Delta717 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 455 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1833 times:
Being a homosexual, I understand that many people don't agree with my sexuality...esoecially with people who are so engorged in their religion and have their heads stuck up their asses that they can't see that their beliefs aren't changing anything.
However, by what means were the anti-gay views "violent?"
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
Quoting Delta717 (Reply 2):
However, by what means were the anti-gay views "violent?"
There is quite a lot which isn't covered by this article, including the way in which this group sends out squads into places like Manchester's Gay Village to proselytise and harass gay men and lesbians.
Their Jesus Bus is a regular Saturday night feature. Harangueing people who just want to go about their business and enjoy their weekend qualifies as violently homophobic to me.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8422 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1816 times:
Mr Green, the author of a book called The Sexual Dead-End, said it was a conviction of his Christian faith that homosexual activity is "sinful".
Well, that is what the Bible says...
But there's no excuse for the Fred Phelps of the world, and such abhorrent people ought to be shouted down by Christians themselves, since they do God such disservice pursuing their personal vendettas. But I don't know what Christian Voice is, so I can't comment on them.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
Quoting B757300 (Reply 5): Just goes to show that for the left that discrimination is okay as long as it is toward Christians. I bet if this group was Muslim the bank would never have said a word.
And for the right discrimination is just fine and dandy towards everyone.
Your "what ifs" fail to address the fact that this hate-filled organization is just that - a pack of bigots bent on harassing others. So spare us the old myth about how distancing oneself from a discriminatory organization like this hateful Christian group is discrimination. It doesn't pass the laugh test.
As far as your idiotic comment about the bank not saying a word if this group was Muslim, facts have a way of laughing you in the face. Banks all over Britain have shut down the accounts of right wing Muslim fundamentalist organizations.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12365 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1777 times:
If a group has a clear policy of hate, then a business has a right and indeed an obligation to not do business with them. In this case, this Co-op bank in the UK has a different social and small customer policy than other banks there and it is good to have that option. Problem is that if this was in the USA such a group could probably go to a small bank someplace with ownership that supports their views and open a legal account, under the cover of our free speech laws. However, if the group is found to be involved in violent acts or terrorism, then the USA government can seize their accounts and assets.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12735 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
They are about to find out one hard fact, they might have got 47,000 e-mails (many including death threats) to the BBC, in a failed attempt to stop them showing The Jerry Springer Opera (very late, with Multiple and frequent warnings about language).
But they did this by getting their numerous loppy ChristianFacist friends in the US to pitch in sending the e-mails, (I make no apologies for that title, if the US right wing can say 'IslamoFacist' this atheist can see no problem in also using it a label another intolerant, twisted, hate filled bunch, who just sooo want to turn the clock back several centuries).
In reality, this bunch are tiny, and thankfully treated with contempt by the vast majority of the population, trying this stuff on in this most secular of nations is futile.
Unlike their increasingly powerful counterparts across the pond, sadly.
As for mainstream Muslims, with their opposition to paying interest, they not only have their own banks but now the major UK ones also provide accounts to match thier beliefs.
Perhaps they got this through polite persuasion, a lesson for this bunch of wannabe fundies perhaps?
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8422 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 11): this atheist can see no problem in also using it a label another intolerant, twisted, hate filled bunch, who just sooo want to turn the clock back several centuries).
But I hope you won't mind it when I say that you're ignorant and don't understand what the majority of American Christians actually are like, then? You certainly sound like you're referring to most, if not all Christians in America.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1589 times:
Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 17): Its about time companies start standing up to these imbeciles who are a black eye to Christians and religions everywhere.
The Co-Operative Bank provides banking facilities for many charities, Christian organisations and churches of any denomination, and are chosen for this due to their ethical policies. It is part of the larger Co-Op group which includes a huge insurance and pension arm run on the same principles.
They won't lend to dictatorships or invest in companies who (for instance) manufacture arms and then sell them to companies with poor human rights records. Similarly they also promote fairtrade schemes and establishing credit unions.
I am pretty sure there are equivalent organisations in the USA, and they need both commendation and patronage. Making your money speak for you is a powerful tool for change.
There are longstanding links and the Co-Op does provide banking for some of the unions.
It started out as a retail business owned by its members, and in fact still is. It is not owned by any unions as such and never was. The co-operative movement evolved in the same parts of society which unions also came from, namely working class people organising themselves, but had distinctly different aims and purposes.
The original co-op shops were opened to bulk buy food and sell it at reasonable prices, and it all developed from there. Any profits are shared out to the members who hold share accounts. And the financial businesses were added later on, becoming hugely successful in their own right.
As it is a co-operative and owned by its members, it cannot ever be the subject of a takeover as there are not any shares in the traditional sense. Members hold a paid up share account, which can be redeemed at any time but not sold or transferred to anyone else. Some of the profits have gone into social projects in the past, such as recreational facilities built and maintained for public use.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7): I wish you people would get over your feelings that Christians in the US are under siege.
Paraphrasing the Daily Show:
Christians are under siege. They have been a long oppressed part of society. And anyone who loves equality longs for a day when Christians can worship openly in public, anywhere they wish. And perhaps maybe someday the time will be right for an openly Christian president. Or 43 of them. Consecutively.
Stop it with the "Christianity is under attack" stuff. It's really pointless.
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1555 times:
I think this is GREAT!! sure in all likelyhood there is 'another bank' that will gladly take the business. But for a business to make a stand like this commands my respect. I wish more business would put principal before profits.
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1547 times:
Certainly, deplorable, disgusting groups like this that seek to deprive and oppress the civil rights and liberties of a given group of people that have violated no logical (malum in se) law don't deserve the continued civil rights and liberties we grant them, but in our infinite benevolency and search for equality, we still allow them to spew their hate. Cheers to this bank for making life just a little harder for these whackos. And to those who claim that Christianity is unfairly treated, ponder this. I've never met an anti-gay Atheist. Have you?
25 Allstarflyer: I'm sick of this recurrent theme here in non-av and could do w/o it for at least a few days. Signed, 97% of Anet.
26 Adam: Oh man that is one crazy fucker! From WIKI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps Interesting man. adam
27 SFOMEX: This bank has every right to select its costumers (as long as is not against the law). The Voice organization has every right to look for another bank
28 N1120A: Another hit and run I see. Well, I suppose that is what one must do when they are filled with hatred, since the longer you talk, the more we break do
29 1MillionFlyer: Sign for yourself, and if you don't like the topic don't read it.
30 JpetekYXMD80: The fact that these people are 'Christians' (and i am using the term loosely) has absolutely NOTHING to do with their banning. It is an extremist org
31 Seb146: Why is it so difficult for Christians who are politically conservative to comprehend the fact that there are Christians who are politically liberal? W
32 MD11Engineer: Due to the same reason Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban donï¿½t understand that there are liberal Muslims aound. Two faces of the same co
33 Allstarflyer: Well, I did read it, nonetheless, and I'm always glad to read your encouraging posts. -R
34 UAL747: Well Allstarflyer, You and that presumably "97% of A.net", are going to have to deal. The gay rights movement is just beginning to gain momentum. Pre
35 Allstarflyer: Well, UAL747, my comments were more in the direction of just how tiresome the arguement can be after so many threads. But since you're at least the 2n
36 UAL747: So when your girlfriend is on the rag, do you reject the fact that she is to be seen as unfit and unclean? Do you just love to have some delicious po
37 MD11Engineer: I just wonder about one thing: The biblethumpers on A.net seem to hail all from the US. I haven't seen any European bible thumper in here lately (Leve
38 Planespotterx: We all kno these Christian fanatics are "Bankers" anyway lol
39 UAL747: We have what's called the Bible Belt here in the US. Usually protestant Southern Baptist, or other conservative christian religious sects. Small town
40 Allstarflyer: Uh, no, since the Scripture to which I usually refer is found in Romans 1. Been a hard one for gays to explain after reading that, pretty much no mat
41 MD11Engineer: The thing is that I've never seen such hatred or preaching of hatred from the Lutherans or Roman-Catholics (except maybe in some villages in upper Bav
42 UAL747: He's fairly correct. I think the issue was that during the times that the US was settled, the people who came here were people escaping religious per
43 Allstarflyer: If standing on what Scripture says is hatred, then that's unfortunate for the listener to draw that conclusion, especially because the Bible is all a
44 UAL747: Many people liked Mien Kampf and the Communist Manifesto as well, while other people saw it as hatred. Depends on what side your argument is on. Whil
45 MD11Engineer: I think the problem lies with the Puritan influence in the US. If you do a look back at British history, you'll find that Henry VIII split with the Ca
46 JpetekYXMD80: Maybe you should keep YOUR biblical truths to YOURself, deal? And once again, does not deal with the separation of church and state. I am not going t
47 Allstarflyer: If you knew one lick about Scripture and its Author, being a "gay Christian", you would know about its intent, its message of God's love and delivera
48 1MillionFlyer: Ever hear of Maslow's hierarchy? PLEASE! 6 versus admonishing Homosexuality 324 admonishing other things (eating pork, proper way to have slaves, mak
49 MD11Engineer: What f#cking "immorality"? If you feel offended, then feel free to close your eyes. A waste majority of people on this planet doesn't believe in your
50 N1120A: And the countless threads made from people on your side???? I guess those are ok. Well, SFOMEX is Mexican, Pope claims to be from the Vatican and the
51 N766UA: Christian my ass. No wonder people are trying to blow us up.
52 Allstarflyer: The 324 "other things" (if you'd like to clarify on those, too, that would be nice) you mention deal with God's direct law over Israel during their T
53 TedTAce: The bible speaks with VERY little authority, do I need to remind you of this: A Simple Question For Christians (by OzarkD9S Apr 29 2005 in Non Aviati
54 MD11Engineer: What god? There is no god. The bible was written by humans, with all their politics and predjudices. Give me a proof that the bible was indeed writte
55 Allstarflyer: Thanks, Ted, for giving me the opportunity twice now to enjoy the fallacies that are typical of your comments. You'll note, Ted, that those questions
56 TedTAce: Where and when? I already did one apology thread today why not make it two?
57 Allstarflyer: It does when the whole theme of the Book is predicated on faith. Hebrews 11:6 states that "he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He
58 SSTjumbo: Even in this thread, there are multiple agendas at play. As I constantly say, Jesus himself constantly invited the dregs of society to his dinners and
59 Allstarflyer: I honestly don't know much of the Christian Voice group outside of this thread, but, you're right, Jesus would be (and will be someday) blasting seve
60 TedTAce: Asf.. You are correct and I owe you an apology in that you did respond to those questions. I think part of the problem is that I got thrown in the po
61 Allstarflyer: I put slave in quotation marks because the analogy drawn by Diamond suggested that the servitude in Eph. 6:5 meant that we are Christ's slaves, which
62 1MillionFlyer: Allstar, That's cool you can interpret the Bible about slaves really meaning Christians. WHy can't you interpret the rest of the Bible? That is intere
63 WhiteHatter: It was not a statement of social policy, it was an action with regard to their ethical policy. The Co-Op Bank enforced its ethical policy by refusing
64 Senorcarnival: Can someone point to me in the Bible where it specifies that men shouldn't sodomize men?
65 MD11Engineer: Now to make sure that our Christian religious fascists don't cry that we are only targeting Christians: Here are the Muslim religious fascists at work
66 SSTjumbo: Whitehatter, their policy is their policy, and I'm not suggesting that they acted out of policy. In the paragraph I highlighted, the message is clear