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One Inventor Of "Freedom Fries" Changed His Mind  
User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina helped lead an effort to make sure Capitol Hill cafeterias retooled their menus to advertise "freedom fries" instead of french fries to protest France's opposition to the war.

He made a first step and changed his mind.
"We've done about as much as we can do" in the country and that the reason for invading Iraq has proven false."

"When I look at the number of men and women who have been killed _ it's almost 1,700 now, in addition to close to 12,000 have been severely wounded _ and I just feel that the reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it was never there," Jones said on ABC's "This Week."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS.../13/congressman.iraq.ap/index.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn.../06/12/AR2005061201109.html?sub=AR

I hope that, one day, he and his fellows will apologize for their offenses to "Old Europe" and the remaining 98 percent of the world, who opposed the American adventure in Iraq.

Well, I don`t believe that Rumsfeld will apologize, because he would have to take the blame.

Axel

[Edited 2005-06-14 12:07:32]


Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Great article.
I am sure too many of his constituents have been affected by this war and loyalty to your President can only go so far.



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Jesus, well I guess we should keep this kind of thing to ourselves shouldn't we? I mean, it's not very AMERICAN to critisize your own government, or to have your own government critisized, is it? This guy should probably have realized his mistake and kept quiet about it, for the sake of America! After all, it's his god given right to not to point out his own and his countries mistakes in the past. But the damn fool did it anyway, and our good friend oldeuropean just had to quote from the news article. Why can't people not post this sort of stuff? Can't we just have threads about the good things that the US has done?

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Interesting cartoon in todays paper.





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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 2):
Oh goodie.. the Bush Bashers are at it again. Don't you ever want to do something else, like maybe have a life?

Chris

Sorry son. The first mention of Bush in this thread is by YOU.


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

LMAO, Failure fries! Classy..

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

"Failure Fries"....only because they couldn't print "Fuck-up Fries".


Ozark Flies Your Way
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting EGGD (Reply 3):
Why can't people not post this sort of stuff? Can't we just have threads about the good things that the US has done?

I completely agree!




President Bush and Donald Rumsfeld doing their utmost to rid the World of Evil Dictators!

/sarcasm



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Oh wow!
One man changed his mind (two if you count John Kerry). Who gives a shit?


User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

OldEuropean, maybe you should refocus your efforts on the weak and ineffective leadership of Europe. The world would be a much better place if you did.


Everyday you're alive is a good day.
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 9):
One man changed his mind (two if you count John Kerry). Who gives a shit?

I hate to admit it, but you guys are almost as funny as EGGD's little parody on you!  Silly



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineBRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 11):

I hate to admit it, but you guys are almost as funny as EGGD's little parody on you!

Happy to hear that I could entertain you!


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7413 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
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Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 9):
One man changed his mind (two if you count John Kerry). Who gives a shit?

"I actually did vote for the 87 Billion dollars, before I voted against it" Quoting JFK (John F. Kerry)



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

What does John Kerry have to do with this?  Confused


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
What does John Kerry have to do with this?

Another neoclown playing their favourite card



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 15):
Another neoclown playing their favourite card

LOL!  Silly
Funny!



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Isn't it funny how the same people that bash the democrats, and Kerry, and all who oppose the war, are the same ones that can't stand to hear it when more and more politicians stop supporting Bush, and his cronies for they're many screw ups??

Bush's approval ratings have hit record lows, and the same people who screamed how wrong it was for France to oppose us, are now realizing they might just have been wrong to put all they're eggs in one basket with the President....And now the Bush Backers can't stand to hear about it. Don't like being on the losing side of things???


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting BRAVO7E7 (Reply 9):
Who gives a shit?

I do!

Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 10):
OldEuropean, maybe you should refocus your efforts on the weak and ineffective leadership of Europe. The world would be a much better place if you did.

Tell you what, why don't we just all bash the French (and ignore they were right in the end) like we all did on the good ol' days?

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 17):
Bush's approval ratings have hit record lows, and the same people who screamed how wrong it was for France to oppose us, are now realizing they might just have been wrong to put all they're eggs in one basket with the President.

Not only that, they're also telling others what they can or can't start threads about! Hows that for Free Speech!?



Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 10):
OldEuropean, maybe you should refocus your efforts on the weak and ineffective leadership of Europe. The world would be a much better place if you did.

Dude, did you read my post? What has it to do with any European leadership? We don`t need and nobody (except some power-hungry politicians) wants any leadership! Do you really think, that one nation has the right to rule the world? The world will shit on such a country.

Axel

[Edited 2005-06-14 20:26:07]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

S12PPL:
Well said.
Also many of the Bush supporters here don't even know that Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina is a fellow Republican.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Superfly:
Thanks...I just think it's odd that all of a sudden when the Bush Backers see they're golden boy slipping...or rather falling, they like to lash out at all that point it out. None of them want to accept that people are starting to realize there is no end in sight to this war in Iraq. All of a sudden going in guns 'a 'blazin isn't such a good idea

Now the one that help spawn "Freedom Fries" is realizing he may have jumped a little too quickly to conclusions, and he's admitting it. And all of a sudden he gets blasted by the same people that sang his praise. Funny, isn't it?


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

I think the biggest irony is the ones who vocally embraced the idea of 'freedom' fries are now the ones shouting the loudest.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting EGGD (Reply 22):
I think the biggest irony is the ones who vocally embraced the idea of 'freedom' fries are now the ones shouting the loudest.

They're always the loudmouths, it's a pity they're probably not going to change. Sad how "standing up for one's beliefs" so often turns into "being too blind to see how things change".

[Edited 2005-06-14 21:16:31]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

What is funny is all the critisism and name calling to this guy for his freedom fries remark. Now he is some vaulted messiah.

Yeah we know the types. Honestly who cares what this guy says. Nothing is going to change. And good too!



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 24):
Now he is some vaulted messiah.

ROFL! All we "pinko-commie Eurolibs" did was commanding him for admitting he was wrong (and also "carried away"). Yet, in your well-known "all or nothing" world, we're worshipping him like a Messiah!?  rotfl 

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 24):
Honestly who cares what this guy says. Nothing is going to change.

You righties sure did care about the "nice blow" delivered to those "terrorist-hugging cowardly French" when "Freedom Fries" were put on the menu instead of French Fries.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
25 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Your words not mine. But if you want to charecterize yourself as such be my guest. Not my words. But if people want to use the description let them.
26 Post contains images Aloges : Note the quotation marks... I've been called a commie and a Eurolib more than once, every time by some American who felt a desperate need to show his
27 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : American grown up? No, just an adult. One day you will come to the realization that "Aloges' perfect youthful view of the world" does not, nor will e
28 Aloges : You mean, by age? It does however "exist", and that's not about to change. What do you know about my "youthful" view of the world anyway to make such
29 Schoenorama : These 'types' are your politicians, Clipper. These are the guys (and gals) you elected!
30 N1120A : Well, while your lack of respect for Aloges is obvious, how about I say, as an adult, that I completely agree with him and based on his posts in thes
31 EGGD : But your French, your opinions don't matter to real red blooded Americans. That is except if your opinion in some way tarnishes their utopian view of
32 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Sorry, he is not my politician, I never voted for him nor do I live in his district. Guess we are similar there huh? LOL As for the German young man,
33 B744F : People need to brush up on their American history. How can you bash a country that was THE reason we won the war against England? How quickly memory f
34 Superfly : Agreed but keep in mind, these are Bush supporters. They tend to be very dumb people.
35 Daedaeg : There is nothing wrong with criticizing government. But what goes on in these threads is usually whining and rambling. Something that the lefty loose
36 B744F : No, whinning and rambling are the responses to good questions thrown at the blind right and also how GWB responds to any tough question thrown at him
37 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Nail? Hammer? I'd say that quote slammed that nail so hard they heared it in la la land. Good one!
38 B744F : Far from it
39 S12PPL : What a biased, rash statement. What you just said is about as hypicritcal as it comes.
40 Aloges : Oh well... I guess you know all about the amount of worldly experience one can have at age 20. Such as seeing loved ones die a slow and painful death
41 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : I know....I know you don't. Perhaps one day you will. And thus making my point. Thanks!
42 Superfly : Are you serious? Rep. Walter Jones of North Carolina is a Republican ! The first "whining" in this thread came from a Bush backer. Explain that.
43 Aloges : If only you knew how well all those posts of yours are proving my other point.
44 Oldeuropean : Forget it, they don`t understand it. They are so fanatical, they don`t want to understand it. I have 36 to 45 years of experience, but in your case I
45 Post contains images Superfly : Bushloving conservatives always prove there ignorance. Clipperhawaii backed up your post and Daedaeg backed up mines.
46 Post contains images Aloges : As do most "I'll vote xxx party no matter what" people... I have to admit, sometimes I do ponder about voting for the righties this autumn, since the
47 ClipperHawaii : I will let this perfect quote speak for itself on gaining "experience". Congratulations Aloges, you are transforming right between our eyes in this v
48 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Well, I don`t think so (these are more "Similar Fries"), but this is another story. Axel[Edited 2005-06-14 23:44:44]
49 Post contains images Klaus : I think you´ve embarrassed yourself enough, Clipper. No need to exacerbate the situation any further...
50 Aloges : God, how full of yourself can you be? It's not called "gaining experience", it's called "weighing options". Did it take you 36 years to figure that o
51 Post contains images Oldeuropean : CDU - SPD = "Similar Fries" (Instead of french fries). Axel
52 Post contains links and images Aloges : Oh, I see... In a way, I take your point. I did love Schröder's pro-stem cell research speach, though... nothing like our politicians smacking each
53 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Yep. Axel
54 Post contains images FlyAUA : Erm, without using names (it is obvious who), it is nauseating to see how certain a.netters on here think they are smarter and that their remarks are
55 Post contains images Klaus : Bush could "recommend" to the german population to elect the conservative candidate like he did last time (this time it´s Angela Merkel)... Gerhard S
56 Post contains images Schoenorama : Now my German isn't what it used to be, but I'd swear there's a couple of errors in that text
57 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Actually you can name me. ..."smarter and that their remarks are more valid just because they are 15 years older!" You can add wiser to the list too!
58 Post contains images Aloges : Shhhh! *checking whether Superfly is looking the other way* That did not make any sense at all! No offence, 'fly!
59 Post contains images FlyAUA : Well sorry to wake you up from your fairytale but there are some 20 year olds out there who have been through a lot more in life and know a lot more
60 Prebennorholm : French or Freedom fries? Why not just celebrate that one of the world's worst dictators has been jailed? Just imagine if the world had had that guts i
61 Schoenorama : And this from a 36-45 old man who included Aloges' sincere statement above on his profile-page just because he thinks its funny! Not only does it sho
62 B744F : Not judging by your comments. Besides, the older you get, the more you listen to your prejudice rather than common sense.
63 B744F : Count down another US supported one at that Actually the world did, it was the US who wanted nothing of it, and its businesses who profited off of Hi
64 Schoenorama : Yes, Preben again with another of his "Saddam is gone, long live Bush" replies! We all know Saddam is gone, Preben, and I don't think there are too m
65 Superfly : Very true and many Bush supporters have no idea that Dubya's Grandpa Senator Prescott Bush was part of a company that did business with the Nazis.
66 FlyAUA : OK, they saved the world and it is now a better place free of hatred, terrorism, prejudice. Furthermore, there is world peace and nations have been f
67 Aloges : Well, I do think Prebennorholm has some valid points: That's undoubtedly a good thing, and I agree with the notion we (that includes the US) should ge
68 Prebennorholm : It is unfortunately not that simple. We know that the same dictator had WMD's. We know he used them against Iran and the Kurds. We could not know if
69 Aloges : Pardon my choice of words, but you're making it sound like a f*cking boxing match. THAT is wrong.
70 Post contains images Daedaeg : Wow, a European with some sense.
71 Post contains links Schoenorama : Yes, 'we' did know perfectly well what he had in 2003 and what his production capabibilty was. Hans Blix knew. ElBaradei knew. And a load of others k
72 MD-90 : I changed my mind, too.
73 Cairo : Instead of constantly attacking each other over this issue, I invite you to consider this. There are two kinds of people in regards to the war in Iraq
74 Oldeuropean : So, ask yourself, why did your governement (and they allready knew that there were no WMD or any links to terrorists) go into Iraq? And please don`t
75 Post contains links Cairo : Well, I don't believe that George Bush and Collin Powel and the rest lied to everyone in the sense that they knew what they were saying was not true
76 Post contains links Oldeuropean : Look e.g. at that: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/me...t/06/12/postwar.iraq.ap/index.html Yes, indeed it is very good for the Iraqi people that th
77 787 : Then based on this statement one would say that the U.S. is successful in their endeavor? The U.S. and it's forces are in how many countries now as c
78 ANCFlyer : Oh, you're gonna get flamed forever for this statement. Cairo, some of us have been posting "good things about Iraq" for months. And just as quickly,
79 MD-90 : Based upon the Downing Street memo series (up to at least six now), it very much looks like Bush lied the nation into war. I think he ought to be impe
80 ANCFlyer : What the hell do you care - you didn't even vote . . . YOU have not Dog in the Hunt here . . .
81 Dan-Air : That's the crux of the matter right there. This war was sold to the American public based on filtered intelligence (i.e. anything pointing to the fac
82 Post contains links Cairo : OK, so you agree with the Iraqis themselves that toppling Saddam was a good thing. This, you rightfully admit, is one good thing that came from the w
83 MD-90 : Since the first Gulf War, American foreign policy has killed 600,000 Iraqis. I don't really think there's much we can say about "winning" in Iraq.
84 Cairo : If 600,000 is the figure, or less or more, it is horrible. However, opinion polls in Iraq say they support the topple of Saddam, bloodshed and all. It
85 Post contains images Oldeuropean : In all these countries, the large majority (up to 80 percent) of the population were against this war. I assume that the pressure of the American gov
86 JGPH1A : AKA the Coalition of the Duped. And not Spain, any more. They very sensibly changed their minds.
87 Post contains images Oldeuropean : BTW. we call it "Pommes frites" in Germany (the same word as in french) or sometimes "Fritten" or "Pommes". It is said that the french fries have the
88 FDXMECH : You always knew, my a$$. Though I'm curious. What would've happened if substantial WMD was found? Would you have a different opinion? I doubt it. All
89 JGPH1A : And all this post-facto concern for the Iraqi people neglects the fact that their plight has been going on for over 20 years, during most of which ti
90 FDXMECH : You're right in the respect that the US (actually the west) used Iraq as a the geopolitical counterbalance to Iran during the 1980's. Geopolitical si
91 Post contains images JGPH1A : I won't argue that political and diplomatic necessity can breed some ugly compromises, but then you must agree that this invasion of Iraq was just an
92 FDXMECH : I think you've got it backwards OE. Olde Colonialistic Europe didn't want to lend a hand because of its vested economic interest in keeping Saddam in
93 Post contains images Oldeuropean : No, we have a life and aren`t thinking the whole day about you. The "Freedom Fries" were one of the jokes that came from the US at that time. Last we
94 787 : I have also wondered what the fuss was here over the fredom fries statement. It was silly yes, but how upset people got across Europe when they heard
95 WhiteHatter : What the f*** have you been smoking? The average American is completely clueless about the rest of the world! That is the most ridiculous statement I
96 ANCFlyer : I was agreeing with you right til this part . . . While this is true, keep in mind that going from Texas to Oklahoma (for what I haven't a clue) does
97 Klaus : Area and distance is almost completely irrelevant in that respect. Europe has a significantly larger population and a large number of much more diffe
98 ANCFlyer : Agree but irrelevent . . . The fact that the Europeans have always "had to have a passport" until the Shengen was in place ingrained in them a need f
99 Post contains images 787 : Let me say this again. I look at what is reported and what is read in "American" news media. (All types) Often very international in scope in terms o
100 Klaus : A passport is merely an indication - a symptom, if you will - of a greater interest in the outside world. And recent years have again demonstrated the
101 Post contains images 787 : Yes! Passports are used to control people! Makes one wonder about the need to controlling those people of "interest".   I never heard that descripti
102 FDXMECH : Yes. And the outside world to Europeans was equivalent to an American traveling to a different state. Your premise is faulty.
103 Post contains images Klaus : 787, it seems you can´t exactly follow the discussion...
104 Post contains images Klaus : Not even close! You already have larger regional differences within the regions of many of our nation states than you do within the USA; And that´s
105 FDXMECH : You basically had to cross oceans to need a passport as an American. Not only that but to utilize a passport means an actual vacation abroad (not busi
106 Klaus : Originally to a different nation, now basically to a different continent; In every case to a very different culture, in most cases with a different l
107 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Have you ever been in the USA? Axel
108 WhiteHatter : and then Klaus replied... Exactly. it's a symptom of the inward looking which Americans do. They as a nation need to be better educated and more awar
109 Post contains images Oldeuropean : You can find e.g. us Germans outside of Europe also on the beaches of Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Mexico, Dominican Republic, Cuba (Yes, we can go
110 Daedaeg : OldEuropean, after all that traveling, you're still just as ignorant, ill-informed, and misguided as those of us from America.
111 NoUFO : We may love to travel but the same goes for US-Americans. Without any question they are wealthy enough; you find them virtually everywhere, and if the
112 Cairo : During the 2002/03 academic year, the increase in the number of American college students receiving credit for study abroad programs almost doubled, f
113 NoUFO : Cairo, I don't feel like "talking for Europe", and I'm not Klaus, but German weekly Die Zeit recently published an article by Minister Fischer (Foreig
114 787 : How many countries are there within say a 3000 or 4000 mile radius of the center of the U.S? Take that same radius and apply it to the center of Euro
115 Cairo : OK, I can see that would be one reason for 3rd parties (e.g., France and Germany) to be concerned, even if the logic is debateable. I don't really be
116 MD-90 : You don't need a passport to travel to Mexico or Canada, which many Americans choose to do. I've done missionary work in Mexico, and all it required
117 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Interesting - apparently they aren't giving it to any of MY relatives in Southern Alabama. Hell, I've got a couple of "kin folk" that have never left
118 Flybyguy : Unfortunately, the Democrats will never win another presidential election for the foreseeable future, namely because the Democratic boat is sinking w
119 FDXMECH : You're pretty much ignoring that outwards looking Europeans need not go far to see what's happening outside their borders. Like two 7 !/2 foot basket
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