been scared.
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
Did he cut a cord that plugs directly into an outlet? Or was it a cord leading into a transformer that plugs into the wall? That makes a difference. The latter would mean the cord carried no more than 20 volts DC. All that might do is burn out the transformer without tripping a breaker or GFCI.
Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 12): I don't want to sound like a bad parent, but have you disiplined him? I know he was curious but disipline is sitll needed.
I'm not a parent, but I'd not discipline him in this kind of situation, because it's clearly a case of child curiosity. If the kid actually meant harm to something/one, then discipline would be in order I think.
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4059 times:
Regardless of GFCI, all he would have gotten would have been a minor shock as household current is only 110v. I've never heard of 110 causing serious harm, however, when I worked for the railroad we had onboard systems that ran at 220V. I know at least one conductor who received an electrical shock from the 220v battery charger line and had no lasting injury from it. 480 is what Amtrak uses for its trainline power. I have gotten shocked too, having gotten it while working inside the electrical cabinet of our Pullman car. I was reaching for a switch and grabbed hold of an energized breaker that had protective shields on the front and side but not the top. Being that the max voltage was 220, I turned out all right. Had it been 480 like on Amtrak and I'd have gotten fried.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
UAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4049 times:
What's the voltage on most power lines? There is an electric station (or whatever they're called) on the back side of our ranch in eastern OKlahoma where all of the powerlines meet and there's all this electrical stuff going on there. You walk by it and you can hear that electric "hummmmmm."
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13369 posts, RR: 64 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
Ok, here is Germany the generators of the power stations usually have an output of 10,000 to 20,000 Volts. This gets transformed up (still in the power station) to up to 250,000 Volts of overland transport (the huge steel pylons you see crossing the country). Outside cities, it gets transformed back down to 10,000 Volts for regional distribution. While some big companies have their own transformer stations and are directly connected to the 10kV network, the neighbourhoods within towns usually have a transformer station, bringing the voltage down to 400V three phase or 240V single phase, which is then brought to the individual homes.
DLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4030 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 19): What's the voltage on most power lines? There is an electric station (or whatever they're called) on the back side of our ranch in eastern OKlahoma where all of the powerlines meet and there's all this electrical stuff going on there. You walk by it and you can hear that electric "hummmmmm."
One night while I was out in some BLM land in northeastern New Mexico taking a few timed exposure shots, I was right near some high voltage lines coming up to the Durango area from the power plant down in Farmington and though I was about 100 yards from them I could hear the zzzzzz. That along with the oil pump that was maybe another 100 yards from me doing its --chunk chunk chunk-- sound, all alone in the quiet night made for a very eerie feeling.
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4003 times:
220 stepped down to 110 for household use. On our railcars, only the trainline itself was 220. All other systems were 110 and each car had transformers to step the voltage down.
As for the commercial lines, amperage and voltage are so high that the energy creates a sphere of danger about six feet in diameter for lower voltage lines. Even de-energized, those lines have enough residual static electricity to be highly dangerous.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
25 Euclid: I have a theory, but it is only a theory, mind you, that warning young kids about something actually makes the curious about something. I speak from m
26 Mdsh00: Exactly. I remember learning in physics that a static shock delivered by the tip of one's finger is over 10,000 volts. But this doesn't matter since
27 MD11Engineer: The problem with voltage is that the higher the voltage is for a fixed resistance, the higher the current is (provided the source can sustain it, a st
28 FlyAUA: Once when I was still a little kid I thought I wanted to help my dad by replacing a light bulb inside a lampshade... By mistake not realising what was
29 SWA TPA: Those stories are great! The mothball one, oh lord!!!!! I about fell out my chair laughing! LOL!!!!!!! Mothball breath!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good stuff
30 Superfly: SWA TPA: Glad to hear your son is fine. That could have killed him or caused some severe damage. My question is, what kind of music was being played a
31 Swatpamike: Hello all I had the nail in the wall socket experience once. ONCE Cheers swatpamike
32 MxCtrlr: Maybe now you can get him the bedtime story, "Why Mr. Fork and Mr. Electrical Outlet Aren't Friends"! MxCtrlr
33 Saxdiva: Gosh, I remember back when I was three or four--my brother and I were playing in our room when he decided he'd see if he could make a lightbulb light
34 LTBEWR: Back in about 1959, when I was about 6, and my brothers were 4 & 5, we decided to stick the car and trunk key to our father's 1957 Dodge (they were to
35 J_Hallgren: I remember as a kid (maybe around age 10-ish?), for fun, helping the local electrician/Western Auto store owner put up the lights on the Christmas tre