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For Those Who Can't Stand President George W. Bush  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

To counter this love-fest going on with SFOMEX, and the other Kool-Aid drinkers, who think this guy is some great guy or president, that he's has intergrity (snicker); that he's done so much good for the US and the world, this one is dedicated to all of us-the real majority, who know this guy is one of the biggest disasters the U.S. has ever had.

All you Bush-lovers, who have been ruining the dinners of all of us who know better about this man, are welcome to join, just so we have some entertainment in making your pro-Bush arguments a butt of some good jokes.

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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Well Falcon84, this is my exact reply from the other thread you made reference to. As a former supporter of Bush and the GOP, it bears repeating here as well:


I USED support President Bush and the Republican Party but lost all interest in them after their handling of the Terri Schaivo debacle. To steal a quote from another thread I started here:

''To maintain the constitutional principle, we should support Supreme Court decisions, even when we may not agree with them.'' (President John F. Kennedy, News conference, 1962)

Since that time, I want little or nothing to do with the GOP (and I'm not to fond of the Democrats either, but that's another story).

As far as I'm concerned, every politician is only "pro-life" or "pro-choice" when it suits their particular needs at that moment - in other words, every damn one of them are liars, cheats and hypocrites!


MxCtrlr  bouncy 



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
the real majority

Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

 Wink



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 2):
Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

Looking at the numbers on almost every indicator today, James, not really.

Actually, you do have a point-the country is very evenly split, and I really don't think there is a clear-cut majority of any kind right now. So I will give you that.


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Quoting Jamesag96 (Reply 2):
Hmmm...well that is factually wrong isn't it?

If you are referring to election numbers, remember that not all Americans voted in the past election. There was a higher-than-normal turnout but still not all citizens exercised their right to vote (which is a waste).

Based on that, assuming many of the people who didn't vote were disenchanted with both candidates, then Falcon84's statement of "the real majority" is factually correct.

MxCtrlr  bouncy 



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

CaptOveur has his bottle, now I have mine...



User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Alrighty then Falcon, I refer you to my anti-Bush post in SFO's "Dubya circle-jerk" thread, and as I promised in that post (I am a man of my word), I would be "fair and balanced" and try to say something positive about the man in this thread...

Here goes...*cracks knuckles and hammers away at the keyboard* Big grin

Bush came in controversial from the start...of course it came from bitterness stemming from Florida, though every independent recount since has shown Bush would have had the state. Anyone remember the snafu with China over the EP-3? Seems like ancient history when you consider what then happened in September of that year...

And this is where I saw a President in him. Sure, extremist thugs can nitpick on his reaction all they want (hindsight is 20/20), but I believe he handled himself well, as well as the crisis on hand. And it was in the days after 9/11 that he seemed to actually come off as a decent orator (the Reagan eulogy was also great, shame it takes death and tragedy to get good speeches out of him). I'll never forget that moment he visited Ground Zero, his impromtu "I can hear you! I can hear you, the world can hear you, and the people who knocked these buildings down...will hear ALL of us soon!" Sure, TSA was lame, and the Patriot Act was Ashcroft's wet dream, but Bush finally had won over the nation and much of the world was on our side...until his bullshit with Iraq...however, again, I refer you all to my reply in SFO's thread.

The economy...I also touched on it in SFO's thread, however, as I stated before, the economy is cyclical. It isn't all Bush's fault, and I certainly ain't gonna blame him for every little thing. (Deficit complaint: See my reply in SFO's thread).

Bush stands up to his ideals...now I have complaints on his stubbornness on certain issues and the seeming deaf ear he turned to anyone with a differing opinion (I know, I know, this is supposed to be the positive post, sorry, sorry, but it had to be said Falcon.) Nevertheless I admire this man for having such strong convictions and not backing down. That takes backbone...too bad he's still the bitch of Halliburton...oops, sorry, last time, I promise!  angel 

For awhile I also approved of Bush's cabinet choices...I think Tom Ridge was a superb choice, Rice was fine as National Security advisor, Powell a well spoken and intelligent Secretary of State, Norman Mineta isn't given a lot of credit with handling the transportation crisis on and after 9/11...he did his best. Even Rummy had his pluses before he went off the deep end around the time of Iraq and began to come off as an asshole. Ashcroft was, well, nobody liked him, he was a fruitcake who wore the Bill of Rights like a loin cloth.

Well, I have other positive things, as well as other negative things to say about Bush...but I admit, I'm not taking either of these threads that seriously.  Silly Not worth it really since it's a rehashing of the same, tired liberal vs. conservative BS.

Cheers Alpha/Falcon and the rest!

 airplane B4e-Forever New Frontiers airplane 


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Here's what I posted in the support thread of W:

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 31):
I'm a moderate, and see both sides of the issues, and find myself agreeing with Dems. on some isssues, and the GOP on others. I find myself becoming more conservative on some social issues, but still moderate/liberal on economic issues. On some issues, Dubya is too extreme...like the amendment to ban gay marriage, although I don't support gay marriage, I think adding it to the Constitution is going too far. I disagree on abortion and his decision ot intervene in the Schaive case as well...regardless of the decision, government doesn't belong in people's personal decisions...period...regardless of what party they belong to. I had the privilege of voting yes on Oregon's Right-to-die measure in 1994, and it pisses me off that the GOP keeps trying to overturn it. That said, I think W is absolutely right on taxes and social security reform and gun control. I don't like extremism...on either side...and I think the "silent majority" would agree with me on that. Right-wing and left-wing wackos scare me EQUALLY.

I voted for Clinton in '92 and '96. I voted for Dubya in '00 and '04. Depending on who runs in '08 and what their views on certain issues will determine who I vote for, and if they're both extremists (i.e. Santorum vs. Dean, say) I'd sit it out entirely as a protest. If a moderate Dem. is more appealing than a Republican in 2008, I'll vote Dem. While not a lot by any means, I did contribute some money to W's presidential campaign last fall. I've voted for senators and governors from both parties in both Oregon and Washington, and no...not at the same time! I stand behind every vote I've cast in my relatively short voting career....Slick Willie and Dubya included.

I like Dubya...even if I disagree with him, I know where he stands, there's little or no confusion about it. He's a plain talker and isn't afraid to say what he means. I recall in the 2000 debates how "canned" and "phony" Al Gore sounded, and how "genuine" and "straight up" Dubya was. To give credit where credit is due, I also recall this past fall how terrible Dubya did in the foreign policy debate, and how much better Kerry was.

My two cents...for what's it worth. I'm sure I'll get flamed for something, have at it, I dont care.


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Well I certainly know which of the two threads I'm supporting!!


Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 1):
I USED support President Bush and the Republican Party but lost all interest in them after their handling of the Terri Schaivo debacle.

Couldn't possibly agree more.....

Quoting MxCtrlr (Reply 1):
Since that time, I want little or nothing to do with the GOP (and I'm not to fond of the Democrats either, but that's another story).

....and yet, I just did.


MxCtrlr, seein' 100% eye-to-eye with you on this bud.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Most rational and reasonable Americans will both like and dislike some things about GWB, and similarly like and dislike some things about the Dems. Their decision to vote for GWB was likely a weighing of the pros and cons.

Anyone who "can't stand" GWB is not exhibiting rational thought processes. "Can't stand" is not a reasonable emotion; indeed it is more an extreme personal hatred devoid of calm reason.

Any American who "can't stand" GWB or any other politician needs to settle down a little.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

In the other GWB thread, in response to people talking about Bush's honesty, I mentioned the small little white lie about no WMD. And the right wingers STILL have the gaul to complain about the Lewinsky affair! As if there's any comparison between lying about an intern and lying about going to war.

And did any of you see the cover story on nyt.com today? The one about Bush's environmental policy guy, who deliberately whitewashed all language saying that global warming actually existed. Naturally, the environmental policy guy is a former oil lobbyist. The sad thing is that sort of thing doesn't surprise anyone anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/08/po...1a5d025aa&ei=5094&partner=homepage

I was never less proud to be an American than election day, 2004. It's sad how people buy Bush's act, hook, line, and sinker. It's sad that small-minded and provincial people in America care more about banning gay marriage and abortion, than they do about the economy, our sinking dollar, the blurring of church and state, and our freefalling standing in the world. How Bush stands idly by while the environment is getting destroyed, and kisses the boots of his business supportes. The invasion of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, and has never been a source of terrorism, while a country like Iran quietly develops into a real threat.

Two hundred years from now, when America is nowhere near the great nation it once was, historians will look back at the 8 years of the Bush administration as the beginning of a great period of American decline.


User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

What scares me most about a lot of a certain type of conservatives as well as some liberals is their willingness to blindly accept an individual and their policies with little deviance from party line, their willingness to encroach on civil liberties and constitutional boundaries, and their thinking that somehow God likes them for voting for Bush (you're not fooling anyone Bush, you've killed more "lives" than you've ever thought about saving - Frying People in Texas, Iraq, and, oh, remember those people in a PVS in Texas that wanted to be kept alive, they were gone too - I probably would have done the same thing, but don't put on an act with the Terry Schiavo bullshit.)

It baffles me also that the PUSA doesn't understand the constitution. Judges are SUPPOSED to be unaccountable to the public, and relatively unchecked, that's the freaking point, so they aren't distracted by politics or special interests. Also, btw, this country is not run the majority as I've heard Bush and his supporters imply on several occasions -- the constitution is designed to protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority.

There's my rant.


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

I have to agree. While I personally feel that some Republicans are a bunch of lying hypocrites, if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing.


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User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing

Ya, but they're not in power, so we'll wait til they are. The only thing that makes me gravitate toward the Democratic party is my political ideology which is slightly Democratic.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Any American who "can't stand" GWB or any other politician needs to settle down a little.

Anyone who isn't an American shouldn't go lecturing one, like myself, on how he/she should feel about their president, got it?


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

“Easier to solve a problem when you know a lot about it” – President Bush

As heard on NPR’s Morning Edition 08 Jun 05, President Bush meeting with Prime Minister Blair at The White House, Tuesday, June 7.

Easier to solve a problem when you know a lot about it - ?

Don’t we have a big issue in the Middle East, one which this statement is appropriate.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2007 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
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As quite a few have observed - George W Bush lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever. He makes up his own uninformed mind and then acts on it. He's kind of like the cat in the Gary Larson cartoon "what dogs hear, what cats hear".


It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
I have to agree. While I personally feel that some Republicans are a bunch of lying hypocrites, if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing.

Hence the political landscape. I don't believe any of them. It's all bullshit.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 17):
As quite a few have observed - George W Bush lacks any intellectual curiosity whatsoever.

I also find it difficult to believe someone like Kerry, who for example, couldn't make up his mind on anything in the last 30 years and come off as a pompus ass eletist. Dude has hundreds of millions of dollars. Like he gives a damn about the common man. That being said, niether does anyone else.  twocents 



This is the Last Stop.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

GWB is a swell guy and I'd love to have him and the Missus at a party. Preferably drunk or stoned. Or both.

I just don't think he's the right man for the job of President of the United States.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 10):
Anyone who "can't stand" GWB is not exhibiting rational thought processes. "Can't stand" is not a reasonable emotion; indeed it is more an extreme personal hatred devoid of calm reason.

I did vote for Kerry in crucial Ohio and will always say that I "can't stand" GWB for what he did in Iraq and for being an asocial dumb person - thus far, I am searching for the pro's... the search has been eternal...


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I have lots of commentary in this thread . . . rather than copy paste, here's a link. It's the "other" Bush thread currently running . . .

For Those Who Support President George W. Bush (by SFOMEX Jun 8 2005 in Non Aviation)

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 6):
Alrighty then Falcon, I refer you to my anti-Bush post in SFO's "Dubya circle-jerk" thread, and as I promised in that post (I am a man of my word), I would be "fair and balanced" and try to say something positive about the man in this thread...

Here goes...*cracks knuckles and hammers away at the keyboard*

Great post B4e . . .

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13):
I have to agree. While I personally feel that some Republicans are a bunch of lying hypocrites, if you look over at the Democratic party you will find the same thing.

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Quoting SLC1 (Reply 14):
Ya, but they're not in power, so we'll wait til they are.

Then it will be the extremist right wing neo-cons running threads like this against whomever . . . only thing different will be the target . . .

Quoting TPASXM787 (Reply 18):
I also find it difficult to believe someone like Kerry, who for example, couldn't make up his mind on anything in the last 30 years and come off as a pompus ass eletist.

 checkeredflag  Bingo! He is a pompous elitest that couldn't find his ass with both hands and a squad of Cavalry Scouts. His message changed from location to location. And I still question his dubious military record which he has STILL failed to release to the public via SF181. Now . . . before the liberal nut-job jump on this, let me say . . .I'm NOT overly thrilled with PotUS military record, it is abysmal, but at least he had the gut to release the ENTIRE record. OK, Kerry, show us the record . . . put up or shut up. Now, since this isn't a Kerry Bashing thread, I'll leave it at that. . . . .

Good Day


User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

ANC, I remember you saying a while back when I accused you of being Republican, you shot back with and "independent, independent, independent!" reply.

And yet I see you doing nothing but defending the Republican party and bashing the Democrats. IMO, that's not an Independent. I have no problem whether you are Republican, Democrat or whatever, but can you explain how you call yourself an independent??


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Usairways, go read the other thread, then tell me if you feel the same way . . . I bashed Kerry, not the Democrats . . . no where did I say democrats in this thread or the other - I said "liberals". A liberal is not necessarily a Repub, Dem or otherwise. . . .

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting Usairwys757 (Reply 22):
ANC, I remember you saying a while back when I accused you of being Republican, you shot back with and "independent, independent, independent!" reply.

To be honest, I am with ANC.. same happened to me where I was "accused" of being a leftist - I do not want to subscribe to a standardized ideolgy, but have my opinons.,, there might be more leftist in conventional terms, but too easy to describe me  

Edt: Usairwys757, to understand what I mean see

Is Cheney Going To Step Down So Condie Can Run? (by FlyingTexan Jun 6 2005 in Non Aviation)

[Edited 2005-06-08 18:29:45]

25 Jaysit : He is a pompous elitest that couldn't find his ass with both hands and a squad of Cavalry Scouts. LOL. That is one of the funniest statements I've rea
26 Post contains images Usairwys757 : Fair enough, maybe I am basing it on the statements I have read. I know I havent seen all of them, so maybe it was an unfair judgement on my part. In
27 Falcon84 : They should-and draw the moderats from both major parties into a strong, third, centrist party.
28 Post contains images Mrniji : Yeah, lets found a party
29 ANCFlyer : I'd pay real money for that . . . I'm so so sick of the partisan political back stabbing and grandstanding . . . and the stagnation this country face
30 Post contains images Mrniji : More interesting is the distribution of power.. ANC is the most diplomatic person here = president ; USAir will be vice president, falcon will establ
31 Post contains images TPASXM787 : I'm for whatever position you would see fit. However, with the luck I have, I'd get picked to wash ANC's truck I could also get a 787 type rating and
32 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : The world would never be the same . . . No, you will be at least SecState Subin . . . International Relations appears to be one of your strengths! Se
33 Post contains images Falcon84 : I think most people here would just like to relegate me to Majority Whip.
34 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : Ooh, ooh, ooh, can I be SECDEF?
35 TPASXM787 : I don't know...you are from South Carolina...it might lose us some votes...
36 Post contains images Theredbaron : mmm.../ this was my candidate for prez, too bad he did not run.. now on a more constructive note, have you ever considered that the next president of
37 Post contains images AC_A340 : While I have no authority on the subject, nor am I allowed to vote in the elections in the US, I do not like his administration. The Iraq situation. H
38 ANCFlyer : Got any time in uniform Garnet? That would be your first qualification to overcome.
39 Yyz717 : Then you shouldn't post on an international website then. As such, my query is as valid as any American's. Your vehement over-the-top opposition to a
40 Drgreen757 : Wow, this thread really makes me sick. You people must follow Rosie O'Donnell around sniffing her ass, listening to the spew that emits from her filth
41 Post contains images Mrniji : Wrong. De jure, he counts as elected, as the US is a democracy and the further appointment "happened in accordance with the laws" (which were reinter
42 SCCutler : I would be fascinated to read how you might authenticate these observations and accusations. Please, cite to your source for the statement (recited b
43 Drgreen757 : I have looked in the mirror buddy, and do you know what I see...a person who somehow manages to tolorate all you little Bush bashing weasels. But tha
44 Mrniji : Well, my friend, tolerance is a good starting point! My complements.. keep on going, and you might even develop merits in acceptance and respect, and
45 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Eagles may soar, but weasels are never sucked into jet engines. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
46 N1120A : No, actually, it is factually correct Um, do you really believe the words coming out of your own mouth, or is this just some incredible ruse? A moder
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