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Homosexuality And Aviation: Just A Question...  
User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 31
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

I know I'll get flamed for posting this, but here it goes...  flamed 

Foreword: I don't want this to become yet another gay/anti-gay bashing thread. There have been more than enough, and if you feel the need for a flame war, go here and start your own thread.

That said, I'll proceed with my post:

When I started as airline res agent, we had this know-it-all (but really nice) supervisor. This was our first holiday in the job, and naturally work was slow, so we spent a long time chatting about just any subject. This supervisor was telling us about a friend of his that was going to join the team, when he said, "You wanna know something? He is homosexual." After seeing the "Really?!  Wow! " look in our faces, he went on: "And you know, Mr. XXX (the res manager)? Well, he is also gay." And he went on with a list of employees (mostly management) that were gay. At that time we were recently-graduated young people who knew nothing about the outside world, and in our limited views, the topic of homosexuality was still taboo. So all this came as a surprise to us, and even more when he finished, "Oh, come on. In U.S. airlines, any of them, 3 out of 4 employees are gay."

Time has gone by, and my view of the world is not as limited as it used to be. But the discussions here somehow reminded me of that conversation. I know that my supervisor had a tendency to exaggerate a bit (and if you happen to be reading this, please don't be offended by the truth  Wink ), but I still wonder:

Was he right? Is homosexuality that common among airline employees?

Again, this comes out of simple curiosity. While I am not homosexual, I respect gay people and have absolutely nothing against them.

Your (civilized, please!) comments are welcome.


What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

I don't think there are any more than in any other career choice. It's just that the *perceived* promiscuity of airline employees, especially cabin crews, probably highlights the openness of sexuality.

redngold



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User currently offlineTrappedInMKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Just look at the shape of a CRJ-200, and you have your answer.

And no, I'm not just trying to be flip.


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
Was he right? Is homosexuality that common among airline employees?

Well at Austrian Airlines, AT LEAST three-quarters of my colleagues were gay so yes I believe this is true. I don't know what the connection is between homosexuality and aviation but there seems to be one. Even at university, my course had the highest proportion of gay people in it!!! From just 30 people, 8 were homosexuals. That's 27%... thus, much higher than the 12% that occurs naturally in the human population.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Who cares? What does it matter who has sex with whom?

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 4):
Who cares? What does it matter who has sex with whom?

You're right... what you do in your bed is nobody elses business  thumbsup 

I think he was just asking the question out of curiousity  Wink



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Curiousity? Why is it any of his business who's banging whom? What difference does it make, at all, what the proportion of straight/gay/bi people in aviation?

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

C'mon people. Lighten up. No need to get so defensive. He already made it clear that he's not taking any chops at gay people. He's simply asking what its it about that particular industry that makes such a relatively high number of gay people gravitate to it.

A perfectly legitimate question as far as I'm concerned.

I have my own ideas and speculation. But I'll keep those views private. For now.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
C'mon people. Lighten up. No need to get so defensive. He already made it clear that he's not taking any chops at gay people. He's simply asking what its it about that particular industry that makes such a relatively high number of gay people gravitate to it.

But who cares? I think it's quite pathetic to spend your time wondering why certain professions (apparently) have different proportions of sexualities.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4756 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
C'mon people. Lighten up. No need to get so defensive. He already made it clear that he's not taking any chops at gay people. He's simply asking what its it about that particular industry that makes such a relatively high number of gay people gravitate to it.

Thanks, you got my point. My only objection is, I'm a girl!  cutie  Big grin



What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 5):
he



Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
He



Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 9):
My only objection is, I'm a girl!

 biggrin   rotfl 



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

How is this thread any more offensive than asking-say:

Why do black people seem to like KFC and Popeyes more than whites?

What is it about low rider cars that Latinos love?

What is it about Wal-Mart and Moon Pies that rural white folks like?

The point is that many, if not most stereotypes are not without some roots in fact. And I fail to see any harm in asking WHY.


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3809 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2473 times:




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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
Is homosexuality that common among airline employees?

IMHO it depends on which side of the cockpit door you are on. When it comes to men, yes there are some in the front, but damn there are a LOT in the back!!

Quoting Redngold (Reply 1):
I don't think there are any more than in any other career choice.

ROFLMAO!! You mustn't have flown with too many male crews did you?

Now My Disclaimer: I grew up (teen years) next door to a Male purser for PAA and VERY GAY needless to say, I got to know a lot of his friends because Purser boy always had a hot female roomates I was always drooling over. I eventually got one  Wink That being said I met one straight guy in college who is currently working as a purser for ... a major operator... and he's very happily married. So, out of 100's of male FA's I PERSONALLY know ONE straight one!!
I never met a Lesbian FA (one who was bi/pref men), but I'm sure there are some.
In my earlier upbringing before I lived next door to purser boy, I lived next door to a PAA Captain. Very conservative, very married with 3 Daughters. I didn't know many other pilots personally (one friend from flight school), but they are all straight.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

I've often wondered what the link is between Aviation and being homosexual. It seems that there are a lot of us that are gay and like aviation. I have seriously wondered why this is. But, I can't really find a reason.

Do any of you have a lot of flying dreams? I dream about flying all the time. Usually it's self-levetation, not in a plane, but I do have dreams of planes as well. The flying sensation is one recurring dream that I have. I also dream a TON about water, lakes, the ocean, and flying over them.

Anyway, the link between all these things and homosexuality is apparent, but why?

I also show horses english style. And there are a TON of homosexuals in that industry. In fact, Carson from "Queer Eye" rides Saddlebreds like I do. Strange indeed.

UAL


User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Cabin crew are often gay because typically gay men are more likely to be overly friendly/ inviting and have great attention to detail. In my biased opinion, it's in our genes! Straight American men aren't usually the most warm and inviting nor do they stress on the details of presentation like gay guys do. It's just our culture... it's not emphasized in models of masculinity in American culture to be overly outgoing nor pay attention to presentation standards.

Still to this day the ideal of American masculinity echoes views from the past of the Marlboro man riding on a horse into the sunset.

my two cents...
FA4UA



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Where there are airplanes, there are gays.

Gay men typically do not have children. Hence, they generally have more disposable income and more free time. Therefore – more travel.


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 3):
Well at Austrian Airlines, AT LEAST three-quarters of my colleagues were gay so yes I believe this is true. I don't know what the connection is between homosexuality and aviation but there seems to be one.



Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 16):

Holy Hell! Is it just guys?

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 16):
Gay men typically do not have children. Hence, they generally have more disposable income and more free time. Therefore – more travel.

So Uncle Sam doesn't take 1/3 of your paycheck if you aren't married?



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 17):
Holy Hell! Is it just guys?

My OBSERVATION, yes.

Reality.. I hope there are at least a FEW lesbians out there  Wink


User currently offlineKyleLosAngeles From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 214 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 1):
I don't think there are any more than in any other career choice. It's just that the *perceived* promiscuity of airline employees, especially cabin crews, probably highlights the openness of sexuality.

redngold

Great. Leave it to St. Redngold to suggest that gayness is a byproduct of any situation where promiscuity exists.

She cannot make a direct comment, it's gotta be backhanded.

And now she'll deny it was her intent and complain that she is being "personally attacked" for her beliefs.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

I agree. What a truly ignorant comment, Redngold!


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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Well at least I didn't have to point it out this time.  Smile Smile


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Topic starter:

Homosexuality And Aviation: Just A Question

Your Question: Is homosexuality that common among airline employees?

My Answer: Yes.

Thank you.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Everybody in every workplace is doin’ everybody else. It’s been that way since the beginning of time, and it will be like that ‘till the end of time. Look how much time we spend around co-workers. For better or worse.

For some reason where there are airplanes, there are gays. I mention in my reply #16:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 16):
Gay men typically do not have children. Hence, they generally have more disposable income and more free time. Therefore – more travel.



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 17):
So Uncle Sam doesn't take 1/3 of your paycheck if you aren't married?

Uncle Sam takes about half of my $$$. But taxes and the ‘marriage penalty’ plus issues of civil unions getting shafted are another thread…

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
While I am not homosexual, I respect gay people and have absolutely nothing against them.

Same here ~ social/political issues that are near and dear to homosexuals are a staunch ally of mine. Why? For starters, those stances are better for society.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
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Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
Reality.. I hope there are at least a FEW lesbians out there

Absolutely, but most of them are mechanics. (There's a reason for the stereotype jokes about lesbians and power tools!) I have 3 lesbian friends over at UA's maintenance base at SFO.



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25 FlyAUA : No, I just mean that when only considering the men, that is the case. We have a fair split bewteen male/female flight attendants but i see the trend
26 HAWK21M : I've seen a few in my Airline. regds MEL
27 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Mmmh... Now that I think about it, the gay men I've met tend to be more friendly and considerate... so it would make sense for them to look for a job
28 Post contains images FlyAUA : Are you trying to say that's all we're good for!?!? Now I am offended!!!
29 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Well, you're also good as hairstylists (Just kidding... no offense please! )
30 Post contains images PanAm330 : Ah, at least the gay men don't have to fix the planes- it's too dirty . We're good for passing out the food in a nice clean environment . As for the
31 Post contains images FlyAUA : I can really picture a gay man refusing to do that because it's too dirty
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