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Is Bush Becoming A Lame Duck President?  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1830 times:

Think about it, his poll numbers are dropping, the Bolton nomination is on the rocks, his Social Security plan is almost derailed, and he is losing support from both Republicans and democrats on key issues. He will not be able to get his legislation passed. That all adds up to a lame duck presidency.


Your thoughts?


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5239 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1828 times:

All two term Presidents are Lame Ducks.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1825 times:

I think this is just the standard 2nd term presidency. Now we just have to see if the shit hits the fan like it almost did in the past administration, or he just continues on this downward path.

Harry



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1822 times:

I think most presidents spend the 2nd term pondering their legacy and ignore


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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1815 times:

He's always been a lame duck president... yet he ended up with a majority of the support... shows you how bad Kerry really was!


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1814 times:

He's already a lame duck president, but soon he's gonna be a dead duck president with the albatross of his disgusting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq hanging around his neck, wars that we're losing and will lose, btw.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1808 times:

Afghanistan and Iraq hanging around his neck, wars that we're losing and will lose, btw.

How exactly are we losing in Afghanistan? Or are you just lumping it together without really thinking about it? Either way, ignorant response.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 5):
He's already a lame duck president, but soon he's gonna be a dead duck president with the albatross of his disgusting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq hanging around his neck, wars that we're losing and will lose, btw.

More    from the NON-VOTER! Discounted immediately. . . no Dog in the Hunt.

All two term Presidents are essentially Lame Duck Presidents.

It remains to be seen what legacy will be left to follow this President. Things are not over in Iraq (and will not be when he leaves office by the by); his Social Security reforms are on the blocks (just like Clinton's); the economy is fairing reasonably well, but needs continued and much improvement yet; US Energy Policy is moving along and may well pass both House and Senate soon; much work left to be done.

I definitely toss some of the blame to PotUS, but I also toss a greater portion of the blame for inactivity on legislation to the Partisan Assholes in the Sewer on the Potomac. If they could move beyond Partisan    and actually DO the job they were elected to do, perhaps it wouldn't matter what PotUS tries, the country might move forward. Shameful actions on both sides of the aisle in both houses . . .   

Any judgement on what will remain and what the legacy shall be is way too premature at this point.

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
shows you how bad Kerry really was!

  

Geez, where's Falcon when you need him to liven up a thread!   

Edit: Typo

[Edited 2005-06-24 06:18:13]

User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 4):
shows you how bad Kerry really was!

well he dopes have a point. The Democrats ran a ''anybody but Bush capmaign'' and thus were defeatedly badly.



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User currently offlineBasas From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1784 times:

^Maybe next time they should focus more on their own platform rather than trying to show everyone how bad Bush was.

How about another question: Is Martin becoming a lame duck Prime Minister? Yes!


User currently onlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
All two term Presidents are essentially Lame Duck Presidents.

Why re-elect then?



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1777 times:

Is Bush Becoming A Lame Duck President?

No, and he's not our puppet, either.

Signed,
The Council on Foreign Relations


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1771 times:

Why re-elect then?

Because if there is no possibility for a second term, every president would become a lame duck president.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting Basas (Reply 9):
Is Martin becoming a lame duck Prime Minister?

He always was a lame duck PM... it's been apparent from the start. He's still miles ahead of Stephen Harper though... no question.



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User currently onlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
Because if there is no possibility for a second term, every president would become a lame duck president.

true ... I guess this is a lose-lose situation



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User currently offlineBasas From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1752 times:

Quoting A332 (Reply 13):
He always was a lame duck PM... it's been apparent from the start. He's still miles ahead of Stephen Harper though... no question.

Actually- i'll question that. But obviously you prefer to live with a PM who has no intentions of running the country, only of what to do to get him re-elected for another term.


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 728 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1749 times:

The term lame duck does not apply as much to a President as a Congress Person, since Presidents are always "serving out their last term" if they get re-elected. The way I understand it, a President should not be a lame duck until his successor is elected, so it is about 3 years too early to be talking about a lame duck President.

At any rate, his legacy - as of right this minute - is not looking good. I agree with ANC, much of the blame goes on those morons in the Congress, but this President has proven himself to be pretty "lame" as of late, and considering how influential this administration has been they must share in the blame.
For example...
He's spending all his "political capital" on a social security plan the VAST majority of Americans don't want. Even he admits his private accounts do nothing to stop the solvency problem, might even hasten the process. Iraq is nearly 2.5 years along and progress is sluggish at best. Despite Cheney's remarks that the insurgency is in its "last throes", for example, more people were killed in that country this June than one year ago - so it sounds like the insurgents have gotten better. His tax cuts spurred an 8 trillion dollar deficit. Several states - including the state he came from - are suing the federal government because of No Child Left Behind, one of his biggest pieces of legislation. His nominee to the UN seems to be a failed attempt, as well he should be - you don't send someone to the UN who obviously, and publicly, despises the organization. You think Bolton would get any cooperation with anyone there, since they all know about his lovely comments in the past?? ANYWAY - To top it all off, he has the lowest approval ratings ever of a second term president at this point in his second term. Oh yeah, and several of the locked-step Republican Senators and Reps are now speaking out against the administration's policies. Things are not looking good right now, but there's time for a change. However, judging by the past (nearly) 5 years, I am not optimistic it will get better. I am very disappointed in Bush as a president - but there wasn't a lot of choice the past 2 elections now was there?


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1749 times:

Nah, I don't like Martin... but again, he's still miles ahead of Harper and his pack of goons.


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User currently offlineBasas From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1746 times:

Ahead of Layton...yes. Ahead of Martin...no.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
If they could move beyond Partisan and actually DO the job they were elected to do,

Something about seeing how many kick backs and PAC paid trips overseas they can get instead of focusing on the task at hand.. Shameful I agree..


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 19):
Something about seeing how many kick backs and PAC paid trips overseas they can get instead of focusing on the task at hand.. Shameful I agree..

Maybe we should call Tom Delay for advice on how to handle it?


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2224 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Bush will remain something which people laugh at here in Europe. Now that he's reelected he seems to just do the bare minimum.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Maybe we should call Tom Delay for advice on how to handle it?

I think there are a few Dem's that could help out as they are equally educated on the subject as he is... make this a 'bipartisian' effort.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

Now, there is no need for him to be so present in the media and he has much time to play golf again, and to spent 50% of his remaining presidency for beeing on vacation. Like he did before 9/11.  rotfl 

Axel

[Edited 2005-06-24 15:21:36]


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Let's throw this into the mix then.

Anyone who tries to divert the debate gets the



The question: Regardless of who is in the job now or has been previously, would a three term restriction be better for the USA than the current two terms?


25 Turtle : I really feel that the democrat voters have been seriously cheated. As a Mass resident, I can tell you that this guy is worthless. He did absolutly N
26 S12PPL : He was a lame duck president before 9/11, and now that everyone is realizing what a moron he truely is...He's back to being a lame duck president. Wat
27 Post contains images Superfly : *** EVERYONE TAKE NOTE*** MD-90 said: Remember he is the same guy who asked about about the possibility of a Boeing 767 slamming in to the World Trad
28 Budyboy : I don't want to misunderrepresent this; not only is Bush a lame duck, but he is also in the last throes of his presidency.
29 RJpieces : I think Bush had a great shot after the election to have a powerful few months or years, but his social security plan collapsing is going to screw the
30 Jaysit : He's flopped on everything since January 2004. Other than being re-elected. In any case, it's only June 2005, 5 months after he was re-elected. If he
31 RJpieces : Let's not forget that he has YEARS left. 9/11 happened 9 months into Bush's presidency and it radically changed everything. Who knows what the future
32 Post contains images AA61Hvy : MD-90 yeah he didn't do ANYTHING with relations with Libya did he?
33 Post contains images Superfly : Oh Jesus! I guess you saved your GOP voter guide mailer from last November and typed one of there bullet points, huh?
34 Aa777flyer : I dont know about a lame duck, but he is and always was a dumb ass!
35 Seb146 : Yep! He is also using the terrorism threat as an excuse for everything. Is there really a threat anymore? Well, yes! Why? Because Osama bin Laden and
36 Jetjack74 : You were wait for this thread, weren't you? The entire process of Bush trying to secure nominees for his judicial and cabinet positions is what has s
37 TPASXM787 : What else should you expect?? I don't know why Bush insists on surrounding himself with these old school hacks. Cheney, Dumsfeld, the nomination of B
38 Jetjack74 : Not car-bombings, but the thousands upon thousands of bodies that are turning up in mass graves. The constant car bombings in Israel that Saddam was
39 Post contains links and images Oldeuropean : Wasn`t it at June 20th when CIA-Chief Porter Goss said, that he knows where bin Laden is! http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/06/20/goss.bin.laden/index.h
40 Alberchico : Terrorism is more than one man. Even if we catch him and torture him to our hearts content, it will still be mostly a symbolic victory.
41 Mir : A valid point. But the guy did plan out the deaths of close to 3,000 people, most of the Americans, on American soil. Forgetting about him is pretty
42 Jetjack74 : Nobody has forgotten about Osama Bin Laden. It's very easy for him to blend into the locals in in Waziristan. The region is so volatile, that Preside
43 Post contains links and images Mir : This guy pretty much has: "So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you." "Well, as
44 N766UA : I really don't think the original poster even knows what a lame duck is. Every president in their 2nd term is a lame duck: they can't be re-elected.
45 Post contains images TedTAce : Maybe he's a lame pterodactyl?
46 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Say this to the American voters. I see Mr. Bush again on board of an aircraft carrier with a "mission accomblished" banner behind him an his well kno
47 Post contains images N766UA : FEAR? Is that the Federal Egg Answering Room? Of course it has nothing to do with FEEBLE.
48 Jetjack74 : Yes Mir, you are very good at cherry-picking an article to spin it in your favour. You left out this part: But once we set out the policy and started
49 Post contains images FlyAUA :
50 Blackbird1331 : Why did he add the word duck?
51 Post contains images SFOMEX : I think you're right. Yet, ahead of him are one or two very important moments. IMHO, the most important moments of his presidency: the vacancies at t
52 MD-90 : Ignorant, no; brief, yes. I don't have all day for a.net. Mark my words though, we're not winning in Afghanistan.
53 Post contains images ANCFlyer : More spew from Lew Rockwell my Non-Voting A-Netter? That's for sure. And I see the bullshit in the Senate will escalate to unparalelled dimensions wh
54 Klaus : No, at this time we are not winning in Afghanistan! The massive pullout of US troops in order to fuel the Iraq invasion was one of the reasons, the un
55 FriendlySkies : Becoming?! He was a lame duck president before he even took office...
56 Alberchico : How so ?
57 Jetjack74 : And you gathered this intel from your last trip to Afghanistan I presume. Or were you quoting Mullah Omar? And what are you basing this hypothesis on
58 Alberchico : What ??? All the evidence points to the contrary............
59 MD-90 : What evidence?
60 Alberchico : All the media and the Afghan goverment itself..........
61 Post contains images Klaus : Wishful thinking and rose-coloured press conferences will certainly concentrate on the undeniable improvements relative to the former taleban rule esp
62 Basas : Europe is something most of us laugh at here so i guess it only fits.
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