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Is Cheney Going To Step Down So Condie Can Run?  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

No one can dispute the power of an incumbency. The next Presidential election marks the first time an incumbent from the executive branch will not run for the highest office in the land in over a half century.

Is Dick Cheney going to resign so Condoleezza Rice can run for the President in 2008?

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Personally I don't care because I'd vote for neither of them  Wink

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

It's bad enough she's a kiss-up SecState. As VP? God help us, although Cheney, in mind, could be in prison if the nation found out everthing he's been in on since being VP.

And let Condi run. She'll lose.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
And let Condi run. She'll lose.

Policy aside... black + female alone and you've alienated a few southern states...

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Is Dick Cheney going to resign so Condoleezza Rice can run for the President in 2008?

The Vice President is not automatically the party nominee once the President's second term is up. If you recall, VP Al Gore had to battle it out with Senator Bill Bradley for the DNC nomination. It's an open race.

Besides, Cheney is old and politics ages you rapidly. The chances of him even trying for the RNC nomination is slim.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
No one can dispute the power of an incumbency.

Tell that to -



 scratchchin 

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
although Cheney, in mind, could be in prison if the nation found out everthing he's been in on since being VP

You hate him, fine by me... you don't have to repeat it at every single opportunity.  Wink


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
Is Dick Cheney going to resign so Condoleezza Rice can run for the President in 2008?

Why does he have to resign so she can run for the presidency?!



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Why Would America Want To Repeat Anymore Of the Bush Bullcrap that These Liars Have Reaped Upon Us All.

Rice has no integrity in my book.....wasnt she the one who said certain contents of the Aug 6th, PDB were just Historical statements...She is partially to blame for 9/11 and the loss of some of our freedoms....Condi is an embarrassment to the office of SOState she hasn't exactly been welcomed where BUSH has sent her.



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 4):

Why does he have to resign so she can run for the presidency?!

She doesn’t. But the force of incumbency is irrefutability a great benefit.

Quoting Rsmith6621a (Reply 5):
wasnt she the one who said certain contents of the Aug 6th, PDB

That one-liner from Fahrenheit 9/11…”I believe it was titled bin Laden determined to attack America” in reference to the August 6, 2001 PDB.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
You hate him, fine by me... you don't have to repeat it at every single opportunity.

The beautiful thing about freedom and being on this site is I can and will repeated it until Hell freezes over-and as long as I don't break forum rules.  Big grin


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
God help us, although Cheney, in mind, could be in prison if the nation found out everthing he's been in on since being VP.

Unfortunately, that would require a critical media (like WP of the Watergate era), something you'll be hard pressed to find these days...


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2293 times:

Cheney won't run . . . his heart won't take it . . . I don't think he'd BS his way through public opinion by stating it would. Further, the Halliburton ghost (yes, Ian, overblown I know) is still hanging about.

Condi won't run. As said here . . .

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Policy aside... black + female alone and you've alienated a few southern states...

and as Falcon has said before, you want to see a bunch of Southern State Conservative Republican voters abandon the GOP in short order - here's the catalyst.

And no where is it written a VP must resign so someone else can run for office.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2287 times:

I wonder what freedoms Rsmith has personally lost since 2001.

She won't run because everyone knows she can't win but I think the GOP wants to keep her around as a counter to Hillary.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Policy aside... black + female alone and you've alienated a few southern states...

It's that stampede I mentioned earlier-white conservative men defecting from the GOP, at least for that election, if she runs.

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 10):
She won't run because everyone knows she can't win but I think the GOP wants to keep her around as a counter to Hillary.

If it were Hillary vs. Condi, Hillary would win, and for one reason. You can figure it our.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21857 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 3):
Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
No one can dispute the power of an incumbency.

Tell that to -

Actually, I think that if Al Gore didn't have the political baggage of the Clinton administration and the Lewinsky scandal attached to him, he would have won. Incumbency can be a bad influence as well as a good one, but there's no denying that it's a powerful one.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2280 times:

I know Hillary would win against Condi.

I don't think there are any other female Republicans in any kind of position to compete though.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21857 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2274 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
If it were Hillary vs. Condi, Hillary would win, and for one reason. You can figure it our.

Wow, it's like the Bible Belt Catch-22. I wonder if any of them would even show up to the polls that day.  biggrin 

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Actually, I think that if Al Gore didn't have the political baggage of the Clinton administration and the Lewinsky scandal attached to him,

First, I don't think anyone ever tied in Gore to the Lewinsky scandal in any way. Secondly, with this present administration heading further to the left socially, and spending like they're old-time Democrats, the days of the Clinton years, and fiscal responsibility doesn't look all that unattractive to many people, I think.

Gore's problem WAS Clinton in '00-the fact he didn't use the greatest Democratic politician in 50 years to his advantage.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
First, I don't think anyone ever tied in Gore to the Lewinsky scandal in any way.

Gore was widely viewed as damaged goods because of the location of Bill Clinton’s penis.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21857 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
First, I don't think anyone ever tied in Gore to the Lewinsky scandal in any way.

I certainly remember them doing it - it was the chief rallying cry of the Bush people on the streets in New York. And I'd be very surprised if a good portion of the country didn't at least consider it.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 16):
Gore was widely viewed as damaged goods because of the location of Bill Clinton’s penis.

Completely unjustified as it was - I'd agree.

Some of the more neo-con folks I spoke with considered Gore's lack of opinion on the subject as tacet approval and therefore lumped him in the same dung heap as Clinton.

I didn't vote for Gore, but I have sense enough to know it was Clinton that got the blow job . . . and his association or disassociation (however it might have been) with Clinton had no bearing on my decision.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2241 times:

Voters didn't associate Al Gore to Bill Clinton's personal affair with Monica Lewisnsky.
The media just hated Al Gore for no specific reason. The press bashed Al Gore every opportunity they could. When Gore chose Joe Leibermann as his VP candidate, the press instantly drew distinctions between Gore and Leibermann. The press made it look like Gore was putting Leibermann up to some sort of dirty tricks.
The press made no distinctions between Bush & Dick Cheney.
Despite the consistant trashing by the media, most voters went ahead and voted for Al Gore to be the 43rd. President but we all know what went down in Florida.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
The press made no distinctions between Bush & Dick Cheney.

That's because they're both the same: despicable assholes.  Big grin


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
That's because they're both the same: despicable assholes.

Oooooopps, I forgot ot include that.
I didn't want to seem partisan.  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
The press made no distinctions between Bush & Dick Cheney.

That's because they're both the same: despicable assholes.

I have a tough time figuring out which one is the more despicable a-hole.


User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1822 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2217 times:

So the next presidential election is going to be fought between Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice?

and America gets its first woman president  bigthumbsup 



Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 23):
So the next presidential election is going to be fought between Hillary Clinton and Condi Rice?

and America gets its first woman president

I wouldn't hold your breath. I still think Hillary is going to pass on running this time, which is, admittedly, a calculated risk for her. If she doesn't run, and a Republican wins in '08, she can still run in '12. But if a Dem wins, and she's not on the ticket, it's very likely her chances to run and win are gone, as she'd be in her 70's if that Dem won two terms and served till '17.

And I don't think Condi will run either.

But again, I really don't want to get into presidential election politics till after the '06 midterms.


25 102IAHexpress : Dick Cheney would never resign. Furthermore a Vice Presidential resignation would cause a media circus. And even if he did resign, I doubt that the s
26 Mir : Oh that one's easy. Hint: he has a D in his name. -Mir
27 Post contains links Superfly : You know it's interesting, most people who hate Hillary Clinton don't know why they hate her. Those right-wingers that spew out so much venom against
28 B757300 : To answer the question, no he isn't. The same rumor was floated around for almost a year before the 2004 election and in the end it never happened.
29 Post contains images Falcon84 : They can think of plenty. -She's a woman. -She's a Democrat -She's Bill Clinton's wife. -She ran that health care debacle. -She doesn't like George B
30 Post contains images Superfly : Sounds like they gonna tar & feather her down in Alabama!
31 Pope : Twice in one day the Falconer and I agree. That's ridiculous. If Clinton could have run for a third term he would wiped the floor with W. Why do you
32 ZRH : As a non US citizen I never understood why people made such big deal out of the so called Lewinsky affair. In my opinion it should have only concerne
33 Santosdumont : His policies aside, I don't think Cheney's heart could withstand the rough-and-tumble presidential campaign process. As for Condi, I don't think the R
34 WhiteHatter : Even more basic than that, Middle America is not ready for a black President. Never mind a woman. If anything it would split the right wing vote betw
35 SCCutler : Nice to see articulate, well-reasoned political discussion. Sad thing is, I know you can do better. Name-calling is intellectually lazy. 'Fly, who ha
36 Falcon84 : You call a spade a spade, SCCutler. I believe every bit of what I say, and I'm not backing off of it. What part of the 1990's did YOU miss, dude? Wha
37 Post contains images DfwRevolution : In theory you are correct, it should have been a middle page story with Jay Leno taking stab at it for a few weeks. Without getting to much into the
38 FlyingTexan : Just out of curiosity, Texdravid, please name the extent of subsides the Sherman, Texas medical community receives from the government.
39 Texdravid : What is a subsides?!! I take it you mean subsidies? As in medicare/medicaid. Look, for your own benefit, don't take this conversation where I think y
40 FlyingTexan : Oh really, doc? And what I do is something you would never do! As you may or may not be aware, I spent a month in several hospitals this past winter.
41 Texdravid : I'm sorry if you had some interaction with doctors who did not treat you well while in the hospital. But to say that some or even most of us are gett
42 Post contains images FlyingTexan : =
43 Post contains images Texdravid : Flying Texan, Everything I have I earned I did it the old-fashioned way--hard, HONEST work. Last time I checked, if you do that in America, you deserv
44 FlyingTexan : Doc, you have no class.
45 Texdravid : And you sir, have no clue, as well as no class!! Why don't you turn on the pity card, just like your friend Falcon?!! Your rants are straight from th
46 ZRH : Why did this ridiculous affair even go to a grand jury?
47 SCCutler : ...and I will defend to the death your right to do so. But. The practice of simply calling people names because you disagree with them is repugnant t
48 Santosdumont : Texdrdavid wrote: Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 33): As for Condi, I don't think the Republicans -- or Democrats for that matter -- have evolved to the
49 MD-90 : She's a conservative from Alabama. I don't think so, bubba. Especially if Hillary runs. Most people around here think she's the she-spawn from hell.
50 ConcordeBoy : Considering the INCREDIBLE sheep-herd mentality of so many Blacks around the country.... would be damn interesting to see the results of a Condi run n
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