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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Hey guys -

I was just talking to a co-worker about Export Compliance laws and he mentioned something about Israel and Australia being "arch-enemies" and having very strained relations. I have never heard anything about this, it's the first time I've heard that there was any sort of animosity between them.

Can someone explain the background behind this? What caused the rift between them? Any reference material/reading you can point me to would be great.

Thanks!  
Steve

[Edited 2005-06-22 19:22:47]

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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

Strange, but our archi-enemy's foreign minister was here less then a month ago, opening the Australian films festival in Tel Aviv's Cinematheque...

I guess they forgot to tell it to him (or us).

You can also check this out:

http://www.foreignminister.gov.au/sp...04/040125FF_aust_chamber_comm.html

[Edited 2005-06-22 19:32:06]


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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

Maybe he could be wrong.. I don't know. Like I said, this is the first I've heard of it.. I'm just trying to make sense of it.

Steve


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

I just Googled the matter and didn't come up with much. Except for an incident concerning Mossad agents in New Zealand trying to get false passports. Is it possible that he confused Australia with New Zealand?  Confused

User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 3):
. Is it possible that he confused Australia with New Zealand?

Even if he did - that still wouldn't be true, although Israel-NZ relations did suffer from the incident you've mentioned - albeit on a political level only.



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1082 times:

If it'll help the context of the discussion any, here's the specific text that got us talking about it, and then he mentioned Australia in addition.

"U.S. law prohibits... from knowingly participating in a non-U.S. boycott of certain countries that are friendly to the United States. Boycott requests must be reported to the U.S. Government.

U.S. Law may prohibit any of the following; therefore, each transaction must be reviewed against the following profile to ensure compliance:

  • Agreements to refuse - or actual refusals - to do business with Israel or with blacklisted companies

  • Furnishing information about business relationships with Israel or with blacklisted companies.

  • All transactions and documents received from any of the following countries: Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.


So that's where my question came from, even though Australia isn't listed there, he said they once were because they had asked us to boycott Israel for some reason. He used Australia as an example to explain the concept to me.

Steve


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Lets try to solve this :

What's common for Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen?

The answer could be quit easy when thinking of Israel, but Argentina, Nigeria,India and even Jordan rule that out. Not to mention that Iran is not on the list and neither is Egypt. What else?

Also, what's the origin of the text?



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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

The text is a qoute concerning US Export Control regulations and EAR (Export Administration Regulation). It's basically about how information and goods are controlled for export outside of the United States.

And given the list, I can see why most of them are there. But I don't think India, Nigeria or Argentina are hostile towards Israel, at least that I know. And as you mention, Iran is missing. So I am quite perplexed.  Confused

Steve


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

Is Kangaroo meat Kosher? Maybe that's the source of the problem  biggrin 


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

No strained relations that I can think of. The only things I could think of are the New Zealand incident with the Mossad, and perhaps Australian authorities not allowing El Al security to carry their own weapons (hence El Al couldn't fly there).

But I don't think India, Nigeria or Argentina are hostile towards Israel, at least that I know.

Israel actually has super close relations with India, believe it or not. Israel has very close relations with some countries that you wouldn't expect, such as Singapore. They used to be very close to South Africa as well.


User currently offlineConcordeLoss From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 6):
What's common for Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Nigeria, Oman, Qatar, Saudia Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates and Yemen?

How did Argentina get in there? All of the other countries you mentioned are either Arab or Muslim countries (or have a big Muslim population), but what does Argentina have in common with them. I thought they had a big Jewish population.

Could someone explain please?

Thank you



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Quoting ConcordeLoss (Reply 10):
Could someone explain please?

You are re-iterating my question  Smile


When it come to controlling exports of US products to Argentina I can think of it as the only country in the western hemisphere that actively didn't accept the Monroe doctrine. (Do correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe the answer lies in that direction...



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Israel actually has super close relations with India, believe it or not.

Yup, they have very good relations with India, selling them defense hardware etc. But India citizens still need a visa to go to Israel. They have pretty good relations with South Africa also.

I don't know of any incident which may have strained relations between Israel and Australia. I've been to Israel twice using my Australian passport, there were no problems at all. Nobody even bothered...they were more concerned with the flight from Bombay which had also landed at the same time.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 989 times:

When my Aunt and Unlce went there about 5 years ago now, when they were leaving they were taken asside and interrogated. Neither are jewish, neither come from any middle eastern back ground, my aunt who is a solicitor isn't likley to go around breaking any laws. They were quite perplexed as to why they seemed to be singled out.

Is this a normal circumstance? or could this be a as a result of strained relations if any between the two countries.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 985 times:

Is this a normal circumstance?

Normal for all pax, Jewish and non-Jewish.

Did they enjoy their trip?


User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 840 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 979 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Israel and Australia being "arch-enemies"

Not enemies in any sense of the word but Australian intelligence services have had constant trouble with Israeli intelligence officers. Numerous incidents and several people have been deported and refused entry. The most recent I think was an Israeli "so called" diplomat who got too friendly with the daughter of a senior government minister.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/...4/1107476807834.html?oneclick=true

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1305609.htm

Australia is certainly not anti-Israel and has a large Jewish population but I personally I am getting a bit tired of the Mossad's desire to have links, passports of or intelligence assets in every country. Let's be honest, Australia is no threat to them or in actuality anyone!


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 967 times:

Argentina has had historically taken positions in all the subjectcs usually against the USA and its allies.
For example they were pro-nazis during WWII, and not only didn't send troops(Brazil and some other countries did)But they gave refuge to a lot of nazis, Eichmann and Priebke, just to name two.They almost went to a war with Chile,who's very pro Britain, and thus pro USA,and actually went to a war with the Britain itself.
Those are just a few things, I could name some more....but lately the gov has been trying to become closer to the US, so thing are changing.

Mike



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 957 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 5):
Australia isn't listed there, he said they once were because they had asked us to boycott Israel for some reason.

That's utterly ridiculous. All Australian government's have been supportive of Israel since it's creation. Especially former Prime Minister Bob Hawke (1983-1991), who is a bit of a fixture in Australian-Israeli relations.

Australia would probably not be a key US ally if it was anti-Israel.

Australia also has one of the world's largest Jewish communities outside Israel in Melbourne, Victoria.

You're friend is incorrect or simply confused.

QFF


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 15):
Let's be honest, Australia is no threat to them or in actuality anyone!

And nobody in Mossad sees it like one  Smile. The other incidents are plain dumb IMO.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 948 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 15):
Let's be honest, Australia is no threat to them or in actuality anyone!

Your inability to grasp the full implications of our nation's place in the world astounds me.

QFF


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