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Africa Not Interested In Zimbabwe's Homeless  
User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Apparently African leaders have more important things to worry about than 275000 people who have had their homes bulldozed by Mugabe's henchmen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4618341.stm

What's gone wrong with Zimbabwe?

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Quoting Saintsman (Thread starter):
Apparently African leaders have more important things to worry about than 275000 people who have had their homes bulldozed by Mugabe's henchmen.

Are you surprised?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Nothing coming out of Africa surprises me anymore.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

Quoting Saintsman (Thread starter):
Apparently African leaders have more important things to worry about than 275000 people who have had their homes bulldozed by Mugabe's henchmen.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4618341.stm

What's gone wrong with Zimbabwe?

We got our own problems...

Americans are about to have their homes bulldozed by various governmental henchman for commercial development projects.


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Mugabe is leading his nation to ruin. True, they were colonized, but they were farmers and they knew what they were doing. Mugabe threw them off the lands, subdivided the farms, and gave them to his supporters, (that's what this all about), but now the new tenants do not know anything about farming. Guess what? People are starving and Mugabe is looking for aid. I know someone who lives there. I have lost touch because she lost her internet service. When you see him, yes, he will be dressed nicely and wear a broad smile, but most people are miserable. Even those who support him.


Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.

[Edited 2005-06-24 19:34:35]

User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Where's the UN? Maybe they'll write a really nasty letter to Mugabe telling him to stop.


Everyday you're alive is a good day.
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.

Or maybe when NIBMAR doesn't work.

Or maybe when EU election observers wuss out.

Or maybe, just maybe, you might be able to dig up John Cecil Rhodes to straighten this mess up!

Wow, that "glass houses" thing kinda went over your head on that one, huh? Nice to know you Brits are doing something for one of your old colonies. But I forgot, we're the Imperialists, isn't that right?


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Nothing in Africa surprises me any more either. It's arguably a lost continent by and large.

And these naive organizers of Live8 want to throw more Western cash down the toilet into Africa. Bob Geldof is so incredibly naive. He actually thinks he's helping the poor in Africa. What a fool.

Meanwhile billions of African aid has been spirited away by corrupt African leaders into Western bank accounts. Much of the rest has been wasted.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Not to sound cold.. But I really don't give a shit about Zimbabwes homeless either.. I somehow suspect it will be my tax dollars going to take care of them however, because Zimbabwes neighbors have dropped the ball or passed the buck.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.

You're right, it's none of our business. Remember, we aren't the "world police."  Wink

You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
I guess weapons of mass destruction brutal regimes are only a problem in certain situations. Or maybe locations.

The US is one of MANY countries that have busily ignored Africa's problems so don't even try to hijack this thread in that direction.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.

Haha. Good point. Anti-Americans bitch when Americans act, and when they don't. Ah well............



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17355 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 6):
Where's the UN? Maybe they'll write a really nasty letter to Mugabe telling him to stop.

Or fourteen nasty letters...

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
You're right, it's none of our business. Remember, we aren't the "world police."

You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.

Exactly. Gold star for you!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

The US is one of MANY countries that have busily ignored Africa's problems so don't even try to hijack this thread in that direction.

Most countries haven't been trying to justify a war based on 'humanitarian grounds' for the last two years.

As for Live8, a pathetic, pointless attempt to get a bunch of no-hope Socialist Worker idiots and rebellious 16 year olds to try and make a point. Then again, this is Bob 'It Was A Lot Better When Women Were In The Kitchen' Geldof - the single most patronising, insulting, dangerous, idiotic, smug morons to every try to impress his own (rather vague) political point on a bunch of teenagers.

Instead of organising concerts that'll be hijacked by a bunch of Communist-wannabe Bush-haters, why not push for things that'll actually help Africans? Like ending Western farm subsidies? Or only giving governmental aid to governments that have a decent government? Better yet, why not run for political office, instead of trying to bring Edinburgh to a halt in a very dangerous manner? Twat.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Thanks for the laughs!  rotfl 

Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 6):
Where's the UN? Maybe they'll write a really nasty letter to Mugabe telling him to stop.

The UN is only as good as its members... The UN did not oppose the war in Afghanistan, but I understand it's so convenient to forget about that.  sarcastic 

Quoting Slider (Reply 7):
Or maybe when EU election observers wuss out.

Yeah, right. How 'bout "Teheran 1979 Reloaded", then?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
You'd bitch about it no matter what we did, so it's not even worth discussing.



Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 12):
Haha. Good point. Anti-Americans bitch when Americans act, and when they don't. Ah well............

And you'll call everyone an "anti-American" and feel offended if we don't kiss up to your "greatest country on Earth" and its President, so yes, it's not even worth discussing. Pot, kettle, black.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

And you'll call everyone an "anti-American" and feel offended if we don't kiss up to your "greatest country on Earth" and its President, so yes, it's not even worth discussing. Pot, kettle, black.

Nice of you to speak in generalities, and there is nothing hypocritical about my above comments.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
there is nothing hypocritical about my above comments.

I never said there was. But your assumption that I criticised isn't correct either.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
Nice of you to speak in generalities

That's due to certain people over-using the "anti-Americanism card". Whenever they reply to criticism aimed at the Bush admin, they at least insinuate the one criticising is not anti-Bush, but anti-American.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Yeah, right. How 'bout "Teheran 1979 Reloaded", then?

Big difference: Iran wasn't an American colony like Zimbabwe was to Britain. Hence, my Rhodes reference. I'm disappointed you didn't pick that up...  Wink

Quoting Aloges (Reply 17):
That's due to certain people over-using the "anti-Americanism card".

Yeah, like your British buddy who drew that card first in this thread.

Pretty funny to hear the Brits talking about problems in Zimbabwe. Far, far too cruelly ironic.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Great T-Shirt seen on sale in South Africa.

Front : "ROB MUGABE!"

Back : "Before Mugabe robs you!"


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 18):
Big difference: Iran wasn't an American colony like Zimbabwe was to Britain. Hence, my Rhodes reference. I'm disappointed you didn't pick that up...

Well, being the British have about as much influence on Mugabe as the US had on the Iranians back in those days...  Wink



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 20):
Well, being the British have about as much influence on Mugabe as the US had on the Iranians back in those days...

Yes, but again, when criticism is levied against the US for not doing something that was originally started by the british and a Brit himself chimes in and pops off about it, I'm gonna get a bit ornery. Texas is rubbing off on me that way. Damn crumpet eaters.  Wink


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 78
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

I have no doubt that Blair would love to depose mad Bob, (Couple of battalions of troops could do it), but what about the aftermath, how could we possibly get this through the UN?
We'd get no basing help from SA, Mbeki etc are too busy cheering Bob.

I would remind some that the UK, with precise, targeted, co-operative use of limited military force, stopped a bad situation in Sierra Leone in 2000, turning much, much worse.
Just because you've never heard about it, does not mean it never happened.

The UK cut off support to the Whites in Rhodesia in the mid 60's, in turn, that government run by Ian Smith, declared UDI, as he knew the 'colonial masters' in London were going to demand voting equality as part of independence.
(About the time the US government finally started to ensure the same in it's own borders, took them long enough).

When the Smith regime finally ran out of steam, the UK supervised the transition to elections, the disarming of the insurgents.
But after that, it was up to the voters of what soon became Zimbabwe.

THat begs the question, if Mbeki and co cannot step up for this, what will they step up for?
If they cannot see beyond outdated politics, that bodes ill for everyone in Africa.

I agree with B777-236ER about Live8, put it this way, I'd have a lot more respect for it if Geldorf called loudly for Mugabe's head on a stick, ('jost give me his fockin' head').
And a few others out there too.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

It´s part of the "look east" policy that Mr Mugabe is implementing, basically
getting goods from China (damped leased Chinese built planes among other things). They complained about the competition from local street vendors and illegal gold mining, the Zim authorities took out the competition.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1060 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 22):
I'd have a lot more respect for it if Geldorf called loudly for Mugabe's head on a stick, ('jost give me his fockin' head').

Precisely right- instead we're going to have a big concert, assuage our collective guilt instead of forcing the tougher but more responsible course of action.


25 GDB : Don't get me wrong, Live8's collective heart is in the right place, though arguably African poverty was on the UK political agenda before then, but to
26 JGPH1A : What is happening in Zimbabwe is almost as much Thabo Mbeki's fault as that fascist asshole Mugabe. Mbeki is so terrified of going against a fellow "s
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