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The State Of Political Discussion In Non-Aviation  
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Why a.net "politicos" have no lives whatsoever:

Non Aviation used to be a fun place to browse for a couple hours. Everybody used to poke fun at people and get poked back, all in good tasted humor. What the hell happened to that? The last few months have been nothing but the same political threads with the same players saying the same things throwing the same insults and generally going nowhere but insult-fests that everybody leaves with a bitter taste in their proverbial e-mouths. Gone are the days of intelligent discussion, now we have such things as:

Quoting Jmc1975Since pictures of President Bush are used in terrorist camps with the intended use as targets, what makes this ad justifiable?


Good lord dude, do you really think some low life with no money who might happen to be a liberal but is more of a businessman than anything is actually "out to get America?" Well maybe he's out for our wallets, but nothing else. If you truly believe that the add was designed to promote terrorism, then the terrorists indeed won.

You'd think that there may be isolated cases of ignorance, but no. Whether you are right, left, or moderate, the majority here on the forums belong to the "ignorant" party with such Gems as:

Quoting Falcon84:
Or the fact that your Savior, George W. Bush is on it, you get defensive about it? Answer that question, if you please.

Regardless of what you think, Falcon, GWB is nobody's savior unto all mankind. There are people that look up to him and there are people that believe he is doing good things in this world, but by and large, nobody thinks GWB is Jesus, so get off it.

My only complaint with

Quoting TedTAce:
'the freedom of speech'.

Is that it also promotes freedom of ignorance and the spreading thereof.

Another thing. Just because someone is a "leftie" doesn't mean that religion has no bearing on their lives:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80:
That sentense above sounds like it would be coming from a liberal, but NO its a Bushie bible thumper who thinks religion is the primary facit in everything

Why is there such a need to be so condescending?

Quoting ZOTAN:
Of course not; Bush is his savior....

Again with the ignorance.

Quoting SFOMEX:
Lets see if Nixon was right about the "silent majority." It's now or never! Post why you support him and how much you like him. Even if we are at the minority here, at least we would know that we are not alone in A.net.

Wake up and smell the beans buddy, no matter what any side says, both sides are very well represented on a.net. If you really think you are "alone" then perhaps you will be more at home here.

quote=Newark777 (Reply 4):
No. Has this character trait of his been overblown by nearly everyone in the media and entertainment industry, looking for any little thing to criticize him on? Yes

Where the hell were you when Kerry's character trait was up for grabs?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
*thinks to self: nice to see people following the popular thinking of "Bush is a liar" without anything to back it up*

Yes, there are alot of people here with "Bush is a liar" with no backup. But again, there are alot of people here with legitamate reasons why they think Bush is a liar. And again, where were you when "Kerry is a FLIP FLOP!"

Just doing my part to set the record straight.

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54 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

wtf did I do?



User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Go back to the original post and make corrections to the last hyperlink you added to the post.

[Edited 2005-06-09 04:06:35]

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
wtf did I do?

Now, that’s old-fashioned a.net!


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Eh it's close enough now.

User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 4):
Eh it's close enough now.

works for me  Smile

Quoting DLKAPA (Thread starter):
My only complaint with

Quoting TedTAce:
'the freedom of speech'.

Is that it also promotes freedom of ignorance and the spreading thereof.

I'm not sure what you're inferring here: Are you saying that freedom of speech promotes ignorance?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 5):
I'm not sure what you're inferring here: Are you saying that freedom of speech promotes ignorance?

Ok not so much that the freedom itself does, but people use freedom of speech to promote their own ignorance.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Thread starter):
Regardless of what you think, Falcon, GWB is nobody's savior unto all mankind. There are people that look up to him and there are people that believe he is doing good things in this world, but by and large, nobody thinks GWB is Jesus, so get off it.

You get off it, my friend. It's tongue-in-cheek, with the exception of a few, who really do believe the guy is Christ-like.

If you don't like it, either lump it or don't read it. Your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't impress me.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Thread starter):
Quoting TedTAce:
'the freedom of speech'.

Is that it also promotes freedom of ignorance and the spreading thereof.

Another thing. Just because someone is a "leftie" doesn't mean that religion has no bearing on their lives:

Yeap, I'm starting to cite Jerry Springer as how low we have gone these days. The problem is the SECOND you say "free speech...but" you line up with the ranks of Hitler, Stalin, and a couple other beloved (not) leaders..

I agree there is a LOT of VENOM. There are some a.net alternatives that make what occur here tame. Should we try to put the genie back in the bottle? I wish we could. I would like it if there was an ability for all of us to 'agree to disagree' sensibly. The problem is that even the most staunch anti-media necons watch Fox news from time to time, and the citations of Limbaugh and the like make it DAMN difficult to not make our issues personal.

The other problem is that a lot of people have a problem with segregating attacks of their ideas with attacks on THEM.

I would pledge to attack only ideas here, but I know that someone will drop the ball, mis read what I said, take it personally and attack me.
Should I try to take the higher ethical ground (as I don't believe in morals or God) sure. It's awefully difficult when so many others sink so low though...

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
wtf did I do?

Unless you are a webmaster, I imagine you had a case of being a normal human.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):

If you don't like it, either lump it or don't read it. Your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't impress me.

Ditto.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

DLKAPA, I'm holier than no one on here, and won't pretend to be. I don't get into fence-sitters, who say "tsk tsk" to both sides, as if they're somehow better than everyone else. I put out what I believe, stand by it ,and let the chips fall as they may. I'm not going to watch from the sideline, my friend. If I want to get involved in a discussion, I do. If I don't, I don't. But I don't bitch about anyone participating, or making their view known-unless it's Libturdslayer.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2905 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
Ok not so much that the freedom itself does, but people use freedom of speech to promote their own ignorance

I remember an episode of Yes Minister where Sir Humphrey explains that people in a democracy do not have the right know things but they do have the right to be ignorant.

Still in this forum it doesn't matter who or what you support, or dont support, because you will be branded a leftie or a right winger by someone of the opposing view to yourself. I find it strange that political debate can be so polarised nowadays with everyone feeling the need to be left or right with no-one in the middle to provide something sensible.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
DLKAPA, I'm holier than no one on here, and won't pretend to be.

See

Quoting Falcon84:
Or the fact that your Savior, George W. Bush is on it

Whatever you want to believe about yourself you come off like you think you're better than every conservative here.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

DLKAPA . . . hate to break this you young man, but this thread starter of yours puts you in the same league as the folks you so graciously highlighted.

I'm jealous I wasn't included in the esteemed list of violators  crazy   biggrin 


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 12):
Whatever you want to believe about yourself you come off like you think you're better than every conservative here.

That's not my problem. I cannot control how others perceive what I say. Everyone's perception is different.

Again, I say what I think, and may the chips fall where they may.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm jealous I wasn't included in the esteemed list of violators

You're one of the few people here who doesn't post ignorant shit.


User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 15):
You're one of the few people here who doesn't post ignorant shit.

Everyone is ignorant in regard to something. I see nothing wrong with ignorant posts, considering the poster learns from what they post.

Instead of bashing people for their ignorance, why not try to educate them instead?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 16):

Instead of bashing people for their ignorance, why not try to educate them instead?

I have. Some people are a lost cause.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 16):
Everyone is ignorant in regard to something. I see nothing wrong with ignorant posts, considering the poster learns from what they post.
Instead of bashing people for their ignorance, why not try to educate them instead?

I know I have learned a few things here by shoving my foot in my mouth. I have also learned that some people are not as smart as they think (HTML editing DLKAPA, look it up.)

I think the main problem is with those who are un-willing to learn. Whoever/whatever you think you are, if you refuse to learn, you are doomed to the fate of obsolescence.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
(HTML editing DLKAPA, look it up.)

http://rockymountainavphotos.com/Eric/myhomepagecoding.html Sorry but I did all that and everything linked to it. And if you really want to nit-pick, do you know how to create a table in HTML?


User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

I'm jealous I wasn't included in the esteemed list of violators


>>>gotta say I'm surprised I wasn't mentioned as well.



This is the Last Stop.
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Eric,

The U.S. is more divided and 'positional' than it has ever been in history.

Although I agree with the intention of your thread-starter, why would you expect that the tone of discussion would be any more productive or constructive than the average man on the street OR the politicians in DC?

Senators, Representatives and other members of the government routinely exaggerate facts and statistics to make their points. They also routinely characterize their opponents in the most evil and negative context that is possible.

If our own government is now on that level, it's not realistic to expect discussions in this forum to possess any more integrity or honesty.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
why would you expect that the tone of discussion would be any more productive or constructive than the average man on the street OR the politicians in DC?

Maybe I'm Naive in believing that the whole of america isn't a cesspool of stupidity, mistrust, and ignorance.


User currently offlineJake056 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

I get the distinct impression a LOT of you guys are students. Yes? If so, God bless you!! The job of students is to challenge authority!! doesn't mean you are right, but you are getting the debating skills you will need later in life. This isn't patronizing, truly, but my own observation from my life.

for those of you NOT students. Well, and your job is........?


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 22):
Maybe I'm Naive in believing that the whole of america isn't a cesspool of stupidity, mistrust, and ignorance.

Someone has to take responsibility for rising above all of the nastiness that you have referred to.

A few of us can make a difference on a.net . . . but I think it's going to be a very long time before in happens in Washington.



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25 TheCoz : I don't agree with you on this point, but you're right about the BS that goes on between politicians.
26 TedTAce : I haven't done it in a bit, but I know two of the tags are TR and TD
27 Post contains images TedTAce : Here is one: or were you looking for this:
28 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Dude, that's such a thin assesment...damn near invisible. If you really think that, no disrespect at all, but you're quite the optimist! I kinda admi
29 Texdravid : Very true. The rhetoric and bad-blood in Washington is at an all time high right now, courtesy of BOTH sides. No one in Washington is smelling rosey
30 ShyFlyer : Generally speaking, the American public no longer think for themselves. They believe every news report they see, not considering for a moment that th
31 MD-90 : And the fed guvment likes it that way. Why else are the public schools organized the way they are? They sure aren't intended to actually teach Americ
32 Post contains images DLKAPA : So is this: No matter what side you're on that makes me sick.
33 DLKAPA : And at the height of ignorance is not voting. Sorry MD-90, you're out.
34 Diamond : Coz, tell me more. At what point do you think it was ever worse than the present? Here are two guesses that I have: 1. I think there are fewer voters
35 DLKAPA : How do you hide their votes without losing the ability to keep them accountable?
36 Post contains images JGPH1A : Humour ? Yes, definitely. Good taste ? Hmmmmm, I have my doubts ! Even with Kirkie banned, a.net is hardly Oscar Wilde / Dorothy Parker sparkling wit
37 NYCFlyer : Oh for God's sake, enough already, you're not even American. I'm not even going to dignify that comment with a real response. Please refrain from lum
38 Nosedive : Actually yes, they would be different. Here's my speculation. Private voting records do not hold any accountability, thus senators/legislators can li
39 Post contains images TedTAce : What's really funny about this is it's titled "A4andstorm.jpg", yet it's a goosehawk That little bit of symantics aside: A) you did a nicer table bec
40 Post contains images NUair : God isn't the 04 election over yet? Although Kerry lost maybe some people on this forum need to relax and take it all with a grain of salt: I don't li
41 ANCFlyer : I thoroughly disagree here. If that were the case, I'd hate Gay Marriage, would believe without question there are WMD in Iraq, think PotUS has a Gre
42 TheCoz : Diamond, what about the Civil War?
43 Diamond : I understand that point completely - and I do value the idea of a 'transparent' government. But the fact is that politicians are NOT voting issue-by-
44 TriStarEnvy : Well said. I am more than willing to listen to any side of an argument. When I am making my decision about it, Just because I am a Republican, I don'
45 Diamond : Has any Democrat or Liberal member of a.net EVER persuaded you to change your position on anything?
46 TriStarEnvy : So far...."Change"...not really. "Enlighten"...certainly. That doesn't mean it couldn't happen... And just because I state I am a "Republican" it doe
47 LTBEWR : I am like most Americans, A moderate. Although I am a 'card carrying Democrat', I do not always agree with the extreme social liberal views, such as G
48 KyleLosAngeles : edit edit edit edit edit edit duplicate post[Edited 2005-06-09 23:26:35]
49 Iakobos : The dust created by the successive and unfortunate events of the last 4 years has not settled yet. There is little doubt that these have exacerbated t
50 Post contains links and images ShyFlyer : @NYCFlyer: Oh for God's sake, enough already, you're not even American. On the contrary, I am. Born and raised in the state of New Mexico. The flag si
51 Post contains images TedTAce : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/....html I sit corrected
52 PA110 : What has happened to the state of political discussion? Its very simple. A.nutters very much reflect the diversity of the world in which we live. We h
53 Post contains images Greyhound : Along with the rest of your article, it's nice to read a non extreme point of view I can agree with. Keep it up
54 NUair : I would think that the two of you are more the exception than the rule. I have seen so many topics on A-net about politics so quickly digress into fl
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