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Billionaire Walton Dies In Plane Crash.  
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050627/nym213.html?.v=15

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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Too bad... Maybe he could peddle his inferior products to the Devil now.

[Edited 2005-06-28 03:50:51]


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User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 1):
Too bad... Maybe he could peddle his inferior products to the Devil.

If I could peddle inferior products and make BILLIONS, I'd do it.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Nothing inferior about buying the exact same pencils, shampoo, toliet paper, or grociers for less at Wal-Mart.


He died doing what he loved, flying an ultralight over beautiful Wyoming. Would that we were all so fortunate.


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Well I consider everything made in China inferior and for Walmart to be the largest US importer of Chinese goods (or "bads" as the case may be) that would make Walmart the largest distributer of flimsy crap in America.

When I think superior products I think products made in the USA, Japan, and Europe and possibly Singapore.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

 tombstone 

He is a Vietnam Vet - Green Beret. Salute and Rest in Peace.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 1):
Too bad... Maybe he could peddle his inferior products to the Devil now.



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 3):
Nothing inferior about buying the exact same pencils, shampoo, toliet paper, or grociers for less at Wal-Mart.

Agree with MD-90.  faint  Same product, less cost, I'm okay with that.


User currently offlinePilotsmoe From United States of America, joined May 2005, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 4):
Well I consider everything made in China inferior

I don't, I think you're just racist  banghead 


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

His father Sam flew his own prop plane back in the 1960-1980's to look at stores, and from stories, he was a very risk taking pilot and had his own 'style of flying, often scaring passangers.
This man served his country honorably, but took one risk too many. It is a terrible loss for his family and the people he worked with. This reminds me of the death of singer John Denver, whom also died in an ultralight aircraft flight.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Maybe it was a Chinese ultralight.

...but there are only 3 small factories in China, which produce only 20 light, or ultralight aircrafts of inferior quality every year and whose quality cannot be guaranteed.

Source: http://www.cnairsports.com/10_1.htm

Mark


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Quoting Pilotsmoe (Reply 6):
I don't, I think you're just racist

Racist? Perhaps you didn't read the rest of my message... last time I checked Japanese and Singaporean people were Asian.

I really dislike people tossing the R-word with little thought. That definitely takes a lot of limelight off of Neo-Nazis and KKKers.



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User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Awww... another walton gone. I feel a hollow place inside my heart. How many more?


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

I've read the Reader's Digest condensed version of Sam Walton's autobiography (very good read), and while there was mention of Mr. Walton's flying, nothing ever suggested that he was a pilot with substandard judgement.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 7):
This reminds me of the death of singer John Denver, whom also died in an ultralight aircraft flight.

No, he didn't, because he was not flying an ultralight. He was flying a Long-EZ, and was unfamiliar with the fuel selection toggle behind and above his head (not uncommon in Long-EZs).

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 9):
I really dislike people tossing the R-word with little thought.

Personally, I dislike ignorant people bashing Wal-Mart when they don't understand the very basic trade that enriches both Americans and Chinese through Wal-Mart.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

He was just 58 years old ... That is way young. This is totally unexpected.

EDIT: What aircraft was he piloting? Are there airliners.net photos of same aircraft type?

[Edited 2005-06-28 05:34:59]


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

My understanding is that he was piloting an ultralight.

If that is the case the NTSB won't investigate since it isn't a registered airplane.



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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Anything made in China is inferior? You should look at the actual products, and not where they are made, to determine if they are inferior or not. There is a lot of crap made in America, Europe and Japan, just so you know. The above coments about you aren't out of line.


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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
He is a Vietnam Vet - Green Beret. Salute and Rest in Peace.

RIP to him. The article says he was awarded the Silver Star. Hats off to him for that. One doesn’t get a Silver Star just for showing up to work.

This thread took all of 1 post to become a Wal-Mart bashing thread. I’m all for bashing Wal-Mart – but c’mon for chrissakes, a newsworthy guy (a decorated vet and that took me by surprise) died! There is a time/place for bashing. Gawd!


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 11):
Personally, I dislike ignorant people bashing Wal-Mart when they don't understand the very basic trade that enriches both Americans and Chinese through Wal-Mart.

Enriches Americans? Maybe Chinese Factory Owners and the Waltons everybody else on this side of the Pacific get the corperate shaft. I fail to see how the biggest importer in America helps Americans... I can understand companies like Chevy or Catapillar helping Americans earn a living even as each respective company annually shovels hundreds of jobs to Mexico because these companies have at least have some interest in manufacturing in America, however Walmart is probably the company with the most contempt for the American way of life. Walmart waltzes into small towns and facilitates the destruction of local economies. Not only is Walmart the largest undisputed importer of Chinese crap in the country but they pay their workers shit... and are always in the news because of some form of wickedness the porkbelly management inflicts upon their employees.

The man is worth $18 Billion dollars yet none of his employees have a living wage and he has spent most of his life keeping it that way. If that doesn't make Satan proud I don't know what will. Hope you like your eternal accommodations at the Hotel Tartarus, John Walton.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 12):
EDIT: What aircraft was he piloting? Are there airliners.net photos of same aircraft type?

lol, I doubt it.

Walton, an experienced pilot who was a resident of Jackson Hole, was flying a 400- to 500-pound home-made aircraft, with an aluminum body, cloth-covered wings and a small engine, Grand Teton National Park spokeswoman Joan Anzelmo said.

It wasn't even an actual ultralight. Go figure that the ignorant press would get it wrong. http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...05-06-28_03-28-10_n27325008_newsml

Park rangers were investigating the incident, she said, adding that the Federal Aviation Administration had declined to do so as it involved an unregistered aircraft.

Although, maybe I was too quick to judge the writer. If it's an experimental, it must have an N-number. Maybe he was flying an ultralight trainer? At least the Reuters article properly calls it a light plane, not an ultralight. Probably an experimental of some sort (a "heavy" ultralight), since legal ultralight trainers aren't all that common.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 16):
Enriches Americans? Maybe Chinese Factory Owners and the Waltons everybody else on this side of the Pacific get the corperate shaft.

Wal-Mart pretty much does more to increase the purchasing power of Americans than any other entity, including the parasitic government. That company is a huge boon to almost every American, as well as an extremely important employer.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 17):
Walton, an experienced pilot who was a resident of Jackson Hole, was flying a 400- to 500-pound home-made aircraft, with an aluminum body, cloth-covered wings and a small engine, Grand Teton National Park spokeswoman Joan Anzelmo said.

Being a billionaire I guess I could afford at least a Cessna and would not have to risk my life in some home-made "aircraft".


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Look at it this way Flybyguy. You have a poor family who can hardly afford to get by. Do they go to the local shop, which probably pays the same wages to it's workers, or do they go to Wal-Mart, where they can save some of their hard-earned money?


What now?
User currently offlineFDXMECH From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 19):
You have a poor family who can hardly afford to get by. Do they go to the local shop, which probably pays the same wages to it's workers, or do they go to Wal-Mart, where they can save some of their hard-earned money?

Look at it this way. That poor family once upon a time might of had a breadwinner working in a factory until that factory moved to China so they could pay their people pennies to the dollar compared to an American worker. Now that American worker makes pennies to the dollar if he works at all. Walmart made a new customer.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

The argument that Wal-Mart "destroys" local economies is flimsy. While mom & pop businesses might be a casualty, the employment opportunity offered by a local Wal-Mart store is so much greater than what a few mom & pop stores could possibly offer. Plus, if mom & pop stores tried to differentiate themselves in some way besides price, there would be room for both concepts in the community.

Also, last time I checked, IBM wasn't planning on opening offices in a place like Milledgeville, GA anytime soon.


User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 16):
Enriches Americans? Maybe Chinese Factory Owners and the Waltons everybody else on this side of the Pacific get the corperate shaft. I fail to see how the biggest importer in America helps Americans...

Cheap Chineses imports have been controlling US inflation and delivering standard of living increases for years now.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 13):
If that is the case the NTSB won't investigate since it isn't a registered airplane.

Actually they are showing an interest. NTSB released this this morning:

"The National Transportation Safety Board has dispatched an
investigator from the Denver regional office to monitor
developments at the scene of yesterday's crash of an
unregistered air vehicle, reportedly an ultra-light, near
Jackson Hole Airport, in Wyoming. The sole occupant of the
vehicle, John Walton, was killed in the crash."

It's not unusual for the NTSB to investigate an incident it otherwise would not, or investigate more deeply than it otherwise would have, when a prominent person is involved. Sen Wellstone, Payne Stewart, and John Denver all got the celebrity treatment from NTSB.


User currently offlineGreyhound From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
He is a Vietnam Vet - Green Beret. Salute and Rest in Peace.

Whatever I think of Wal Mart and its crappy treatment of employees and its business practices, hats off for that one. FlyingTexan was right, noone gets a Silver Star for just showing up to work. Wal Mart aside, seriously the military resume was impressive enough. Combat Medic in Vietnam... that's a job just as tough and maybe tougher than being a grunt I would think.



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25 Clipperhawaii : You obviously don't know much about flying and obviously you are not a pilot. As for Wal-Mart, obviously a pretty good company considering their succ
26 MD-90 : Most all of them are a lot more fun than a boring spam can.
27 Post contains links and images SATL382G : More news from NTSB. Apparently they have decided to investigate rather than observe: "A National Transportation Safety Board investigator is at the s
28 BristolFlyer : That's naive. This may have been true 10 yrs ago but the quality of products coming out of China now is as good as any from most of those countries y
29 Fumanchewd : Experimental aircraft do not have N numbers and quite a few ultralights are experimental.
30 Post contains links and images SATL382G : Uhhhh, no. Checkout any new Boeing airliner type before it gets certified and you'll see the word "Experimental" above the door and they have N-numbe
31 PJ295 : UMMM.....very wrong. My father owns an experimental airplane. It's a modified Great Lakes Biplane which he built himself. It most certainly has a N n
32 Flybyguy : And you ever wonder why people present good eulogies for evil people. I guess the fact death can claim rich or poor, sick or healthy, good or bad lea
33 Post contains links and images Fumanchewd : lol. You're comparing a 777 to an ultralight?! Flying Under Ultralight Rules (FAR Part 103) Recreational flight limited to single seaters weighing les
34 Post contains images Fumanchewd : My mistake for thinking that all ultralights are experimental...this is of course incorrect. However, ultralights do not need N numbers.
35 MD-90 : All legal ultralights do not require N (numbers). They are some experimental ultralights built from kits, but most of them are delivered straight from
36 Post contains images MD-90 : From the current Avweb NewsWire: Dr. Brent Blue, an aviation medical examiner in Jackson Hole, told AVweb yesterday that Walton was "a very experienc
37 B744F : Yes it sure enriches all those minimum wage workers in America and those cent an hour workers in China! Honestly what planet do you live on?
38 MD-90 : It sure alows our inflating dollar buy more. A dollar today is only worth 50% of a dollar from 1980!
39 B744F : And what you fail to grasp is Wal-Mart, globalization, et al causes even more deflation.
40 JBirdAV8r : How the Hell is an AME going to know if the guy's a "careful" pilot? That's right. He may know if he's a healthy one... And I've met more nutjobs fly
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