AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52 Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
Is it just me noticing this, or have others seen women in positions of power act like the complete bitches that they may well not be?
I'm a newbie at working, so I may not have too accurate a perspective on this, but in each company that I have worked for, there have always been women that take every opportunity to go on a power trip. In my last job, she was my boss! What experiences do you all have with women in positions of authority?
I can't speak for Labanon, but in the US, the women are comming on stong and you better not forget it...
I dunno what propmted you to make the observation you did, but keep this in mind. If you ask for a day you need off for something important to you and your male boss says no he's just a boss right? Or is he a di¢k? I can't drop the b word from work, but I question your motive for your word choice.
Women sometimes come of as terse when they make decisions that are percieved by the male subordinates as not favoring them. It's all psychological, put yourself in her shoes and HONESTLY think about that you are saying.
Keep that attitude, and you will not be working long.
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2450 times:
Well I'm not working in Lebanon, I'm working in Los Angeles...and the rejection for a day off is not the sort of thing that I am referring to. What I'm talking about being very personable outside of work but then having the biggest attitude on the job...I've noticed it a couple of times and am wondering if others have noticed it as well.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4349 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
I've worked with lots of women over the years, and I actually prefer them as bosses. I can't think of a single woman boss I've had that you could apply the b word to. Some of them were tough as nails, and really made me put my all into my work, but I never felt like it was a personal thing or a power trip, they just wanted the best possible out of their employees. On the other hand, I've worked for men that it was apparent it was more about them proving they were the Alpha male vs. pushing their people to excel. The difficult people I've worked with have all been co-workers or those reporting to me that let their personal lives interfere with their jobs (oh I'm just a wreck today, my BF/GF just left me, etc.), and that applies pretty evenly across the sexes.
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 2): What I'm talking about being very personable outside of work but then having the biggest attitude on the job...I've noticed it a couple of times and am wondering if others have noticed it as well.
Welcome to the duality of 'man'. In all likelyhood she has some preconceived notion that she has to be 'straight laced' when she's at work. But knows how to let loose 'off the clock'. Most people (men included) are like that. If you were to ask people at my work what they thought of me, most would say I am pretty responsible, intelligent, and very professional with my customers. One look at my posts here shows quite the oposite.
Ultimately, you are being pretty vague, so what kind of answers are you looking for? Why not say specifically, she did this, this, and this; while we were off the clock and this, this, and this; the next day at work and I don't understand it. Maybe then we can give you a good answer.
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
Alright, well basically I was just trying to get some impressions going of politics in the workplace particularly as they apply to women in positions of power but I guess I didn't really do a very good job of presenting it as such.
Anyway, here are my examples:
1. My boss making fun of us engineers and saying that we belong in IT and that she was working to get us moved over there and that our programming skills would come out best in a dark dingy cubicle without any windows.
2. Same lady mocking my lead for trying to give one of my colleagues a raise in front of a lot of people.
3. Using her secretary as a buffer zone between her and us whenever she'd ask us to come to her office.
Now for another person
1. Referring to the pecking order whenever we'd have a discussion
2. Calling her intern slave (jokingly, I suppose) all the time (and coffee boy on the rare occasion)
3. Several other attitude related incidents.
Now I don't mean to generalise by any means...but in my very limited experiences, these two women stuck out as by far the most difficult to people I have had the displeasure of working with.
My current boss however (a woman) is someone that I am learning more and more from every single day. I call her the army of one, because she gets so much done in spite of the fact that they give her very limited resources.
My experience with the first lady that I mentioned really got me thinking that non-engineers should not manage engineers - neither male nor female.
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2410 times:
I respect some women who rise to the top. Sometimes though, these ambitious women, get very ruthless and career obsessed and seem to forget the important things like family life and love. I think thats very sad.
Having said that, I have much more respect for the women who buck todays trend and actually stay at home and raise their own children. I respect those women much more.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2394 times:
I've worked with numerous men and women over the years. As far as women in positions of authority, some of them were hard working honest people whom I respected a lot. And some were pompous, arrogant bitches who either had an axe to grind, or were sleeping their way up. Or both.
Is that not the same as what we see in men?
In all walks of life you find honest workers. And then there are some who wear their title on their genitalia.
This is the reason I shall return to school in the next year or so to persue my AA, then a BS, then an MBA, and maybe some kind of doctorate/PhD in economics or something like that.
While I have it good in that most of the people making the decisions that directly affect me are not cookie cutter MBA's that have never seen the inside of a PC, much less written a line of code in their life. The fact is I 'hear' about these scenarios all the time, and I refuse to allow myself to fall into the trap of being a 'smart' guy with no paper to back it up anymore. I want to, and with some hard work and preserverance, I will, become a boss.
Gman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
A supposedly educated fellow like yourself should read the title of topic before responding. This topic is about women in power and Queen Elizabeth II has very little, the UK and Australia both have democratically elected governments of which she has little or no power over.
And yes I am going to go to war with you everytime you insult my country.