AirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2342 times:
Benny Hinn.. an "evangelist" pastor known for "faith healing" and other generally questionable shows designed to screw people out of their hard earned money got his own in Lagos Nigeria recently.
When I lived in Orlando, he still had his headquarters there in the Rosemont suburb. He was a sleazeball back then. He made a big deal about people giving him all their earthly possessions in exchange for "God's gift of healing". When Jim Philips, a local radio commentator called him on the spot and suggested that he go down to Arnold Palmer (a local children's hospital) and heal a child he didn't know right then and there and he (Jim) would give him (Benny) $100,000 cash. Funny... Hinn never went for it.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2106 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1): And people question why I abhor organized religion and the bible???
Benny Hinn, being a corrupt televangelist, bears no relation to "organized religion", and even less so the Bible (How on earth did you improvise that connection?). Neither the mainstream of organized religion (or heck, even the fringes) would support this crook, and certainly nothing in the Bible does so. So your indiscriminate anti-religious rhetoric, as usual, is empty.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 3): (How on earth did you improvise that connection?)
I'll conceede that 'normal' thumpers drop Benny at the mere mention of his name. I'll also conceed that your TYPICAL church and church goers are 'decent enough people'.
BUT: Benny "preaches gods word" so as much as 'normal christians abhor him' he's why people like me abhor the bible and the church.
Do I need to bring up Jim Baker and Jerry 'the douchebag' Falwell too? How Many TBN's and other religious broadcasts do we need?
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2106 posts, RR: 23 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
your moderate retraction is appreciated, but you're still not making sense.
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4): BUT: Benny "preaches gods word" so as much as 'normal christians abhor him' he's why people like me abhor the bible and the church.
Do I need to bring up Jim Baker and Jerry 'the douchebag' Falwell too? How Many TBN's and other religious broadcasts do we need?
None of whom, once again, represent mainstream Christianity, and none of whom can be blamed on the Bible. So you do'nt like televangelists - who does? I don't, and they are not a reflection on mainstream organized religion. Your statement is ill-founded and offensive. You've yet to explain how corrupt televangelists reflect poorly on the Bible OR organized religion as a whole.
Think about it: Hating the bible or the Church because you don't like corrupt TV preachers would be analogous to me saying, for instance, that I abhor the constitution or the people of the United States because in it there exist corrupt politicians. Your generalization is just as irrational and offensive as this one.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
1st I have never said I 'hate' the people.. Abhor is close, but not quite. I do not HATE anyone!! My intention was to aim at the book, and the churches who take money every Sunday and do nothing of consequence with it (building bigger churches is not consequential to me).
You have churches out there feeding the homeless, and doing other good community deeds, but while they are in the 'majority' it's not by much.
So let me get this straight.. because I have chosen to not like the bible and chruches for only the reasons I have cited so far I'm offending you? I'm sorry that you are so easily offended. What about the child molestors that were part of the "Mainstream church" What about the COVER UP of the child molestors by the "Mainstream chruch"? Please don't tell me you weren't offended by those things!!!
Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 5): You've yet to explain how corrupt televangelists reflect poorly on the Bible OR organized religion as a whole.
Are you paying attention to yourself? Re-read this statment.. it answers itself...Now if the question were "explain how corrupt televangelists have to do with the good works in the Bible OR organized religion that are not self serving: there is not a 'good answer' to that other then they CLAIM to be of the same ilk. But your question as originally posed is answered in itself, if you still don't see it; here are some other questions that might help:
Why do rednecks reflect poorly on Southerners?
Why do KKK members reflect poorly on Southerners?
Why do people who steal reflect poorly on the race they are a member of?
Why do people who are cheap reflect poorly on a certain religion or nationality?
Why do Child Molestors who use the internet to ensnare children reflect poorly on internet users?
Why do people who take bribes and payoffs reflect poorly on the governmet?
Why do people who drive slowly in South Florida with plates that have "Je me souviens" reflect poorly on Canadians???
It's not that all these groups are bad in any way shape or form it's just that the members putting the groups in the public eye do.
As far as the bible itself..It's pretty good history..but it's just a book to me, if you find that offensive, I'm sorry.
DC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2264 times:
He who is with out sin cast the first stone !!! Benny is simply and faithfully doing gods work, no different than our savior George W. Bush ... Perhaps a few cruise missiles will put the fear of god into these pagans ....
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4): BUT: Benny "preaches gods word" so as much as 'normal christians abhor him' he's why people like me abhor the bible and the church.
Ever see him on TV? He does almost no preaching, instead singing asinine praise songs with no content and "healing" people. He hardly ever even mentions any Bible verses, let alone teach people the Word. He's more interested in being on televison and shouting platitudes to adoring crowds. I don't respect him whatsoever.
1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2234 times:
Just like Rod Parsley...that guy and his Falcon 20, and several other planes he has bought and sold all paid for with CASH from poor little ladies, very sad.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2228 times:
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 9): Just like Rod Parsley...that guy and his Falcon 20, and several other planes he has bought and sold all paid for with CASH from poor little ladies, very sad.
You know this raises another point for me Jean...
How many 'repulsed/offended' members of your church bailed any of these folks who were taken for a ride out?
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2206 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 8):
Ever see him on TV? He does almost no preaching, instead singing asinine praise songs with no content and "healing" people. He hardly ever even mentions any Bible verses, let alone teach people the Word. He's more interested in being on televison and shouting platitudes to adoring crowds. I don't respect him whatsoever.
However watching his performances on TV are worth it just for the laughs at how stupid and corny they are...if Im ever in need of a quick laugh, watching a few minutes of his "healing" is guaranteed to bring it!
Greg
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MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8418 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
True, he is pretty comical. I've watched a few segments of some of his crusades, just for laughs.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
Good one, AsstChiefMark! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who jokingly intertwines Benny Hinn with Benny Hill.
In all seriousness though, Benny Hinn has critics even within the Christian community as well as those outside.
A few years ago, the NBC series Dateline had a couple of reporters attend 2 of his crusades: the first time they attended in cognito (they didn't let on that they were reporters); the second time they attended as reporters. As a result, the reporters got an abbreviated tour of the crusade facilities during their second visit.
One would think that if people were being genuinely healed at these crusades, the ministry organization would want to have secular sources (doubting Thomases) see for themselves the devine healings or have independent medical personnel confirm such actions. Strangely enough, the reporters were not allowed to interview many attendees that were healed nor go behind the scenes of the crusade event.
One person they did get a chance to interview following the crusade later stated that she wasn't physically healed at the event and felt betrayed.
One more damaging piece of evidence revealed in the Dateline story was when Benny Hinn's organization tried to apply for ECFA certification. ECFA, which stands for the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, is a watchdog group set up jointly by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Focus on the Family that holds other ministry organizations accountable regarding their use of funds collected from donations. To make a long story short, ECFA flatly rejected Benny Hinn's application for certification.
Many Christians after seeing that investigative report stopped supporting his ministry. The more recent report in Nigeria only adds fuel to the fire regarding Benny Hinn's credibility.
Personally, I do believe in devine healing; but I also believe that one should see a doctor and/or take the necessary medications and precautions as well to treat the ailments. Can God provide a healing that goes beyond medical means? Absolutely. But one does not have to go to a big crusade just to get a healing. One can simply and earnestly seek the Lord in prayer along with a couple of trusted friends, relatives, and/or local clergy as prayer partners. A before and after healing visit to the doctors would be convincing than some showmanship yahoo talking about it at a crusade. Just keep in mind, that just because God doesn't provide that seeked physical healing that one is seeking; it does not, by any means, mean that you're out of His will. Keep in mind that the Apostle Paul did not have the thorn on his flesh removed despite his pleading (see 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 for the full text).
In closing, not all evengelical Christians are like Benny Hinn nor follow him.
[Edited 2005-06-28 17:50:51]
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Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2124 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4): BUT: Benny "preaches gods word" so as much as 'normal christians abhor him' he's why people like me abhor the bible and the church.
A sad truth... many people get turned off to Christianity when they see frauds like this on t.v. or elsewhere. I'd just say you have to do some soul searching when searching for the true gospel. No, I'm not trying to convert you TedTAce, I'm just making my own observations. As far as the church I belong too, I believe in the gospel that is taught, but ultimately, it is my decision to either follow those words (Christ's teachings) or not. Whatever anyone says concerning their knowledge about the "word of God" be it that they are saved and born again or whatever, that still doesn't give them blanket permission to "run amuck" and swindle anyone. Their just reward will come to them. If not in this life, then the next. That's my belief anyhow, not trying to force it on you.
Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 7): Benny is simply and faithfully doing gods work,
I think I shat myself reading that one.
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 8): Ever see him on TV? He does almost no preaching, instead singing asinine praise songs with no content and "healing" people.
I tuned into that channel (TBN-Trinity Bible Network/aka the bull$h!t network) just for pure entertainment. I don't know if I ever laughed that hard watching comedy central. But then I quit laughing when the thought sinks in I'm watching people get swindled.
Speaking of swindling, pay attention to the other nutbags on that channel, including the founders... Paul and Jan Crouch. Do a quick google search on them with fraud in the search name... you'll find an article or two on them purchasing a multi million dollar home at one point (in Santa Barbara? I think).
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 16): I love Jan, do you think she knows her hair is pinkish purple?
God's chosen hairdo, endorsed by all twelve original apostles and now coming in collection plate gold, Ark style brown and the new and improved Sacrament Red. Jeez that woman is weird. I've NEVER seen anyone apply that much makeup even in movies. It looks like she buys it by the gallon. How does she apply all that? My guess is a 10 gallon drum, hose and an air compressor.
Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2096 times:
Quoting Greyhound (Reply 17): How does she apply all that? My guess is a 10 gallon drum, hose and an air compressor.
I would suggest she fills a road paver with cosmetics and lays right underneath it each morning as Paul runs over her face with it.
South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
how does he get those people to act like that?????
I like to watch for laughs....I actually just found out he's coming to the Office Depot Center in Fort Lauderdale next month...I'd go just to laugh!
Greyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2000 times:
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1986 times:
Isn't Benny Hinn the geezer with the private Gulf V "bought to spread god's word to a wider audience"..?
I know it was one of the crazy American preachers, as much as I am a Christian I really get the impression these people are thinking about themselves more than the people they preach to...
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
If I were God, I'd make SURE his Gulfstream came down with a nasty case of explosive de-compression while he was in it, preferably without a seatbelt...
Budyboy From United States of America, joined May 2005, 64 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
I love to watch Benny after he really gets going. Once he even healed himself, putting his hand on his forehead and then he fell to the floor with everyone else! It was great.
Also, I am envious of his hair, I don't know how he gets it to go like it does. I think he and Tammy Faye should have children together.
25 PHLBOS: Not quite. While the ministry organization is indeed based in the U.S.; Benny Hinn is not originally from the States. http://www.bennyhinnbiography.c
26 AirScoot: Is that even hair? I figured some poor muskrat was about to die and was looking for a place to rest in peace. I've noticed that in wind it doesn't mo
27 Johnboy: I guess the old adage is true...there is no honor amongst thieves. http://members.tripod.com/~anxietyny/jeezusjan.html
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who jokingly intertwines Benny Hinn with Benny Hill.
As far as the church I belong too, I believe in the gospel that is taught, but ultimately, it is my decision to either follow those words (Christ's teachings) or not. Whatever anyone says concerning their knowledge about the "word of God" be it that they are saved and born again or whatever, that still doesn't give them blanket permission to "run amuck" and swindle anyone. Their just reward will come to them. If not in this life, then the next. That's my belief anyhow, not trying to force it on you.
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