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Radical Christian Group Protests Soldier's Funeral  
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5328 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Pastor Fred Phelps (the man so whacked out that he got kicked out of Bob Jones University, who believes that "a good left hook makes for a right fine wife", who keeps track of how many days Matthew Sheppard has been "burning in hell") and his collection of Westboro Baptist Church nutcases (his cult of personality that worships in the basement of his home) are at it again! Just for once I'd like to see this drug-addled, hatemongering charlatan get his just desserts.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/WCVB/20050627/lo_WCVB/2795149


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

I would think having their picture posted on the internet while they are holding such signs would be enough; if you could CLEARLY see their faces. I hope their bosses see the pics and what an ass these morons are acting like and fires all of them.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

Somebody outta round up a group of people down there and send these guys to hell.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16992 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Why are the police escorting them? They have a right to free speech certainly, but I wasn't aware that said right comes with a police motorcade?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
"a good left hook makes for a right fine wife"

ROTFLMAO... sorry, but that is hilarious and so perfect coming from a man of 'faith'.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Thread starter):
I'd like to see this drug-addled, hatemongering charlatan get his just desserts.

And what would that consist of?


User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

sorry did I miss something, was the soldier that was killed gay??


brett



i'm so excited i wish i could wet my pants!
User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

I would have loved to gone over the ripped their little posters to shreds..Smile in their faces...Then blair 'Hell Awaits' by Slayer as I drive away


Go big or go home
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

>> sorry did I miss something, was the soldier that was killed gay??

Yes, it would appear so


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5601 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Wasn't there a better opportunity to parade their ignorance other than someone's funeral???

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16992 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting Brettbrett21 (Reply 5):
sorry did I miss something, was the soldier that was killed gay??

NO, the soldier died in the war that America is fighting. America is being attacked alledgedly of America's support (what support? 70+% voted for anti-gay marriage amendments) for homosexuals and other things this man does not like.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5328 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 4):
And what would that consist of?

Hm...for once a good question from you, Hung. I'd hesitate to say anything too mean-spirited as that sort of attention is what Phelps thrives off of. I'd say for his platform to be taken away - for his congregants to realize he's a nutcase and to abandon him, leaving him just a lonely, embittered asshole for the rest of his dementia-stricken days.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16992 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
I'd say for his platform to be taken away - for his congregants to realize he's a nutcase and to abandon him

I'd like for him and his entire congregation to strap on their Nikes, head to Guyana, and drink the Kool Aid.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Then why take it out on the dead soldier and his family? What an appsolute bunch of dicks. Im not even religious but even I can see they're missing the point! I thought Christianity was about love and tolerance??


i'm so excited i wish i could wet my pants!
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16992 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting Brettbrett21 (Reply 12):
I thought Christianity was about love and tolerance??

So is Islam allegedly...



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13815 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

I'd say they can demonstrate wherever they want, BUT NOT AT THE FUNERAL. PERIOD. What they are doing is pure provocation.

I wonder what the reaction of this soldier's family and his comrades will be. I hope they'll bring some pick axe handles. Or fire the salute with rifles loaded with ball ammo into the direction of the Christian Taliban. I don't think this is what the soldiers have fought for.

Jan


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5328 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Quoting Brettbrett21 (Reply 12):
I thought Christianity was about love and tolerance??

Not to Phelps. Again, the man is completely in the margin such that even guys like Falwell have distanced themselves from him. Phelps believes that he's one of the few righteous individuals in the world and that those who are opposed to him and his beliefs are doomed to Hell. Further most would argue that he's not even Christian - some of his own children believe WBC to be nothing more than a cult designed to exalt Phelps.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

What really pisses me off is all those so-called "Christians" who refuse to denounce this sick fu**!! I'm talking about the "good" people who read the Bible, got to church every Sunday, rail against homosexuality, abortion and other evils. Then when somebody like Phelps shows their head, or another person advocates bombing abortion clinics they sit on their hands and whistle like nothing is happening. Seriously, where is this silent majority? Very silent indeed.

No I do not believe that all people of faith line up behind this douchebag, but there is a serious challenge here to all devout Christians. Why is he allowed to speak for the Christian community unchallenged? Where is the outrage amongst the good, churchgoing folk? This has to change. Will anybody stand up to him? Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, anybody? Just like the President always says, either you're with us or against us. Well?



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Fred Phelps is not a Christian. Westboro Baptist Church is neither Baptist nor Christian. This is a dangerous, brainwashing cult, like many others. While I'm not against the posting of this thread, and while I obviously agree that his actions are reprehensible (they're actually supposedly picketing against the Church run pastored by a friend of mine this weekend!), I just want to say that WBC is not a "Christian group!"

Jean Leloup



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

I think this is a case where freedom of speech is being abused. To make that kind of spectacle at a funeral is insane. How far were they kept away from the ceremonies? I don't believe for a second that laws against trespassing and harassment couldn't be used to keep those pigs far enough away that the soldier's family and friends wouldn't have to have their grief compounded by the presence of the evil Phelpsians.


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5328 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 14):
What they are doing is pure provocation.

That's what he specializes in, Jan. This is the same guy that protested at the funeral of Matthew Sheppard (the gay college student who was beaten to death in Wyoming a few years back) with signs describing Sheppard "burning in Hell."



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
the man is completely in the margin such that even guys like Falwell have distanced themselves from him.

When? Where? How? To whom?

Deep down people like Falwell are glad to have Phelps around, because he says the things they can't afford to say.



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting Brettbrett21 (Reply 12):
Then why take it out on the dead soldier and his family? What an appsolute bunch of dicks. Im not even religious but even I can see they're missing the point! I thought Christianity was about love and tolerance??



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
So is Islam allegedly...

Every religion has its loony fringe. What is sad is that the fringes are the only ones who seem to get airtime these days. Pity.

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 16):
What really pisses me off is all those so-called "Christians" who refuse to denounce this sick fu**!! I'm talking about the "good" people who read the Bible, got to church every Sunday, rail against homosexuality, abortion and other evils. Then when somebody like Phelps shows their head, or another person advocates bombing abortion clinics they sit on their hands and whistle like nothing is happening. Seriously, where is this silent majority? Very silent indeed.

Just what would you like us to do? Bomb them back?

Seriously though, acknowledging these daft groups merely gives them credibility. The game's no fun if no one wants to play. In other words, don't confuse ignoring a group with showing terpitude.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

I'm kinda surprised that no distraught mourner has belted this guy in the mouth yet. At least, I've never seen it documented. Should something like that happen, I'd suspect the police escort would testify that "he tripped and fell."


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Freedom of speech only goes so far! Burn them alive!

Signed,
NWA742


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
Not to Phelps. Again, the man is completely in the margin such that even guys like Falwell have distanced themselves from him.

Yet, didn't Falwell pretty much say the same thing - that 9/11 happened because of 'mos? Or was it Robertson? I get all these Evangelical Fascists mixed up.


25 MD11Engineer : I wonder if they'll have the guts to show up if a platoon of soldiers from this guy's unit is present. I don't think that they will be nice to the pro
26 Post contains links Tbar220 : You need to understand that Westboro Baptist Church is not a Christian church or Christian group. Calling them a radical Christian group is innacurate
27 Johnboy : Several of his children have gone to law school, and are just waiting for the moment when someone physically assaults one of the group, or "takes away
28 Marco : I thought Christianity was about love and tolerance?? It is...is Islam a religion of terror because of a few terrorists? What really pisses me off is
29 Garnetpalmetto : From far across the ether of space and time, a voice called out to me. That voice sounds strangely like Logan22L, who is on self-imposed exile for awh
30 MD-90 : What? Just about every single Christian in the entire nation denounces the hateful Fred Phelps and despises his "ministry" for the harm it does to th
31 MD-90 : By the way, what is IEDS? AIDS? And a nice quote from Phelps: "We don't picket to win people over, idiot. It's to harden people's hearts. Make them ha
32 Garnetpalmetto : Improvised Explosive Devices - the militaryese for the roadside bombs and what not in Iraq
33 Post contains images ANCFlyer : No, he was not. The city issued a 2 hour permit to this "organization". They have protested in other places as well. All protesting in similar fashio
34 FlyingTexan : Does Mr. Phelps surf gay.com like the mayor of Spokane?
35 Post contains images SRQCrosscheck : There must be some way to revoke these crazies' tax exempt status. Didn't the leader's daughter run for city council in Topeka or something? Couldn't
36 Post contains images DfwRevolution : >> The city issued a 2 hour permit to this "organization". They have protested in other places as well. All protesting in similar fashion on similar
37 Post contains images NWA742 : Really cute, 777. How you managed to come up with the idea that I want all judicial systems gone, simply because I have no sympathy for a rapist who
38 ANCFlyer : Well, they were exercising that right. Agree or disagree - and I vehemently disagree. That said, someone I know has said "the greatest test of freedo
39 NWA742 : Oh yeah I know, but I was speaking of the case about the rapist who was killed by his victim's murder. -NWA742
40 ANCFlyer : Ahh, my bad. Good call for the Mom. Screw that guy.
41 Post contains images NWA742 : Definitely agreed. Hopefully he's still burning if ya get my grip.   ----------------------------------- Oh my ANCflyer, now I just realized that yo
42 Post contains links and images NYCFlyer : The cops have to defend these people or else they'd get pummeled by the public. The KKK and other such groups also get police protection. Also, becau
43 Post contains images JGPH1A : Who knew you were such a medium, Garnet. Ether of space and time ? More like baked-bean-induced gas Tell him to stay away from the bright light !
44 MD11Engineer : Reading the Wikipedia article, I think that Phelps is also a scam artist, especially concerning his tax breaks as a "religious institution". I would s
45 Post contains images Solnabo : Why doesnt this Phelps and his bunch of incest litter go after the pedophile priests, or is that to close to comfort? Just my Micke//SE
46 Satx : When people focus on the letter of the bible instead of the spirit, love and tolerance often take a back seat to hate and ignorance. Polls show that
47 Tbar220 : Simply because (imho) this guy isn't Christian. Why apologize something that isn't part of your group? Why openly denounce or speak out against somet
48 KBOS : These folks got nowhere near the funeral, which was attended by the men in Staff Sgt. Christoper Piper unit. The police escorted them out of town for
49 MD11Engineer : But on the other hand many Christians, also on A.net, expect the whole Muslim community to kowtow everytime some radical nutcase sets off a bomb. Do
50 PHLBOS : The Piper funeral took place in my former-hometown. The last time Marblehead got this much attention was during the Louise Woodward trial many years a
51 WellHung : I was hoping for something a little more Mary Cheney-esque.
52 Post contains links KBOS : It was covered by the local TV stations, I did manage to find a report from the Boston Herald... " The protesters were led out of town with a police e
53 DL021 : Idiots like Phelps really give me heartburn. I'll still defend their right to free speech, but I'd volunteer to counter demonstrate and call them dirt
54 Post contains links MD11Engineer : I found something: Apparently the people of the town and the mates of Stff. Sgt. Piper were not pleased about the demonstrators. Mounted police escort
55 PHLBOS : Also from the article: Ben Cleary, who went to high school with Piper, tearfully screamed at the protesters while holding a large American flag. Moot
56 MD11Engineer : I think the police were just waiting for the slightest provocation from Phelp's group, which would have permitted them to charge them legaly with thei
57 SATX : Please point out who is asking for an apology from the Christian community at large. I honestly don't know where you're getting that from. As for spe
58 N1120A : They do have a right to protection of their life under the Constitution. If they were attacked, the police had to be there FAR more have been killed
59 777236ER : I'm not trying to undermine the judicial system by announcing my own personal views should take precident over it. You supported the unlawful murder
60 Post contains links and images Greyhound : Damned I'm sorry, I must have tuned into the wrong thread. I could have sworn this was about lunatic religious freaks that perverted a solemn occasio
61 777236ER : So wait, now we're advocating 1. Murder of rapists 2. Murder of people who executed their (Constitutional, no less) right to free speech? Get a grip.
62 Greyhound : Who's saying that?
63 Marco : FAR more have been killed in the name of christianity than islam Considering they spread across the whole middle east and north africa by forced conve
64 Post contains images NWA742 : 777, I never, not once, ever............said that my opinion about the case of that rapist, should precide over the judicial system. Not ever. Not on
65 777236ER : In your mind he deserved to burn alive, not be imprisoned. The fact that he was unlawfully burnt alive - despite being convicted and sentenced - is a
66 B744F : Christians are supposed to preach brotherhood and peace, this guy is just another person hiding behind the book preaching his hatred and the right win
67 MD11Engineer : Well, then I'd suggest that you read a bit about European history (maybe also South American history). Jan
68 NWA742 : You keep questioning how I can support an unlawful murder, yet support the judicial system. I'll try to explain again. In this case, Spain's system w
69 777236ER : I'm not going to talk to you about the rape case, that's not what this thread is about. All I'm saying is, you have to be really careful about the mac
70 NWA742 : Fair enough That's a good point, I see where you are coming from. I wasn't trying to be macho though, because I really believe that sick rapist got w
71 Allstarflyer : It is about God's love. This guy skipped over that part, which means he's either never read his Bible or he's a picker - he picks and chooses what su
72 777236ER : So then run for office with a policy that supports viligilantism. Calling gay people abnormal is a little insulting, don't you think? Black people ar
73 NWA742 : Really have to get into it again, 777? Just because I have no sympathy for violent criminals who by chance, become victims of crime themselves, doesn
74 Marco : Well, then I'd suggest that you read a bit about European history (maybe also South American history I'm not denying that European Christians have mes
75 JGPH1A : Whereas of course "Manifest Destiny" was a benign gentle affair that didn't involve the genocide of the original inhabitants. Sure. Religion in all t
76 Marco : In any case, while the expansion of Islam was swift and brutal, the civilisation that spread with it brought education, medicine, science, literature,
77 OzarkD9S : [quote=NWA742,reply=73][By your idea, that would also make all white people in the US abnormal, because we came from somewhere else, as did black peop
78 AGC525 : That picture is photoshoped
79 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : To the best of my knowledge, it's not. If it is, here's a few more Westboro Baptist crazies to satisfy you then. Happy?
80 B757300 : These people are about as "Christian" as that bozo Michael Newdow who tried to get the Pledge of Allegiance declared unconstitutional. Every real Chri
81 MaverickM11 : Not really...depends how you define abnormal. If you define it as "freak", then yes it's offensive, if it's "deviating from the normal or average" th
82 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : Well you got 1 out of 3. A 33% accuracy rate is par for the course for you. He was never employed by the ACLU but did handle civil rights cases befor
83 JGPH1A : Islam is a religion, not a culture as such. The "Islamic" culture that spread so quickly was primarily Persian / Mesopotamian / Eastern Hellenic in o
84 Marco : As for the Phoenicians, Rome had done a pretty good job of wiping out the Carthaginian/Phoenician civilisation etc. Nubians ? Their civilisation was c
85 JGPH1A : True - it was imperialism, no doubt about it. I wouldn't say that the indigenous poplulations were wiped out, they were assimilated, I guess you coul
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