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Democrats: Rove Should Apologize Or Resign  
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Flap over remark about liberals' response to 9/11 attacks
Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 1:34 p.m. EDT (17:34 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- White House adviser Karl Rove should either apologize or resign for saying liberals responded to the September 11 terrorist strikes by wanting to "prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers," Democrats said Thursday.

Adding to the rancor, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, suggested that Republican charges that Democrats were undermining the war on terror with their criticism of administration policies amounted to an act of desperation.

"The president wanted to go to Iraq in the worst possible way and he did," Pelosi said. "The president is on the ropes."

Bush's chief political adviser, Rove said in a speech Wednesday that "liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he told the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

Rove said the Democratic Party made the mistake of calling for "moderation and restraint" after the terrorist attacks.

Democrats respond
Democrats were quick to respond -- and in growing numbers.

"Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks or he should resign," Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said in a statement. "I hope the president will join me in repudiating these remarks."

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric."

The White House defended Rove's remarks and accused Democrats of engaging in partisan attacks. Rove, said spokesman Scott McClellan, "was talking about the different philosophies and our different approaches when it comes to winning the war on terrorism."

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/rove.speech.ap/index.html


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User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Even though I lean conservative, thank God I don't go by what that loony says. I think an apology is the least he could do.

I did think this was funny though:

Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric."



29th, Let's Go!
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17784 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
Karl Rove should immediately and fully apologize for his remarks or he should resign," Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said in a statement.

Harry, have you met Howard Dean? Shut the hell up.

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric.""

You have GOT to be kidding me. Howard Dean's picture must be in the dictionary next to the definition of "hypocrite".

[Edited 2005-06-23 20:11:01]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting Greyhound (Reply 1):
I did think this was funny though:

True .. it is very hard to imagine Dean in the role of a bridge-building diplomat!!  Smile Smile

And that is coming from someone who is leaning to the very progressive side.



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User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

But come on, Maverick. Rove's remarks are lies, and he needs to retract them and apologize just as much, or more, than Dick Durbin did for his gulag comments. For that fat toad mouthpiece McClellan to give the pat "partisan" rebuttal is a perfect example of how the Bush administration absolutely refuses to set a cooperative tone in ANY area. They feel they can make the most outrageously partisan accusations, tell senators to go "fuck" themselves, tell the terrorists to "bring it on", and make any other incendiary remark their small minds can think of with impunity. If a Democrat says anything, however, it's treason.

Yeah, Dean goes over the top sometimes, but he's the DNC chairman, NOT one of the closest advisors to the President. That is a big difference. If the White House can't learn to play well with others, it's absolutely hopeless the mess in Congress will ever improve. Rove is a bastard from the word go. A smart bastard, but a bastard nevertheless, and he bears much of the behind the scenes blame for the inexcusable mess that Washington is right now.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1378 times:
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Democrats were quick to respond -- and in growing numbers.

Of course they did - not because they're actually upset, but because they're desperately grasping at ANYTHING that will enable them to deflect attention from Senator Durbin's week of bad press.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17784 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting Dvk (Reply 4):
But come on, Maverick. Rove's remarks are lies

Fine, so now the score of asinine remarks directed towards the opposite party is Democrats 389, Republicans 1.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Harry, have you met Howard Dean? Shut the hell up.



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Fine, so now the score of asinine remarks directed towards the opposite party is Democrats 389, Republicans 1.

Yeah, you keep believing that Maverick...you keep right on believing that.  Yeah sure

If you really can't see the venom coming from that right as well as the left, you truly are lost.

This little bit did make me laugh though...

Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric."

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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3307 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

The question remains: If Rove apologizes, will the Democrats accept his apology like the Republicans did of Durbin the first time, or will they reject his apology like they did of Lott repeatedly? I'd like to believe the Democratic Party could take the high road, but I just don't see this happening. Not with MoveOn.org and Michael Moore holding the leash.


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Yeah, KFLLCFII, just like the Republicans and Swift Boat Veterans for Lies, et al, have taken the high road. Give us a break. "Michael Moore holding the leash"? Just what are YOU smoking?

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Fine, so now the score of asinine remarks directed towards the opposite party is Democrats 389, Republicans 1.

Hyperbole does not become you, Maverick.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 5):
Of course they did - not because they're actually upset, but because they're desperately grasping at ANYTHING that will enable them to deflect attention from Senator Durbin's week of bad press

If you can't see that this tit for tat has reached the level of insanity on BOTH sides, then you have blinders on.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17784 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 7):
If you really can't see the venom coming from that right

Such as...? There's plenty of venom but nothing like the daily Dean attacks of "Republicans/conservatives are all **fill in blank with negative generalization**".

"This little bit did make me laugh though..."

Does anybody REALLY believe the "I didn't like your comment so I'm going to say it made me laugh" standard airliners.net retort anymore? Nothing directed at you specifically but I see it all the time.

[Edited 2005-06-23 22:48:30]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Personally I love how Democrats are outraged at the fact that a Republican made fun of them. That's an outrage! But when a Democrat slanders his country and the men and women who serve it while on the Senate floor, on the record, that's passion.

So make a comment about the other party wanting to win the war on terrorism by having a bake sale is cause for resignation in shame, but slandering your country on the Senate floor is not.

Hmmm... I better not say anymore because my liberal city council may decide that they want to build a mall where my home is, and there's nothing I can do about it!



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
Does anybody REALLY believe the "I didn't like your comment so I'm going to say it made me laugh" standard airliners.net retort anymore?

Outrageous comments that show that the writer has his head up his arse are worthy of howls of laughter.

I guess having one's head up one's arse is one way of having blinders on. Saves on the cost of blinders too.

But seriously, what does one expect from Karl Rove? After all this is the man responsible for his boss' Bob Jones University appearance, the McCain "black child out of wedlock" rumor, and the entire gay marriage political football to court evangelical right wingers.

If Nancy Pelosi expected a higher standard from Rove, she needs to put down the peace pipe and start strategizing on how to defeat this vile mobster of American politics.


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3307 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

Quoting Dvk (Reply 9):
just like the Republicans and Swift Boat Veterans for Lies, et al, have taken the high road

Just comparing apples to apples, brother: If the Republicans can accept Durbin's apology, I should hope the Democrats can accept Rove's. Yes, I'm hoping a good thing for your party, and I know it doesn't happen too often on A.net when a member of one party wishes good things for the other. But I can't force you to believe that; you'll either believe me or you won't.

Regarding Michael Moore, I know the Republicans have their Jerry Falwells and Christian Coalition too, and I'm not proud of these extremists either. However, I also don't deny they have a significant pull on the Republican Party. In the same light, if the Democratic Party tends to go the way of Michael Moore and MoveOn.org, so be it; If they have such a strong pull, then apparently this is the path that the Democratic Party wishes to proceed. The same holds true for the Republican Party's Jerry Falwell and the Christian Coalition. You don't have to accept the extremists, but it's good to at least acknowledge who is having the greatest effect on your party, so you'll understand why your party does and says the things it does.  Smile


Regards,

Bryan



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13704 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
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There's a key difference between what Rove said and what Durbin said - Durbin's remarks openly insulted people who actively defend our country, while Rove merely poked fun at political figures and their reaction to 9/11.

Was it in bad taste? That's not for me to decide - although I personally found Rove's comments to be funny. But don't think for a moment that this comes even REMOTELY close to Senator Durbin's remarks.

[Edited 2005-06-23 23:31:37]


"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

For a brief period immediately after 9/11 we were all AMERICANS first and foremost.

Fast forward a couple of years and we are in one of the most divisive period in American history.

Both parties are guilty of this divisiveness and in this area, the terrorists seem to have won.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17784 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
Outrageous comments that show that the writer has his head up his arse are worthy of howls of laughter.

Are you going to try to back that up or just follow up with the same standard airliners.net nonsense? I bet I can guess which you'll choose.

I will gladly recant my views and admit I'm wrong if anyone can show me that this group of Democrats/liberals doesn't take the absolute prize for sheer number of "Republicans/conservatives are all brown shirts/Nazis/Greedy/lazy/white/Christian/people who've never worked a day in their life/dishonest" statements. But with Kerry and Dean on your side, that will be near impossible.

[Edited 2005-06-24 00:33:03]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Well, no one apologized to Democratic voters for being immoral during the last presidential election. Considering the performance of this present administration, I would not accept any apology they extend.


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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
Was it in bad taste? That's not for me to decide - although I personally found Rove's comments to be funny. But don't think for a moment that this comes even REMOTELY close to Senator Durbin's remarks.

Sure, you will avoid judging Rove because it's not for you to decide ... and then immediately turn and around and proceed with juding Durbin?

Here's a challenge for you EA CO AS ... surprise us one day.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
White House adviser Karl Rove should either apologize or resign for saying liberals responded to the September 11 terrorist strikes by wanting to "prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers,"

Well they had to make something up to deflect attention from Durbin and Dean.

Both of whom said something a hell of a lot worse.

Rove needs to tell the democrats to pound sand.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
make something up

What exactly was "made up" ?



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

To me, both parties Congress & Senate members, key party leaders themselves and top state leaders, should each have closed door, no press allowed conferences and there leaders should read all the riot act about their recent disgusting beheavor and comments.
Calling people 'Nazis' or comparing Gitmo to a gulag, or calling liberals = to traitors and soft on terror, or just cutting off critizism is wrong no matter who says it. One can argue and knock the oppsition party and their views in far more civil ways that will be constructive, not destructive; showing concern, not contempt and consensus and balance and not walling off and sticking to distant corners. We need to worry more about preventing another 9/11, not using 9/11 as a crugle against the opposition or going too far against personal freedoms.
The current beheavor of leading politicans to each other is turning off many Americans from political concerns and politicans. This isn't good for anyone, as important issues are being ignored to the great hurt of many.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting Diamond (Thread starter):
Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean called on Bush to "show some leadership and unequivocally repudiate Rove's divisive and damaging political rhetoric."

BIGGG Pot, BIGGG Kettle, VERRRRY Black, Next?

Idiot!

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
If Nancy Pelosi expected a higher standard from Rove, she needs to put down the peace pipe and start strategizing on how to defeat this vile mobster of American politics.

And go look in the mirror and stiffle her own loud mouthed rhetoric . . . peas in a pod . . . and take Howard Dean with her.

More name calling and sniveling - sounds like a bad night on A-Net.

Get over it. Rove runs his mouth; Dean runs his mouth; Pelosi never, ever shuts up; SNAFU in DC . . .


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
More name calling and sniveling - sounds like a bad night on A-Net.

More like par for the course to me..save a certain picture that is... no longer available.


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Things will not improve as long as Bush is President. He and his cronies, Cheney and Rove foremost, have set the standard for being bastards who are unwilling to work with anybody who doesn't see eye-to-eye with them. They don't stop there. They viciously belittle anyone who dares to contradict them. No other administration in my lifetime has behaved as abominably and with such malevolence toward anyone who doesn't follow them blindly.

EA CO AS and Maverick, why don't you show where the Bush administration has EVER truly attempted to work in a bipartisan manner over the past four years? You can't! The brief period of unity after 9/11 doesn't count, because Bush and company rapidly squandered that unity on a global basis.

Until we have an administration that can comport itself with some level of dignity and civility, there is no hope for Congress. W bears the ultimate blame for this debacle, because HE is the one who set the tone.



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25 Post contains images Boeing4ever : And the demonization of the word "liberal". Calling Democrats soft on terror, flip-flopper, etc. Don't be a fool, both parties generalize each other
26 ANCFlyer : Dvk, I hate to toss out this old cliche, cause I KNOW it'll draw incoming from all quarters, but the issue of Partisan Politics isn't a BUSH problem.
27 MaverickM11 : No, because that's not what this thread is about. Of course they do, but most of it has been coming from the Democrat camp in the last year.
28 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Clue in, the Democrats are the party out of power. What do you think the Republicans were up to when Clinton was in office. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
29 Flybyguy : A call to resign? Democrats can barely hold their seats in Congress so I think they have a little more to worry about then back handed statements from
30 Post contains images KC135R : Durbin's comments were thoughtless and careless to some extent, but this one guy's comments are not that big of a deal....You want to talk about defl
31 Dvk : Maverick, that's an incredibly weak response. Bush's absolute unwillingness to even attempt to work with anyone who doesn't agree with him 100% is ult
32 RJpieces : Am I the only one here who agrees with what Rove said? Sadly, there have been many liberals in this country with a similiar outlook to the one Rove is
33 MaverickM11 : Go for it. That's what I asked for.
34 Post contains images KC135R : Which is sad because they should be able to kill the Republicans in elections since the Republicans have, for the most part, fallen out of favor with
35 KFLLCFII : The are many obvious problems with polls: The legitimacy of parties administering them, the demographic of the sample, the total number questioned, t
36 ANCFlyer : Polls are like assholes . . . there are many of them and they all stink! Depending on which side of the fence your political loyalties lie, will depen
37 KC135R : I see your points, but I am not speaking in absolutes it was more of a "doing the will of the people" in a general sense. The majority of the populat
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : When that occurs there will be NHL in Hades (or anywhere ). Very few politicians 'get it". Most are browbeaten by their parties . . . it's a visiou c
39 KFLLCFII : Agreed. However this doesn't just apply to the President; This also applies across the House, and especially across the Senate at the moment. Both si
40 MidnightMike : The media has been saying that for quite some time and it is quite untrue, I remember Dick Gephart saying that for every 100 point drop in the Dow Jo
41 KC135R : So true...other than term limits of some type, which could be helpful, I wish we also had at least one more major party - or no parties at all for th
42 Slider : Remember, it's OK to slander Jews and minimalize the Holocaust, you just can't speak about the spineless, appeasement-minded Democrats.
43 Post contains images EA CO AS : Fine. I've decided what Rove said was funny - since it wasn't a jab aimed at the armed forces, but mere politicians - and what Durbin said was hurtfu
44 Post contains images Slider : True, because Lord knows we haven't worked an honest day in our lives, right? YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH Howard!!!!!! ROFLMAO! The sad thing is that the Repu
45 OzarkD9S : [quote=Boeing4ever,reply=25][You flunked history class boy. How can I tell? You clearly forgot the Civil War!/quote] And you flunked English. I said "
46 EA CO AS : True. C'mon Republican party, do we REALLY need an amendment banning flag burning or desecration? Honestly? I'd never want to see someone burning a U
47 NonRevKing : There are? But you and you right wing buddies on here keep saying stuff like the Dems are irrelevant: "The Dems are acting all bent outta shape becau
48 EA CO AS : A "fucking awful job" would be based numerous terrorist attacks on our homeland since 9/11, or a complete lack of ANY disruption of terror cell activ
49 MaverickM11 : There is nothing to fear in the Democratic party right now; I WISH there was something to fear because that would keep the Republicans in check. But
50 Post contains images NonRevKing : Congrats, it only took the destruction of the WTC's to get Bush to pay attention to those memos! And if you don't think they could have another major
51 Jaysit : Rove is a disgusting pig who is playing the spineless Democrats again. Let's hope they don't let him off the hook this time, and show some spine. The
52 Post contains links KyleLosAngeles : The White House has now stepped up to support Rove. They have declared his comments "accurate". But then again, this is the administration that has ne
53 Post contains images Boeing4ever : And yet you still don't know how to properly use the quote feature. The country is only as divided as YOU let it be. If you keep judging people based
54 NonRevKing : Very well said Jay, there's really nothing they can say to that! B
55 EA CO AS : Oh spare me. It's not like his predecessor, St. Bill of Hope, did much more against al Qaeda. Besides, the "War on Terror" really began right AFTER 9
56 Post contains images TedTAce : Well, you know while I support the death penalty, I don't personally wish death on anyone. That being said you know I'm joking when I say anything abo
57 Post contains images NonRevKing : Well, truth be told, Clinton did try to kill bin Laden with a cruise missile strike, based on intel on his location. Ok, so it was bad intel, but hey
58 EA CO AS : How did you manage to make that stunning leap? In what way are Manson and bin Laden similar, other than the fact that they're both murderers? Manson
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