Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 22 Reply 10, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
OK. I was into writing something about homosexuality, since all the "gay posts" go finish into harsh language, insults and "war" in general. I wanted to post my opinion in Iluvmen2much's topic, but when I had a little time it had gone 150 threads so few people were going to read it. Then I decided to start a topic this kind but 747-600X "took off" before me. Doesn't matter. Anyway, thanks, 600x.
The first sentence I'd like to write on it goes to all the "gay haters".
Hey people: you have a big problem. Gays (OK: and lesbians. The topic tittle should be "homosexual") are normal people. Just they like things you maybe don't. That's all. Many immature people here just keep bashing anybody having different opinions. But in this subject there's something else: the hypocrite society call heteros "straight" and homos "inverted", "abnormal" and many other despective names. This thing about definitions comes from very long time ago, when brits (or then english, or saxonians, or whoever they were) called the dester side "right" (opposite from wrong) and the sinester (not sinister, OK?) "left" (opposite from taken).
If "homo" posts bother you, just do not loose your time reading them. That easy. Refrain yourselves from writing short silly sentences and go do something more productive like reading medical, psichological and self-helping books. Comes to my mind the possibility that many of you might be ashamed, self-repressed homos that do not want to accept your sexual orientation, and keep insisting on opposite sex partners, thus not being able to reach happiness, and projecting your anger against the ones who were brave enough to publicly proclaim their orientation.
Homosexuality is no longer considered a disease or a perversion. Some free countries (real socially free and not hypocrite, which is not the case of USA) even accept homosexual weddings, with EXACTLY ALL the SAME rights and debts for each other assumed by any "normal" hetero couple, even after one of them's death.
For those who call gays (actually the posts are mostly gay, maybe because lesbians have their relationship somehow easier: women usually embrace or kiss each other in public, dislike men) bad names, claiming that this is anti-natural, you should have a look to nature and see what kind of amusement some male animals have, walking on two legs, on four, or flying. So stop nonsense in the "anti-natural" way.
I remember Iluvmen2much's very first answer: Topic: Coming Out Problems...
Posted 2001-07-10 16:42:28 and read 933 times.
Why don't you save yourself all the aggravation and just go straight? You're young enough that you can learn new tricks.
What have you smoked pal? Do you think that this is something everyone decides to go for or not? I mean: you declare yourself, that you like (expensive) women. Are you aware of having ever decided to prefer women better that men? or this came to you inadvertedly? Have you ever thought that the qualificative "expensive" for women is, for many people, pretty worse (and especially offensive for women) than the one of "homosexual" is for you? If, personally, I were your girlfirend, would send you away right after I read your "user profile". By the way: reading your post I can understand why your list of "Respected by" is empty...
Another one was writing Username: Mls515
Posted 2001-07-10 17:55:37 and read 862 times.
How about going over to the aviation forum and talk about airliners?
Hey Mls515, easy! This may be an aviation site, and seven out of eight forums are related to aviation. But this one is non-aviation. Can you understand what it means, or it is too much for your hetero mind?
People: the explanation on why there are so many gay posts in here is easy: in hypocrite societies, gays and lesbians live huge problems, even causing them psychologic trouble, in accepting a fact that is very badly considered, starting by themselves. When they discover they do not get any fun from partners of the opposite sex, and that they find it in the ones of their own, they have first big problem WITH THEMSELVES.
Here, they can find some "trustable" people (meaning serious, helpful, understanding and so on), and they have the anonymous "protection" of the "distance", meaning that they can ease their pains, concernings, stresses, even shames, without the fear of being discovered by their (sometimes) too strict parents and relatives, for calling them in a "politically correct" way.
You are having a problem. Your ingenuity has driven you to make it bigger. Maybe because you're a teen, you did not realize that teens (and why not tell it, very specially male teens), are not the best trust keepers. You'd have done better talking to your female pals, in this case. But what's been done doesn't go back. And, no matter what your dad thinks, I'm afraid the best solution, although the hardest one, is now for you go tell him BEFORE he learns it from someone else. It's gonna be hard, but hey, they're your parents. Thay love you, and they feel happy if you feel happy. After the shock, they'll see your happiness. And that'll be theirs:
A friend of mine (22) told his parents (59 & 61). His dad did not want to know about him for two months. After that, he was "normally" accepted to the family meetings, provided his partner was not going. For two years. Finally, every member of the family set his/her mind and said their thoughts. After that, the "new" couple (more than two years had passed, so not that new) was accepted without any kind of reserves. They got married. Now they are ALL happy.
Finally, whoever is offended by any kind of subject, would do much better just NOT READING IT rather than loosing their time. And very specially, NOT WRITING THEIR OWN STUPIDITY.
Hey there, those of you who feel offended by something, but anyhow you necessarily go and read it, maybe the sick ones are you yourselves...
Twotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1073 times:
Hey turb.. he asked for advice and opinions. Dont' cry about it if opinions are asked for and then given. By the way, as righteous as you obviously think yourself to be, YOUR opinion is no more or no less valid than anyone else's in here.
Fightingfalcon From Switzerland, joined Feb 2001, 787 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1061 times:
As someone said above, this topic is already turning into a war again! Everybody posted his opinion about gays hundred times now, and there are different opinions. This topic will probably get 150 answers or so and then there will be the next one etc.
This endless discussion is getting senseless...
BTW, my opinion: Gays are totaly normal people! Let them live how they want!
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1036 times:
I'm sorry I disappointed you, pal. But, if you have read my post, I give him advice.
About my opinion, I don't consider it more or less valid than anyone's else. But when I write something I explain it, not just short silly sentences like some others do. That's the difference.
And I don't understand what's your idea of an opinion. But for sure sentences like "Why don't you save yourself all the aggravation and just go straight? You're young enough that you can learn new tricks." and How about going over to the aviation forum and talk about airliners? are not opinions.
First of all you'll have to excuse me. I'm not that used into the Chats, and English is not my mother tongue. What does LMAO mean?
Then, you take my words out of context. The question "what have you smoked?" is to say "what do you mean" or "what makes you think this way". You can see that I respect everybody, provided they are respectful to the others. And UA767-223 does not.
I practice what I preach, as you say, whenever I have the opportunity. And in this case, I did, too. The post was about gay people, and I respect them and give my opinion and advice if they ask for it, just as you. But -223 came insulting gay people in general jsut because he thinks they are "abnormal" or "sick"
A part from that, if all -223's posts are the same kind, it is for sure that he will never be respected by anybody (except if you do it now for your pride once you defended him, or attacked me): at least the post of him I refer myself to, is not respectable at all. Or are you telling me that you do not agree? Furthermore, I highly doubt of the matureness of an individual who says he likes "expensive" women. What are they? Cargo? Material goods? Trading stuff?
Your information about who I consider "gay-haters" is not accurate. Actually, my "definition" it is pretty self-explanatory. They show themselves by the manner they speak to them.
My opinion does not count. Is not better nor worse. Is just mine and I defend it. But respectfully. I respect everybody's opinion PROVIDED IT IS REASONED. I respect everybody if they are able to explain what and why they think about any subject. With this I do not mean to be pro- or against- homos, neither to be against people who do not like homosexuality. But I am (and have the full right to be) against whoever hates whatever (both homos and heteros, for example) if they insult, disrespect, yell nonsense and bash. If you are in favor or against whatever, explain why, and I'll agree or disagree. But I will always respect you.
Finally, my post was also against people who feel offended by some topics, but keep on reading them, and then complain about the offence.
Do I really need to explain it again? Go some threads back and read carefully... That's all.
SSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1029 times:
I am basing my comments on the quantity of gay threads, not quality. I'm going with what Joona said. BTW, check out one of the other topics I started and that will answer your question. Anyway, homosexual, heterosexual, and straight people: they're all people! Can't anyone figure that out? Peace.
747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2777 posts, RR: 16 Reply 19, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1023 times:
Stop fighting - plain and simple. This thread was supposed to be a non-topic thing, just sort of "gay people are friendly as far as I can tell". Anyway, about abnormality:
Yes, being gay is abnormal. Nature certainly doesn't have much of a use for homosexuality given that it doesn't produce anything. That I know of it is a human phenomena. The point of the matter is that there's nothing wrong with being abnormal. I've been called weird, strange, and some other words not to be listed in my day and it's a lot easier to say, "Yeah I'm weird - at least I'm unique" than to get all hurt about it. So... who cares if it's abnormal? ACCORD says "Packing fudge ain't normal."
Tell me, ACCORD, does that scare you?
"Mental health is reality at all cost." -- M. Scott Peck, 'The Road Less Traveled'
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1011 times:
I haven't heard that in a while!!
"Gays are a nuisance, they get you feeling sorry for them and then expect you to laugh when your girlfriend gets her tits out for them."
Bwahahahahah... I don't think I have ever done that. Must try it some time. Cripes!
If you are going to critisize the quality of the homo threads then please take a long look at any of the other threads that are controversial or tackle political topics. You find the same mud slinging, wars and general strive with people who have differing opinions.
One of the things about homosexuality is that we are still descriminated against. How would you feel if you knew there was large groups of the populations who do not believe you deserve to live let alone have a life like everyone else.
Unlike people of different races, we are not always that apparent. People who make insulting comments about homosexuals are often heard by the very people they are vilifying - the problem is the people doing do not even realise they are hurting someone. These are the same people who would probably say 'nigger' (or such) to friends but would not dare do it to someones face.
As I said - take a look at some of the other threads.
Delboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 722 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 982 times:
Joona and America West summed it up perfectly in the first three posts.
I don't give a toss whether someone is gay or not, as long as they don't try and ram their views down my throat. Live and let live that's me but I too am sick to death of seeing 'Gay' threads here. I like gravy on my chips (french fries) but have I started a thread about it?
It has developed into the flaming, arguing and fighting described by America West.
If you are gay and happy about it don't feel you have to share it with the world. If you want to do that, I am sure there are 'specialist' websites you can frequent.