MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15814 posts, RR: 50 Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 974 times:
Quoting Saintsman (Thread starter): Apparently African leaders have more important things to worry about than 275000 people who have had their homes bulldozed by Mugabe's henchmen.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 971 times:
Nothing coming out of Africa surprises me anymore.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 36 Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 955 times:
Quoting Saintsman (Thread starter): Apparently African leaders have more important things to worry about than 275000 people who have had their homes bulldozed by Mugabe's henchmen.
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 944 times:
Mugabe is leading his nation to ruin. True, they were colonized, but they were farmers and they knew what they were doing. Mugabe threw them off the lands, subdivided the farms, and gave them to his supporters, (that's what this all about), but now the new tenants do not know anything about farming. Guess what? People are starving and Mugabe is looking for aid. I know someone who lives there. I have lost touch because she lost her internet service. When you see him, yes, he will be dressed nicely and wear a broad smile, but most people are miserable. Even those who support him.
Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 36 Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 932 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5): I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.
Or maybe when NIBMAR doesn't work.
Or maybe when EU election observers wuss out.
Or maybe, just maybe, you might be able to dig up John Cecil Rhodes to straighten this mess up!
Wow, that "glass houses" thing kinda went over your head on that one, huh? Nice to know you Brits are doing something for one of your old colonies. But I forgot, we're the Imperialists, isn't that right?
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16001 posts, RR: 59 Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 927 times:
Nothing in Africa surprises me any more either. It's arguably a lost continent by and large.
And these naive organizers of Live8 want to throw more Western cash down the toilet into Africa. Bob Geldof is so incredibly naive. He actually thinks he's helping the poor in Africa. What a fool.
Meanwhile billions of African aid has been spirited away by corrupt African leaders into Western bank accounts. Much of the rest has been wasted.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
CaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 919 times:
Not to sound cold.. But I really don't give a shit about Zimbabwes homeless either.. I somehow suspect it will be my tax dollars going to take care of them however, because Zimbabwes neighbors have dropped the ball or passed the buck.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 917 times:
I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.
You're right, it's none of our business. Remember, we aren't the "world police."
You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15814 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5): I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.
The US is one of MANY countries that have busily ignored Africa's problems so don't even try to hijack this thread in that direction.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15814 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 912 times:
Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 6): Where's the UN? Maybe they'll write a really nasty letter to Mugabe telling him to stop.
Or fourteen nasty letters...
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10): You're right, it's none of our business. Remember, we aren't the "world police."
You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 902 times:
The US is one of MANY countries that have busily ignored Africa's problems so don't even try to hijack this thread in that direction.
Most countries haven't been trying to justify a war based on 'humanitarian grounds' for the last two years.
As for Live8, a pathetic, pointless attempt to get a bunch of no-hope Socialist Worker idiots and rebellious 16 year olds to try and make a point. Then again, this is Bob 'It Was A Lot Better When Women Were In The Kitchen' Geldof - the single most patronising, insulting, dangerous, idiotic, smug morons to every try to impress his own (rather vague) political point on a bunch of teenagers.
Instead of organising concerts that'll be hijacked by a bunch of Communist-wannabe Bush-haters, why not push for things that'll actually help Africans? Like ending Western farm subsidies? Or only giving governmental aid to governments that have a decent government? Better yet, why not run for political office, instead of trying to bring Edinburgh to a halt in a very dangerous manner? Twat.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8394 posts, RR: 47 Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 897 times:
Thanks for the laughs!
Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 6): Where's the UN? Maybe they'll write a really nasty letter to Mugabe telling him to stop.
The UN is only as good as its members... The UN did not oppose the war in Afghanistan, but I understand it's so convenient to forget about that.
Quoting Slider (Reply 7): Or maybe when EU election observers wuss out.
Yeah, right. How 'bout "Teheran 1979 Reloaded", then?
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10): You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 12): Haha. Good point. Anti-Americans bitch when Americans act, and when they don't. Ah well............
And you'll call everyone an "anti-American" and feel offended if we don't kiss up to your "greatest country on Earth" and its President, so yes, it's not even worth discussing. Pot, kettle, black.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 893 times:
And you'll call everyone an "anti-American" and feel offended if we don't kiss up to your "greatest country on Earth" and its President, so yes, it's not even worth discussing. Pot, kettle, black.
Nice of you to speak in generalities, and there is nothing hypocritical about my above comments.
That's due to certain people over-using the "anti-Americanism card". Whenever they reply to criticism aimed at the Bush admin, they at least insinuate the one criticising is not anti-Bush, but anti-American.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8394 posts, RR: 47 Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 866 times:
Quoting Slider (Reply 18): Big difference: Iran wasn't an American colony like Zimbabwe was to Britain. Hence, my Rhodes reference. I'm disappointed you didn't pick that up...
Well, being the British have about as much influence on Mugabe as the US had on the Iranians back in those days...
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 36 Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 858 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 20): Well, being the British have about as much influence on Mugabe as the US had on the Iranians back in those days...
Yes, but again, when criticism is levied against the US for not doing something that was originally started by the british and a Brit himself chimes in and pops off about it, I'm gonna get a bit ornery. Texas is rubbing off on me that way. Damn crumpet eaters.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12736 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 828 times:
I have no doubt that Blair would love to depose mad Bob, (Couple of battalions of troops could do it), but what about the aftermath, how could we possibly get this through the UN?
We'd get no basing help from SA, Mbeki etc are too busy cheering Bob.
I would remind some that the UK, with precise, targeted, co-operative use of limited military force, stopped a bad situation in Sierra Leone in 2000, turning much, much worse.
Just because you've never heard about it, does not mean it never happened.
The UK cut off support to the Whites in Rhodesia in the mid 60's, in turn, that government run by Ian Smith, declared UDI, as he knew the 'colonial masters' in London were going to demand voting equality as part of independence.
(About the time the US government finally started to ensure the same in it's own borders, took them long enough).
When the Smith regime finally ran out of steam, the UK supervised the transition to elections, the disarming of the insurgents.
But after that, it was up to the voters of what soon became Zimbabwe.
THat begs the question, if Mbeki and co cannot step up for this, what will they step up for?
If they cannot see beyond outdated politics, that bodes ill for everyone in Africa.
I agree with B777-236ER about Live8, put it this way, I'd have a lot more respect for it if Geldorf called loudly for Mugabe's head on a stick, ('jost give me his fockin' head').
And a few others out there too.
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 795 times:
It´s part of the "look east" policy that Mr Mugabe is implementing, basically
getting goods from China (damped leased Chinese built planes among other things). They complained about the competition from local street vendors and illegal gold mining, the Zim authorities took out the competition.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 785 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 22): I'd have a lot more respect for it if Geldorf called loudly for Mugabe's head on a stick, ('jost give me his fockin' head').
Precisely right- instead we're going to have a big concert, assuage our collective guilt instead of forcing the tougher but more responsible course of action.
25 GDB: Don't get me wrong, Live8's collective heart is in the right place, though arguably African poverty was on the UK political agenda before then, but to
26 JGPH1A: What is happening in Zimbabwe is almost as much Thabo Mbeki's fault as that fascist asshole Mugabe. Mbeki is so terrified of going against a fellow "s
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