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F1, Don't Come Back  
User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2699 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

F1 made complete fools of themselves at Indy. Here is a group of snotty assholes that refuse to compromise in any way, shape, or form to give the few U.S. fans the race they spent lots of money to see. F1 is driven by politics and safety is not a consideration. Now we have several disputes within disputes. We have F1 blaming Michelin and vise versa. We also have Ferrari blaming the other teams and vise versa. Who loses? The U.S. racing fans who are no longer fans of F1.

I hope all who attended the U.S grand prix get a refund and that F1 has to pay the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for the refunds. I hope Tony George tells F1 to go f*ck themselves, tear out the infield road course, and tear down the F1 garages. Let's return Indy to a mecca for oval track racing.

In the U.S. we have NASCAR. We have the IRL, which is gaining in popularity. We also have NHRA. We don't need F1.

Good riddance F1. Pack your crap and get the hell out of the U.S. And don't come back. I hope the door hits you in the ass on the way out.

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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Give me a refund and I'll be happier

User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Have you watched NASCAR lately?

IRL is just NASCAR with less dilluted talent and open wheels


We need F1... It is nice to see people turn right as well as left.


Drag racing puts me to sleep faster than NASCAR.


User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Crash in the first turn, Schumacher leads, by 20 seconds, Schumacher pits, Schumacher leads by 30 seconds after the pit because everyone else was thinking backwards. Oh there is something in Shumachers mirror, is it a William or McClaren, no it's just a fly along for the ride. Schumacher wins. Yawnfest. The only difference this week, is there wasn't a crash in the first turn. No great loss in the US.

User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 2):

IRL is just NASCAR with less dilluted talent and open wheels

I agree totally. Seeing them go round and round just puts me to sleep! Oh, and remember Tony George stated very firmly that the IRL was to be a purely oval series? Well, they now have a street course. I don't care how fast I'm going. If I'm going to be spending 10 years racing in circles, I'd have to quit because I'd be bored to death. Why do you think I've seen only three NASCAR races in the last four years?


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting Bohica (Thread starter):
In the U.S. we have NASCAR. We have the IRL, which is gaining in popularity. We also have NHRA. We don't need F1.

You forgot Champ Car World Series racing (CART).



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineSwisskloten From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Dragon-wings,

Champ Car is a sad shadow of its former self. Since Tony "Hitler" George hates them so bitterly (and I'd ask him why when he has his own series), he'll bend over to destroy it at any cost. A reason it's called Champ Car is Tony managed to take them to court and pass an injunction that prevents them from using the word Indy. Talk about greed. I bet when he takes a piss, oil comes out! I don't hate the IRL but I don't watch them either. It's too boring watching cars going around in circles all day. The day he had a race on the streets was just a cheap attempt to bash the IndyCar World Series. Hey George! I used the word "Indy." So sue me! Ha ha ha!!


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

CART is gonna die soon... No money... No Tv time.. No Chance to make money

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 6):
Champ Car is a sad shadow of its former self.


Agreed! Bring back the days of Bobby Rahal, Al Unser Jr, Michael Andretti, Paul Trcay, and Mark Blundell.

Quoting Swisskloten (Reply 6):
I don't hate the IRL but I don't watch them either. It's too boring watching cars going around in circles all day.

I don't watch it either for that very reason.



Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

I believe CART is already pretty much dead. Didn't they file for bankruptcy? I really wish this CART/IRL political bullshit would end and the series merge back together to compete with NASCAR. But no, too many narrow minded assholes who only think of themselves controlling the situation right now. So sad.

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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Michelin, don't come back.


"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

The difference between the aforementioned "motorsports" and F1 is that no one gives a s..t abiut NASCAR, IRL or CART outside of North America.

The US is a market F1 can afford to lose, it shall (...) be replaced by India or something else.

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 11):
The US is a market F1 can afford to lose, it shall (...) be replaced by India or something else.

All nice, but the numbers still suck.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5923-1662503,00.html


User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

I wonder if its time for the USA to experience the WRC, or at least let them see what its all about, much more entertaining and exciting than F1 will ever be.

User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 13):
I wonder if its time for the USA to experience the WRC, or at least let them see what its all about, much more entertaining and exciting than F1 will ever be.

Hmmm...imagine WRC cars running on ovals  Silly

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineTrav110 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 13):
I wonder if its time for the USA to experience the WRC, or at least let them see what its all about, much more entertaining and exciting than F1 will ever be.

I agree 110%, racing in circles for 500 miles bores me to tears, but WRC kicks ass  thumbsup 


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 14):
Hmmm...imagine WRC cars running on ovals Silly

Got 20Euros to bet that if the WRC came to the USA there would be barricades along the race course to prevent the spectators from accidentally getting hit by cars...of course after the fact that any driver from the US would get their @$$ handed to them faster than they could say Peugeot.


User currently offlineZKEYE From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Gents,

Don't blame F1 - blame Michelin. Should the rules be changed for one race just because they were incapable of providing a tire that could do the job? What would happen next time Bridgestone screwed up and caused the Ferraris to be slow?

I sure as hell don't blame all of you in the states for being highly pissed off (even more so if you actually paid good cash to be there) but don't blame F1 or the FIA - blame Michelin - it was there fault. They say they had no choice but to withdraw - bollocks - have a look at

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...FIA_Sport/2005/June/190605-02.html

and

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...FIA_Sport/2005/June/190605-03.html

and

http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...FIA_Sport/2005/June/200605-01.html

You can't blame the FIA.



Bring out the gimp
User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 17):
Should the rules be changed for one race just because they were incapable of providing a tire that could do the job?

Yes - allow them to replace the tires... its a non-issue and when the FIA removes their head from their ass they will realise this.



It's a beautiful night to fly like a phoenix...
User currently offlineZKEYE From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 18):
Yes - allow them to replace the tires... its a non-issue and when the FIA removes their head from their ass they will realise this.

Righto - then when Ferrari want to have the same apply for them when they get to the next race and their tires are shite - should they be allowed to ask that the rules are changed to help them? (By the way I am not a Ferrari fan)

What about if the Williams has suspension problems at the next race? Should they have the race slowed to help them overcome their shortcomings?

What about Toyota if they are down on horsepower - should the rest of the teams have power limitations imposed?

Its all the same. I feel sorry for those at Indy - honestly I do - and I would be blowing chunks if I was them but don't loose perspective. Blame those who are responsible. All this talk that the track should have been changed "to make it a spectacle" is just bullshit. This is a sport - you can't change the rules on a "game by game" basis just to make it good to watch. That makes it entertainment but it does not make it sport.



Bring out the gimp
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Michelin should have accepted to run with a maximum speed limit on the cars. The Fia proposed that but Michelin said: "if a maximum speed limit will be applied to our cars, then it be for the other cars as well." Now that is a dumb thing to say.

On the other hand, if I had watched the race, I still would have asked for a refund. This is a direct result of FIA's overcomplicating everything, and asking the drivers to run all the race on the same set of tyres.

BOTH are guilty. Enough said.


Kay


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
Righto - then when Ferrari want to have the same apply for them when they get to the next race and their tires are shite - should they be allowed to ask that the rules are changed to help them? (By the way I am not a Ferrari fan)

If Bridgestone tires are in a similar position to those of Michelin, sure let them change.

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
What about if the Williams has suspension problems at the next race? Should they have the race slowed to help them overcome their shortcomings?

I wasn't aware Williams made the suspension for a majority of F1 teams.

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
What about Toyota if they are down on horsepower - should the rest of the teams have power limitations imposed?

I wasn't aware Toyota control the horsepower on a majority of F1 teams.

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
Its all the same.

Its not the same - Michelin have a majority of F1 teams with their tyres and could have had them changed with no impact on the race. The FIA did not allow them to do so and as a result it was the greatest ever joke in F1 history. How anyone can try and defend the rules of F1 after that display of utter disgrace is beyond me.

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
Blame those who are responsible.

Michelin had a solution - the FIA decided against the just outcome.

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
This is a sport - you can't change the rules on a "game by game" basis just to make it good to watch.

They do it on a yearly basis with F1 so don't base you're argument on that.



It's a beautiful night to fly like a phoenix...
User currently offlineZKEYE From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 21):

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
What about if the Williams has suspension problems at the next race? Should they have the race slowed to help them overcome their shortcomings?

I wasn't aware Williams made the suspension for a majority of F1 teams.

Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
What about Toyota if they are down on horsepower - should the rest of the teams have power limitations imposed?

I wasn't aware Toyota control the horsepower on a majority of F1 teams.

Fair comment - though it misses the point I was trying to make (Not all that well I admit)

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 21):
Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
Its all the same.

Its not the same - Michelin have a majority of F1 teams with their tires and could have had them changed with no impact on the race. The FIA did not allow them to do so and as a result it was the greatest ever joke in F1 history. How anyone can try and defend the rules of F1 after that display of utter disgrace is beyond me.

It is - The impact on the race would have been huge. Was it a disgrace - yes. But you cannot expect the FIA to make allowances for teams who have been let down by their suppliers. That would be penalising the suppliers who had done their job. Frankly I doubt that even Michelin thought their proposals would be accepted. Most likely just to muddy the waters and disperse the blame for the fiasco that they knew would develop.

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 21):

Michelin had a solution - the FIA decided against the just outcome.

Michelins "solution" was never going to be accepted. The rules are the rules. What is the point of a competition if its not on a level playing field. If it had been Bridgestone with 6 runners would the FIA have made an exception - no. Just because it destroyed the race and most likely F1 in the USA does not make it the wrong decision. I would have thought FIA and F1 more of a joke if they changed the rules for Michelins cock up.

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 21):
Quoting ZKEYE (Reply 19):
This is a sport - you can't change the rules on a "game by game" basis just to make it good to watch.

They do it on a yearly basis with F1 so don't base you're argument on that.

Quite right. Yearly. Not on a race by race or hour by hour basis.

All the teams know the rules and can plan for them. All the
Bridgestone runners would have had to make changes that they had no time to plan for because Michelin cocked up. Is that fair?

By the way I am not a big FIA defender - it just seems unfair to me that they are being blamed when the problem is 100% Michelins fault. You can't argue with that surely.



Bring out the gimp
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5998 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 20):
Michelin should have accepted to run with a maximum speed limit on the cars. The Fia proposed that but Michelin said: "if a maximum speed limit will be applied to our cars, then it be for the other cars as well." Now that is a dumb thing to say.

Uh, I read that Michelin said that cars that wanted to race could do so, but would have to limit their speed in the troublesome corner to 200 kph (or something like that). They did everything they were able to, but in the end it was the FIA's decision not to allow a tyre-change or a chicane, that led to the 14 cards to withdraw.


User currently offlineVH-KCT* From Australia, joined May 2001, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting N317AS (Reply 3):
Crash in the first turn, Schumacher leads, by 20 seconds, Schumacher pits, Schumacher leads by 30 seconds after the pit because everyone else was thinking backwards. Oh there is something in Shumachers mirror, is it a William or McClaren, no it's just a fly along for the ride. Schumacher wins. Yawnfest.

I don't know what you've been watching this year, mate. 'Cos this was Schumy's first win of the season and only his 3rd podium.


ZKEYE, I understand where you're coming from, but I believe that the FIA has to take more than a role as an administrator of the rules. It's not as if accommodations have never been made, just look to the typhoon in Japan last year as a case in point.

Nobody would suggest that the cars took to qualifying in the middle of a typhoon because:

A safety would be compromised, and
B the spectacle would be reduced

So the FIA postponed qualifying until Sunday, does the US debacle not fit the same mould?

[Edited 2005-06-21 12:47:26]


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25 'Longreach' : Formula One is a business which is viable BECAUSE of the fans. Destroying F1 in the USA a minor thing? I think not ZKEYE... I think not.
26 ZKEYE : No it doesn't. Only because what you describe affects all teams - not just some as this shambles did. I am not defending the FIA - I am blaming Miche
27 Monteycarlos : No not really - Michelin is not an F1 team, whereas you were comparing them to being one with examples of things only the team can control. Well if y
28 VH-KCT* : Okay, fair enough Michelin made a rather serious engineering mistake. But if they are to be blamed, shouldn't Schumacher be blamed for making 2004 a
29 ZKEYE : The FIA offered to let them - there are penalties though - it was Michelins decision not to use different tires. It does have an effect on the suppli
30 ZKEYE : But it was not up to Ferrari. They did not have the power to make this decision. For what its worth I am a McLaren supporter (New Zealand team and al
31 VH-KCT* : No they didn't have the power to change the rules, but they could have joined the other teams in searching for a solution. Perhaps not to allow the M
32 Monteycarlos : So thats your point? The Bridgestone teams might not win if Michelin are allowed to replace their tyres so we should not let them do that? Aren't you
33 ZKEYE : I understand where you are coming from (I think). 2004 was a shite season beacuse Ferrari were so far in advance of everyone else. Should the rules b
34 Post contains links Kay : http://www.formula1.com/race/news/3209/740.html NOT what this FIA statement reads: http://www.formula1.com/race/news/3209/740.html ..strange. I wonder
35 ZKEYE : Michelin couldn't provide the right tires. THATS my point. The rules dictate that if a team changes tires during a weekend there are penalties. They
36 Monteycarlos : They could and did - but the FIA was too stubborn to allow a race. Ferrari could have allowed an outcome that would have seen a better race but inste
37 SASlover : It was a colombian guy who payed about 2500 dollars to see it. He never wan't to see F1 anymore.
38 Post contains images PipoA380 : Yeah, but you also have GWB!
39 ZRH : The FIA is worst. According to a statement of Peter Sauber the Michelin teams offered that, if they could change the tires, they would join the race b
40 Monteycarlos : Thats the way I understood it as well - It was a compromise made to keep the fans happy however I believe there all teams agreed to this except Ferra
41 Post contains images TedTAce : Mr. Spineless himself? Oh yeah, let's RAPE CART, for the 'purity of oval racing' then 10 years later when I think everyone has forgotten, I'll go bac
42 Senorcarnival : It was time from 1988 to 1990 and the Olympia Rally (based in mountain roads in the State of Washington) failed miserably. The SCCA series has a smal
43 Banco : Max Moseley was interviewed on the radio yesterday, and said that the chicane idea was a non-starter because it would have been a massive breach of th
44 SlamClick : Some of you need a little business experience to understand what happened. Michelin pulled its tires as a business decision, rooted in safety question
45 MauriceB : In the U.S. we have NASCAR. We have the IRL, which is gaining in popularity. We also have NHRA. We don't need F1. youre comparing an Cessna with an A3
46 Slider : The racing community today in general reminds me of the way the airlines used to be run in that they're run by ego-driven megalomaniacal personalities
47 TedTAce : Maybe we ought to make him an 'offer' he can't refuse eh?
48 KCMike : I just got back in from Indianapolis! What a display of emotions from all of the crowd. I met people who have traveled all the way from Asia, Europe,
49 LTBEWR : I enjoy F-1, NASCAR, IRL, CART, and even some WRC. Each form of racing has it's fans, good drivers and different tracks. There is something exciting i
50 Srbmod : All three series have run races (some were points races, others were exhibitions) outside of North America and have attracted decent crowds. IRL and
51 Post contains images Kay : I don't understand why everybody is blaming Ferrari?
52 RayChuang : I blame Michelin for this whole fiasco. The reason is simple: why didn't they bothered to actually consider the fact that the long sweeping run at Ind
53 Senorcarnival : It would be interesting to see F1 at Laguna Seca, though because of the nature of the track, I doubt it would work out. I still don't get how Ferrari
54 Post contains images Slider : Yeah, the only problem is the old lady would still be alive and would take control.
55 KCMike : New York would make out for an interesting race if they could set of some sort of street course there. Daytona is a nice name and probably a good plac
56 SASlover : It's because that they always get their rights and anything and when Michael Shoemaker payed FIA to get the Hockenheim Curcuit made on his way.
57 Post contains images Boeing4ever : F1 fans beware and learn something about CART/IRL, for the debacle at Indy highlighted serious problems with rules, regulations, and politicking at FI
58 TedTAce : NFW.. Stopping NASCAR (as much as I don't like NASCAR myself) is like stopping those 50+ million morons from voting for GW. Nascar is a 'farmer's spo
59 Post contains links Fumanchewd : BS. Like all of the black and female F1 drivers? Lets face the facts http://www.automag.com/AAOWMagazine/1999_winter/aroundtrack.asp http://www.shepp
60 Bill142 : There was a WRC round there a few years back. I think it was a one time only thing, a bit like China. Not unless the tyre is deemed unsafe to drive o
61 JCS17 : Who cares. Auto racing is boring in any shape or form. If you paid $200 to see an F1 race, you deserve to be bored to tears. Talk about repetative.
62 Post contains links and images TedTAce : I Knew it, I knew, I Knew it!!!!!! It was ALL a VAST Right wing conspiracy: 6/20 A fleet of shiny Ferrari sports cars joins the Catholic pilgrims and
63 Post contains images Biggles : Wait til NASCAR goes to Europe....and it rains.
64 TedTAce : Did I miss another Stupid Friday thread somewhere?
65 Biggles : True , it was a silly comment.The rednecks would be driving around for days looking for the bridge ...
66 Post contains images Boeing4ever : First off, I know plenty of Democrats who like this sport, so the generalizations aren't that close. The reason for this is explained in my third poi
67 N317AS : Who the hell gives a crap about outside of North America where racing is concerned. Hmmm......F1. See reply 3 to see how fun that is.
68 Nosedive : not in NASCAR
69 Post contains images Boeing4ever : India!? You have to be kidding me. You should care about CART/IRL first of all since F1 is heading down the same fateful path CART took long ago. Sec
70 DCrawley : Ah this is such a soar subject! My neighbor flew all the way down from BFI just to watch the races.. and man, was he one pissed of neighbor when he go
71 N317AS : I'm fairly confident if the sponsors, and Tony George let it happen, the fans will be there next year. Just like the baseball strike, the fans had to
72 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : First of all, mark my words, India will be (if not already is) THE market for which car manufacturers shall be fighting tooth-and-nail, not the US. B
73 Post contains images TedTAce : Yes I somewhat generalized, but realize the first 'republican shot' was an analogy. In the second 'shot' I said "most". I really wish someone would h
74 Cornish : Absoultey right. give it a few years and there will most likely be two GPs a year in both India and China. They are the big car markets of the future
75 VH-KCT* : Exactly, these are the markets of the future. BMW, Honda & Toyota are going to sell cars in America with or without F1, but these emerging markets ar
76 Cornish : Absolutely. Honda and Toyota certainly have no problems building, selling cars AND making money in the US - unlike their US-owned rivals. We've got a
77 SlamClick : The so-called right wing is NOT Catholic. They are predominantly protestant and tolerate Catholics only because they are not Buddhist or some other w
78 Cornish : May be different in the States, but over here,when a team wins it is usually the Manufacturer who fills the newspapers and the like with large advert
79 VH-KCT* : The advertising on the cars may be a lot to do with non-motor products. But there are BAR, Williams & McLaren running engines engineered and badged b
80 FlyAUA : Well sounds like many people are upset. I used to be a fan of F1 but stopped following up. Could anybody *briefly* tell me what all this fiasco with t
81 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Long story short. Michelin deemed their tyres unfit for racing after a crash in turn 13 by Ralf Schumacher (Toyota), new tires flown in did not resolv
82 Post contains images FlyAUA : Ouch! Doesn't sound too pretty... thanks for the explanation
83 Srbmod : The last time F1 tried to do a race in Vegas, it was a disaster. Oh yeah, let's set up a road course in the back parking lot of Caesar's Palace. And
84 RayChuang : Speaking of NASCAR, the thing that is starting to scare the American manufacturers is the very possibility that both Toyota and Honda will start racin
85 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Where's your second of all? Yes, India will be an important market...however, F1 itself needs to get fans in the seats...and keep 'em there. They did
86 Post contains images Boeing4ever : The reason noone picked up on it is because most of the right-wing is comprised of White Anglo Saxon Protestants, not Catholics, who happen to be a l
87 Post contains images TedTAce : Sounds like more justification to hate Ferrari to me...
88 Bill142 : Honda and Mercedes own part of their respective teams.
89 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Isn't that the same thing ? UTA
90 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Only for the views of somebody who hasn't got a clue about US demographics and would prefer to paste their own views about somebody to a situation to
91 Cptkrell : Just picked up on the thread after returning from a mini-vacation in (you guessed it...Indy); CPT Rickenbacher is rolling over in his grave. Quick com
92 Post contains images TedTAce : Funny, your mom thought it was pretty big
93 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Do yourself a favor...overlook my initial rantings in the "Grand Prix News, Only six cars to race" thread...I was not a happy camper. She's got highe
94 Swisskloten : Actually, McLaren is based in the UK and funded heavily by a Saudi family named Ojjeh. They were founded by the late Kiwi Bruce McLaren.
95 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : For those who don't know who Mansour Ojjeh is, think TAG Aviatio and TAG-Heuer watches (amongst other things) UTA
96 SHUPirate1 : Really...how come then, after the Monaco Grand Prix and before the European Grand Prix, the FIA got rid of their double-tiered qualifying sessions an
97 SHUPirate1 : Srbmod-To go through your list, I like the Watkins Glen Inner/Outer Setup best...keep in mind that Daytona will never happen, as the 3.56 mile infield
98 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Funny thing is, people were lining up on Monday to purchase tickets for 2006 UTA
99 TedTAce : And who say's Americans are weak minded???
100 VH-KCT* : This thread's been going so long that I've changed my mind on the issue at least twice... The funny thing is people (myself included) spent all last y
101 Post contains images Jamie757 : In my view, having read the facts on the matter, the only thing for people to do here is to blame Michelin and the associated teams. It is through the
102 Post contains links Nosedive : Paul Stoddart Views: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns15087.html
103 Alessandro : Latest, Michelin is paying the tickets for all people this year and giving out 20k tickets to next race. Good move, Michelin, safety first and compens
104 L410Turbolet : That's just utter nonsense. Please don't tell me you really believe that the ordinary Michelin tire on one's VW Golf or Toyota Camry has anything in
105 Slider : The unanswered question at this juncture is IF there is a next race! Tony George still has to weigh in on that, and you better believe he's going to
106 Alessandro : Slider, yes, expensive for Michelin, 7 teams will get fined, sum not clear yet (no bans nor point deduction) and guess who´s going to pay for that?
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