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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5726 times:

...with 'Phantom Photo' a spray that creates a glare when photographed
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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3241950

A Pennsylvania company expects to make money from red-light scofflaws by selling them a spray-on product that prevents the camera from picking up license plate numbers.

Then again, according to a company official, that could increase sales, which was the case after Illinois officials recently banned PhotoBlocker.

"Right after they did that, our sales just picked up in Illinois," said Joe Scott, the company's marketing director. "For us, it was a marketing tool. By them making it illegal, they are admitting that this is a very effective tool."


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I don’t commend running red lights, nor do I shed a tear when Big Brother cant get you.

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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Here in Georgia effective July 1st, it will be illegal to use any sort of device, aftermarket bodywork or application to obscure your tag from red light cameras. This stuff's on the list supposedly, and a few shops around town have been selling tons of it.

User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Using this stuff, where it's illegal, should be a moving violation and at least 3 points. It is not only breaking the law, but has the potential to encourage people to run red lights even more than they normally would because of a false sense of security, further endangering other motorists. If this is the logic behind such legislation (and not the fact that the municipality would be losing revenue), then it should be enforced with at least the same regularity as seat belt enforcement. It could also be used by toll evaders, which would be considered an aid for stealing. Should be easy to test for, too. Just need a camera and flash.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
This stuff's on the list supposedly, and a few shops around town have been selling tons of it.

Please confirm that they are selling the same product. In the link it states:

The product, offered only on the Internet


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 2):
Using this stuff, where it's illegal, should be a moving violation and at least 3 points. It is not only breaking the law, but has the potential to encourage people to run red lights even more than they normally would because of a false sense of security, further endangering other motorists. If this is the logic behind such legislation (and not the fact that the municipality would be losing revenue), then it should be enforced with at least the same regularity as seat belt enforcement. It could also be used by toll evaders, which would be considered an aid for stealing. Should be easy to test for, too. Just need a camera and flash.

And anyone who breaks the law should be burnt to death.

Signed,
NWA742.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7507 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
A Pennsylvania company expects to make money from red-light scofflaws by selling them a spray-on product that prevents the camera from picking up license plate numbers.

I wonder if this company is located anywhere near Philadelphia?

I say that because the 120 day grace period for the newly installed red-light cameras at Roosevelt Blvd. & Red Lion Road (US 1 & Route 63 near PNE) expired last week. Now if you're photographed running a red light at that intersection; a ticket w/a $100 fine will be mailed to you.

That being said, many Delaware Valley motorists might be stocking up on ordering this stuff.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13940 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

A German TV station tried this stuff out in cooperation with the leading manufacturer for speed cameras. The stuff didn't work and is additionally illegal.

Jan


User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2186 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

Ill order just in case....

those safety nazis have lowered the limits in Mexico city, to what I consider insane levels...



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5603 times:

At my local Corvette/Camaro shop, they sell this neat little plastic cover for your license plate...looks like a harmless clear protective cover, but when the plate is viewed from extreme angles (akin to what a camera would see), it becomes completely blurred out...a good passive device if I do say so myself. Works better for all the toll roads in Central Florida...cameras will never see your plate Big grinD

http://www.ecklerscamaro.com/product...d=GD30RS792VC98JM3C1S9G1KDLDD4DH75

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 2):

Please confirm that they are selling the same product. In the link it states:

The product, offered only on the Internet

These stores could have bought it from them and then resold the product.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7438 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5570 times:
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As I understand it, the product is legit, and based in UK. They aired something about it on cbs880news last week in NY.

However, the quick quip also stated that the bobbies are getting beyond the spray by using infrared with their cameras. So they are always a step ahead.



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

I have heard of this from people on the street. Trust me it works.I have already one on its way..............  Big grin Big grin Big grin


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User currently offlineCurtisMan From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1002 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Forget about hiding anything. Obey the law and keep yourself and everyone else safe!!


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

This issue is the classic "free ham for a Jew" moral quandary for me.

I know as do many others that traffic enforcement is corrupt and rotted to the core. We all know that 'safety' is just an excuse for 'money'.

Isn't it interesting how the red light cameras always appear at the most busy intersections?

I have yet to EVER see one installed at a low volume but risky (i.e. curved or blind) intersection.

And I'm sure that more than one red light camera came after some traffic engineers intentionally 'shortened' the time of the yellow lights, thereby artificially creating a 'red light' running crisis to foster public support for them.

So any chance to [legally] fight those legalized shakedowns, I'd be all for.

On the other hand, equipping your car to intentionally evade paying tolls or intentionally running red lights and driving in an unsafe manner, that's just as dishonorable and despiccable as the people who installed the red lights in the first place.

So the question that I guess needs to be asked:

WHY are you intent on shielding yourself?

Are you looking to fight corruption?

Or are you simply thumbing your nose at the law?

If you answered yes to the latter, then shame on you.

edited for spelling

[Edited 2005-06-28 02:18:40]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32570 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

I really don't think people aren't buying these things to run red lights, they are buying them to hide themselves from the cameras in the case they do run one accidently.

Luckily, cameras at stop lights have been outlawed in Miami-Dade County. I think the concept is ridiculous.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3599 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

How about just putting your license plate on the front of your car instead of the rear? I know that's legal in a lot of places as long as its in plain view.

User currently offlineIFLYMCO From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 482 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 14):
How about just putting your license plate on the front of your car instead of the rear? I know that's legal in a lot of places as long as its in plain view

Really? Never heard of this..Is it legal in the US?



Now it should be "IFLYDCA"
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting IFLYMCO (Reply 15):
Is it legal in the US?

It varies by state. Here in New Mexico, the plate must be mounted on the rear of the vehicle.


User currently offlinePilotsmoe From United States of America, joined May 2005, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5473 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Luckily, cameras at stop lights have been outlawed in Miami-Dade County.

They are illegal in NJ, too


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 14):
How about just putting your license plate on the front of your car instead of the rear? I know that's legal in a lot of places as long as its in plain view.

Riding around in the US without a rear tag, you’ll see flashing red/blue lights in your rear view and have a chat with someone with a badge.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 12):
And I'm sure that more than one red light camera came after some traffic engineers intentionally 'shortened' the time of the yellow lights, thereby artificially creating a 'red light' running crisis to foster public support for them.

IIRC, there was a big scandel from one city artificially shortening the yellow light durations to get more tickets....20/20 did a big expose on it, apparently they had bagged alot of people unfairley. I hate the systems anyways, you don't see too many of them here in FL.

DeltaGuy


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5445 times:
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Quoting CurtisMan (Reply 11):
Forget about hiding anything. Obey the law and keep yourself and everyone else safe!!

If I hauled my motorcycle to a stop every time I saw yellow, I'd be dead by now.

When you've got an idiot riding your ass and talking on a cellphone, it's often better to push the yellow a bit. People have absolutely NO idea just how quickly motorcycles can stop.


2H4





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User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
nor do I shed a tear when Big Brother cant get you.

Nor do I shed a tear for those stupid enough to take risks in running red lights. Unfortunately, it's another inoccent party who's also affected.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
a good passive device if I do say so myself

Pity it also doesn't also safely deflect cars that you are about to run into !

Quoting CurtisMan (Reply 11):
Forget about hiding anything. Obey the law and keep yourself and everyone else safe!!

Agree.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
case they do run one accidently.

Yes, sorry I killed the occupants of the other car - it was an accident. I couldn't forsee that running an amber or red light would have caused this.



By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 20):
People have absolutely NO idea just how quickly motorcycles can stop.

That's if they even know they are there in the first place.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5430 times:
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 22):
That's if they even know they are there in the first place.



Yeah, no kidding...

Reminds me of a past discussion here about loud pipes. Well, I just had mine cored out to make them about 50% louder with some serious bass.

Surprise surprise...cars notice me now, and actually give me room...

 biggrin 


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User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
I don�t commend running red lights, nor do I shed a tear when Big Brother cant get you.

Well, let's see whose talking when you are hit by someone who ran a red light and both of you are in the hospital in critical condition on the verge of death? The red light is not a joke, and treating it like one is immature and stupid. I might sound harsh, but I have known people who have been killed by running a red light.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 20):
If I hauled my motorcycle to a stop every time I saw yellow, I'd be dead by now.

When you've got an idiot riding your ass and talking on a cellphone, it's often better to push the yellow a bit. People have absolutely NO idea just how quickly motorcycles can stop.

Then why are you riding on one? Big grin Motorcycles aren't exactly the safest things in a the world. A child's father at school had his arm and leg amputated because he wiped out on a turn on the highway.


25 777ER : In new zealand some shops also sell the cans but also sell special plastic plate covers that also does the same job
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Biggest cause of accidents at intersections are the assholes that run red lights. 'Nuf Said. I know of NO state that allows a plate only on the Front
27 57AZ : Well said. Tucson only has a few red light cameras which are placed at the intersections with the highest number of traffic collisions. In most state
28 Post contains images Gordonsmall : Stuff like this has been available for many years, I first started using it on my bike about 3 years ago and have continued to use it ever since on my
29 PHLBOS : I believe that every state mandates a rear-mounted license plate. It's the front plate requirement that varies from state-to-state. However, many veh
30 Post contains images FlyAUA : Ok so let me try to get this straight... So you spend money on something to prevent you from spending money if you get a ticket Why not stick to the s
31 Avt007 : "Wonderful stuff, but only if used responsibly! " Like 160 mph on local roads? If thats your definition of responsible, then pardon me if I don't take
32 Post contains images FlyAUA : I'm with you on this one. I lost a best friend because of somebody breaking the road laws! Nothing will bring that back again. This spray is just as
33 Post contains images Jamie757 : I've got an idea, try approaching them a bit slower so that if the lights do change on you, you've got a bit more space to stop. Here in the U.K. we
34 Post contains images 2H4 : I've got an idea, too. Try taking a physics class. Giving myself "a bit more space to stop" won't make the tailgating cellphone driver behind me pay
35 Post contains images FlyAUA : If you are driving 4mph below the limit in urban areas how can you possibly find it difficult to stop when a light turns yellow? I am asking because
36 MaverickM11 : "And anyone who breaks the law should be burnt to death." There is no "right" or "wrong". How can you judge someone based merely on the fact that they
37 2H4 : I don't find it difficult to stop when a light turns yellow. I simply refuse to slam on my brakes when someone is tailgating me. I just don't have an
38 FlyAUA : Yep, that's also what I do. But I've never had to cross a red light because of somebody tailgating me I will add. When not speeding, one always has e
39 MaverickM11 : Or died.
40 ShyFlyer : That is exactly what I though when ABQ began istalling these red light cameras. Sure you could ask (or demand) to have the person you lent the car to
41 KaiGywer : MN requires plates in front and back, with unobstructed tabs on both plates. Any kind of cover is illegal. MS 169.79: Subd. 7. Plate fastened and vis
42 Soku39 : Way to go Kai, no wonder so many people get annoyed with cops. So pompous, you don't like it therefore.... No disrespect on the serious stuff, but dea
43 2H4 : Oh, I WILL give you the safety speech, there, chief....because the end result is FACT. I'm curious...how long have you been riding motorcycles? A num
44 57AZ : In general, I do not enter the traffic intersection once the signal goes yellow unless there is some factor that would prevent me from safely stopping
45 Jamie757 : I did take a Nuffield A-Level Physics course a while back, so I do have a fair idea of the laws of motion and momentum. I appreciate your concerns an
46 Post contains images 2H4 : I see your point, but I don't think lowering my speed from a speed that's already below the posted speed limit will have much of an effect. When you
47 Jamie757 : I'm not talking walking pace or anything silly here, I'm just talking a couple of MPH, it's surprising just how much difference it can make to your s
48 FlyVirgin744 : Traffic engineers and cops generally do not get along. Plus the engineers usually don't see the money generated, the cops do. There is certain protoc
49 KaiGywer : It's in the law. I don't like having people on Harleys (or cars/trucks with modified exhaust) drive by my house at night. Revving their engines to ma
50 Post contains images ShyFlyer : A cop on every street corner would do wonders, not just for traffic violations. But, there is the age old issue of money. An officer needs to be paid
51 N766UA : Never heard that one. Here in Ohio we must have front and rear plates. In WV, PA, and MI they must have rear plates. Never heard of not requiring a r
52 SouthwestMDW : Illinois requires front and rear plates as well. My mother got a ticket for driving her car with only a rear plate.
53 Cadet985 : It's about time something was done there. I've lived 3 blocks from there for 10 years, and I've lost count of how many friends and family have been i
54 SATX : This is quite frankly the first time I can remember agreeing with an entire post of yours. Is hell freezing over? Spooky.
55 Post contains images Avt007 : Two sincere and semi -unrelated bits of advice for fellow riders- take a riders training course, as advanced as you can get. The lessons I learned the
56 PHLBOS : With rental cars, there's enough of a paper and computer trail to find out who was actually driving the vehicle at the time of the incident. The driv
57 Superfly : Not sure about that. It took me almost a year to contest a ticket I got for crossing the Bay Bridge without paying. Funny thing is, that it was a 200
58 2H4 : Ahhh...see, most of the speed limits in town where I live are 30-40mph....so they're pretty slow to begin with. And honestly, stopping distance is ra
59 PHLBOS : That sounds more like an EZPass (or the CA equivalent) toll evasion accusation issue rather than a running red light charge, nonetheless I see where
60 Superfly : True. This was Enterprise and I would NEVER spend my money renting from them. I only rent from Budget or Rent-A-Wreck. The previous year drove a rent
61 KaiGywer : Then I don't mind it. Good to see that not everyone driving a Harley is an ass (I still believe most are though...lol). I am just tired of people thi
62 Post contains images Theredbaron : Good point !!!
63 Post contains images 2H4 : Me, riding a Harley? You take that back! 2H4
64 Post contains images KaiGywer : hehe, so you just have loud exhaust on a rice cooker? lol Now I don't mind anymore, as yours 50% louder is probably still more quiet than a stock HD
65 Post contains images 2H4 : Pasta cooker, actually... 2H4
66 Sprout5199 : If you need something to stop you from getting a ticket for running a red light, don't worry, the police will get your name someday. Most likely by pi
67 Post contains images KaiGywer : Now THAT sound I don't mind being louder... Me? Hypocritical? Noooo...
68 Post contains images 2H4 : Oh man...you should hear it when you're off the throttle, coasting into a turn, with the backpressure crackling and popping. Who needs Ipods? 2H4
69 TEBguy : In the US, all states require a rear tag, some require a front tag in addtition to the rear tag. (Personally, i think the front tag is stupid & ruins
70 Itsjustme : I don't agree with the red light cameras but here in CA they've been proven to have a positive effect on reducing the number of traffic collisions at
71 Workbench : Technically if you get a ticket from one of those "photo machines" you can throw it away. Legally it would never stand up. When an officer issues you
72 Itsjustme : Technically if you get a ticket from one of those "photo machines" you can throw it away. Legally it would never stand up. To the contrary Workbench.
73 LOT767-300ER : I will say that this product DOES work. I got a ticket for not stopping at a red light completely to make a right turn in Chicago at 2am in the mornin
74 57AZ : Under California law, temporary tags are good only until permanent tags are received by the vehicle owner or six months have passed from the date of i
75 Saxman66 : Running red lights is one of the most dangerous things you can do. Having radar detectors is one thing, as long as you drive at a reasonable speed, no
76 57AZ : Having a radar detector is also illegal in some states or municipalities. Also, it does no good if the police are using laser. Under US law, use of r
77 BHXFAOTIPYYC : I think there are about 12 mobile radar units in the whole of Portugal, so the likehood of getting caught for speeding is pretty low. Road signs are j
78 Post contains images Gordonsmall : Avt007, I should point out that my last comment in my post was supposed to be very sarcastic. As you'll see from my reply to this post: (http://www.ai
79 DLKAPA : It can only work if the red light camera uses a flash. If it doesn't it's a complete waste of money.
80 BHXFAOTIPYYC : I understand that plan B in the UK for speed cameras is as follows: Turn the cameras around and photograph the driver. Same technology they use at air
81 B744F : Please don't throw around the words technically and legally if you really have no idea what you're talking about... and keep those temp tags on, you
82 Lijnden : Be aware, be very aware... We cannot add anything either. We will intervene with a crime. Cameras 'fighting traffic crime' are very widespread placed
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