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Brazil Approves End Of Visa For US Citizens  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6514 times:

HEADLINES:

The Brazilian Commission for International Relations, empanelled by the Brazilian Congress, has just approved the end of the "VISA reciprocity" policy of the country and, therefore, the end of the VISA requirement for US citizens. [The bill has been presented by Congressman Mr. Carlos Eduardo Cadoca (he is from Rio de Janeiro)].

Two other amendments to the bill were approved: 1) the non-reciprocity policy will also be extended to other countries with which Brazil has "economic and political interest" (the list specifies Japan, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand); 2) the Ministry of Tourism should prepare a second list of countries with which Brazil has tourism interest.

If the bill is approved by the Senate it will provide a substantive boos to Brazil air traffic and tourism. AA would be the first beneficiary. Brazilian Authorities also have in the pipeline the liberalisation of the current US-Brazil bilateral (currently operating in its limit).

For AA plans to open route to NE Brazil read:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2157000

Excellent news!

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Very good news, and a blow to some of the stupid, hot-headed and over reacting senators and politicians in this country.

Good news.

Cheers,
PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3965 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Hardiw:

This is excellent news.

I don't know what your source is, but here is the link to the press release in Portuguese on Cadoca's website: http://www.cadoca.com.br/noticias.php.


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6461 times:

Has the US stopped the visa fee for Brazilians also, or are the Brazilians simply one step ahead of the game?

Geoff M.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

http://www.cadoca.com.br/noticias.php?id=579

Indeed, above is Congressman's Cadoca (Rio de Janeiro) webpage with the press release informing the end of Brazil's VISA reciprocity policy.

This policy will have a huge effect in air traffic, boosting traffic US-Brazil....It also shows a major shift in the Brazilian approach towards the US VISA policy.

All in all, congratulations to the Brazilian Congress! The bill was approved with "ample majority".

Now Brazil only needs a new bilateral with the US...and AA can start flying to REC, FOR, BSB, MAO, BEL, etc, etc...

Rgs,


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Wait... so does this mean I don't have to get a VISA for my upcoming 4th of July trip??

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8876 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6399 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 3):
Has the US stopped the visa fee for Brazilians also, or are the Brazilians simply one step ahead of the game?

The U.S. has not conceded the same privileges.

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 5):
Wait... so does this mean I don't have to get a VISA for my upcoming 4th of July trip??

I don't know when this takes effect, but in the current conditions, I might suggest you call the consulate for more info and don't wait till the last minute for the VISA in case you'll still need it.

Have a nice trip BTW,
PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

It is about time. This is awesome news. Visa restrictions for US tourists to Brazil have sevrely limited the amount of Americans that visit this beautiful place. Instead, they opt for Argentina, Uruguay, and Peru when visting South America. This will also be a boom for air traffic to the region, and comes just at the right time, with AA announcing plans to fly to NE Brazil.


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User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):

I don't know when this takes effect, but in the current conditions, I might suggest you call the consulate for more info and don't wait till the last minute for the VISA in case you'll still need it.

Thanks, I'm calling them right now!


User currently offlineKempa From Brazil, joined Aug 2003, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

It looks like it was approved by the Foreign Relations Committee. I am guessing that it will only be in effect after it is approved by the congress, and published.

User currently offlineEMBTucano From Brazil, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 3):
Has the US stopped the visa fee for Brazilians also, or are the Brazilians simply one step ahead of the game?

No, and I doubt they will. I know that this can help the tourism in Brazil but I cannot agree with the decision. I think that the reciprocity is the right way to go.

Just my two cents.

EMBTucano



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

As American citizen I say: Bad news.. other countries need to impose pressure on our visa policies (though they remain to be better than those of Continental Europe)

User currently offlineJasePL From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 11):
As American citizen I say: Bad news.. other countries need to impose pressure on our visa policies

Why do you say that?

You might be American, but I don't think you're looking at the issue as one. Reciprocity is an important concept, certainly, but there need to be certain exceptions that are in the best interests of a country in question. I'd say the same thing of India as of Brazil: It really serves no purpose to demand visas from everyone, other than as an ego-fulfilling measure.

What on earth, for example, is the point of India requiring a visa from every single Swiss person? It's not as if there are millions of Swiss just dying to move to India. Removing that requirement, will help India more than it will help the Swiss.

Similarly, removing the visa requirements for Americans will help Brazil more than it will help Americans.

The fingerprinting deal, on the other hand, is quite another matter!  Wink


User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 11):
though they remain to be better than those of Continental Europe

As a brazilian citizen who just traveled to France, Switzerland and Italy without a visa, I contest that the USA visa policy is "better" then that of continental Europe.

As an american citizen I am not subject to the policy, but I work with those who are and it is a very big pain in the aft fuselage.

mrocktor


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 1):
Very good news, and a blow to some of the stupid, hot-headed and over reacting senators and politicians in this country.

The US and their World Bank runs your economy into the ground and what do you say? "More please!!"


User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

In a few years there will be wide-open borders from Chile to Canada, and it will be called the Pan-American Union. Believe it or not.

User currently offlineEMBTucano From Brazil, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 15):
In a few years there will be wide-open borders from Chile to Canada, and it will be called the Pan-American Union. Believe it or not.

 arrow Utopia - It is more likely that Canada will be isolated because the country right south of it will never open its borders.

Cheers
EMBTucano



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User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

The borders are wide open right now, and have been for years. All you must do is be willing to swim about 50 ft. Thousands upon thousands stroll across each and every day. BTW....I know many of those people that walk on in and they exhibit more "American" ideals and values than most of the indigent populous do.

Only by plane, train or automobile do you have to "show papers". But this is going away soon as well.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

Quoting EMBTucano (Reply 10):
No, and I doubt they will. I know that this can help the tourism in Brazil but I cannot agree with the decision. I think that the reciprocity is the right way to go.

I tend to agree. Especially a country like Brazil, that is not desperate to open further tourism since it already has a huge amount of tourists all year round. I would leave the reciprocity policy as well. Besides, most people in the US can afford a visa, so let them get one and make some extra cash while we're at it  Wink



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting UA744Flagship (Reply 5):
Wait... so does this mean I don't have to get a VISA for my upcoming 4th of July trip??



Quoting Kempa (Reply 9):
It looks like it was approved by the Foreign Relations Committee. I am guessing that it will only be in effect after it is approved by the congress, and published.

The most important part was the approval of the bill in the Commission. Now the bill has to be approved by the Congress. Considering that the bill was approved by the Foreign Relations Commission "with ample majority", it is expected that it will have a easy ride in the Congress (the Commission is composed by members of the Congress). I would say that the voting in the Congress will take place towards the end of the year - but I do hope they vote before Carnaval 2006  Smile

As mentioned above, this is a major step forward: the only countries in Latin America which require VISA for US citizens are Brazil, Venezuela and Suriname...

Brazil has hugely benefited from the European tourism boom in NE Brazil...every day there are more and more charter flights arriving in NE Brazil. The same could happen with the US if Brazil liberalises its US-Brazil bilateral and drops the VISA requirements.

AA can start preparing its plans for additional flights to secondary markets in Brazil!

As pointed out above, European countries (including the UK and Switzerland) do not require VISA for Brazilians. I hope this decision by the Brazilian Congress also sensitises the US authorities to revise or speed-up VISA application by Brazilian nationals. I also do hope that this decision will not lead the Europeans to impose VISA on Brazilian nationals.

Rgs,


User currently offlineRG828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6021 times:
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Quoting B744F (Reply 14):
US and their World Bank runs your economy into the ground and what do you say? "More please!!"

In essence I agree. What does Brazil get in return?

After all that hysteria regarding reciprocity, we turn our back on it for the greater benefit of the American traveller/tourist.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Quoting RG828 (Reply 20):
In essence I agree. What does Brazil get in return?

You are kidding, right?

What does Brazil get in return? How about the potentially hundreds of thousands of Americans that will be flocking to Brazil's affordable beach resorts in the Northeast now that they won't have to go through the hassles of getting a visa to visit.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
How about the potentially hundreds of thousands of Americans that will be flocking to Brazil's affordable beach resorts in the Northeast now that they won't have to go through the hassles of getting a visa to visit.

The benefits (in order):

1) million, million of dollars, through US tourists, in the coastal cities of NE Brazil (the poorest region of Brazil) = and the spill over effect: hotels, resorts, services...etc,etc;
2) a better air network connection between the NE and North Brazil with the US, therefore avoiding waste of time and money with connetions in GRU/GIG;
3) AA/MIA which will make a big party out of the Brazilian market - the same way TP/LIS is doing.

Rgs,


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
What does Brazil get in return? How about the potentially hundreds of thousands of Americans that will be flocking to Brazil's affordable beach resorts in the Northeast now that they won't have to go through the hassles of getting a visa to visit.

Yes, I agree. For US citizens it is great news.

But on the other hand I admired the Brazilian government for standing up against the never stopping unilateral decisions from the US government. And to be honest I felt kind of satified when I saw the Americans waiting in the line when I could quickly go through customs at GRU as a European citizen. This is what we've suffered all those years when we arrive in the USA. But again, I'm glad for the people that it's over.



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User currently offlineMagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

B744F

>>
The US and their World Bank runs your economy into the ground and what do you say? "More please!!"
<<

No, no, the correct sentence would be:
You say "More please" (and do not forget
to smile!!), or else the US and their World
Bank runs your economy into the ground!


25 B744F : With all the massive poverty and violence that unfortunately comes out of that, you won't get this large flock of tourists unless they plan on taking
26 Hardiwv : Just look at the Europeans flocking to NE Brazil. Btw: You are the typical "American" for which I must say I would be glad Brazil keeps the VISA reci
27 Post contains images EMBTucano : Since you live in Austin, I assume you have driven down south, say, to the Valley, which is less than 4 hours away from Austin. It surprises me that
28 RG828 : Well, I hope you are right about that. Somehow I dont see thousands of Americans flocking to Brazil just yet.
29 Magyar : >> Has the US stopped the visa fee for Brazilians also, or are the Brazilians simply one step ahead of the game?
30 MD80fanatic : The fence must have holes in it.....or it is incomplete.
31 MIASkies : I think a a toast with CAIPIRINHAS is in order here!!!! Isto é notícia fantástica! I agree with MAH's and other points on here, this change will on
32 Cairo : The new non-visa policy is worth at least another flight per week, if not per day, from America, which translates into thousands of extra tourists. I
33 MAH4546 : It is not going to happen overnight, but, the dropping of Visa restrictions will greatly increase tourism between the regions. I don't agree with Vis
34 Ahlfors : This will be good for tourism. However, there would have been a way to keep some reciprocity and still avoid the problem of having to get a visa befor
35 PA110 : Whoa! Hyperbole check! Hundreds of thousands of Amercans? Despite the affordability once you're there, the demographic just doesn't pan out. The mass
36 SBRFtoEHAM : Just a small correction here: Congressman Cadoca is from the state of Pernambuco (REC is the capital city), one of the places where lots of Caribbean-
37 B744F : The typical American? What is that supposed to mean? A typical American does not care about outrageous loans nor do they even know about them. Please
38 Incitatus : The State Department has clear guidelines for allowing visa free travel. Brazil never met those guidelines, while Argentina enjoyed visa free travel
39 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Completely agreed. Recriprocity is the way to go. I think Brasil is big enough that it doesnt need to bow down. = I agree with some of the things y
40 MAH4546 : Why don't you tell that to tourist promoters at popular, high-yielding beach getaways like Miami, Bonaire, Nevis, Nice, and Tahiti, where upscale res
41 Incitatus : Yes, it stops people. Have you ever dealt with the Brazilian consulates in the US? I have. Have you ever tried to get an event going in Brazil where
42 EZEIZA : exaclty, so why not keep requiring visa for US citizens and get some money out of it? A US citizen that really wants to go to Brazil will not be stop
43 Post contains images EMBTucano : You must be joking ! Have you ever (I am sure you have!) tried to get an event going in the US with all Brazilian citizens? Have you seen the lines,
44 MAH4546 : Like most Americans, they probably don't know. And when it comes time to planning a trip to Brazil, and an American discovers they need a Visa, they
45 LipeGIG : Same opinion as many brazilians, forget about US, let's go to Europe. What do you think about travel from your cities (there are consulates only in R
46 MAH4546 : Very true, I never said otherwise. Though the fact remains that American tourists can have a bigger impact on Brazil than Brazilian tourists can have
47 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = 100% agreed with your observation on Venezuela. However, I do think you need to read economic history to know that the Asian countries ALL grew wit
48 Misbeehavin : I'm not sure where it falls in the rankings, but don't forget Atlanta, GA. I have so many Brazilian friends here! Most legal, some not. But who cares
49 PPVRA : And jobs!!! Unemployment is the number one cause of violence! Which translates into a more dynamic economy. The NE of Brazil has always had a very po
50 Mrniji : Since when do all Americans have ONE SINGLE opinion? And since when are Americans solely American? The US are a great nation, that enabled their citi
51 Post contains images Jasepl : Ignoring the truthlessness (if that's a word) of the paragraph just before the one I've quoted, I will add that it isn't surprising we see it differe
52 Post contains images Jasepl : You are right! See reply 50!
53 Post contains images Mrniji : Depends how you define being countrymen (citizenship or ethnicity) - many people are much modern than you are and see factors beyond. Per law, I was
54 Paulc : shame - if more countries imposed the same visa requirements on US travellers as they do on others it might get somebody to realise that the visa poli
55 Mrniji : I fully agree, Paul - hence my support for retaliation! I am US citizen and think it is too easy for us, while we create obstacles for other people.
56 EZEIZA : Speaking about US and visas ... a famous Argentine actor was supposed to travel to the US for his brothers' wedding but was denied the visa because he
57 Hardiwv : Not so sure. Just to put some facts into perspective, and to underline how the US also hugely benefits from (and depend on) Brazilian tourists: = Bra
58 Post contains links Hardiwv : Btw, the data above was collected by the Travel Industry Association of America (TIA) http://www.tia.org/ Rgs,[Edited 2005-06-09 14:13:20]
59 Post contains images Incitatus : Tucano: I don't think these two issues -> US visas for Brazilians, and Brazil visas for Americans - should be tied like siamese twins. I've experimen
60 Post contains images Incitatus : Do you have any evidence that retaliantion works? Do you think the US would buckle and offer visa free travel to citizens of countries like Brazil, I
61 Erikwilliam : one step ahead. If u think in tourism terms, it´s better for Brazil.
62 Hardiwv : Excellent summary, which I completely subscribe. Very good post! Rgs,
63 MIA : I dont know why noone has mention Varig. This would be beneficial for them as well since they are the flag carrier. They might now restart their Manau
64 Hardiwv : RG is full of debts and cant even pay the lease for its aircraft...in general, there is no doubt that AA will be the airline benefiting most from the
65 Post contains links Travelin man : It seems to me that the Visa Waiver requirements in the US are pretty-well laid out: (from http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1255.
66 Post contains images Jasepl :
67 B747-437B : The interesting part about this requirement is that it is NOT applied on an ongoing basis, because if it was there would be a number of countries wit
68 Incitatus : Yes but the NIV refusal rate includes only the tiny minority of Canadian visitors-to-be that require a visa to enter the US. The NIV refusal rate of
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