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I'm Glad NYC Didn't Get The Olympics  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

I know there are two other threads going on, but so be it.

I am glad that NYC didn't get the Olympics. Either London or Paris would have worked for me. I was hoping for Paris for personal reasons but London is just as good. I am tired of always hearing how NYC is the "capital of the world" and the "greatest city in America". It's always good to see the "world's most arrogant city" (in my opinion anyway) be brought back down to earth.

This reminds me of the Super Bowl in 2002, when New Orleans was awarded the game, and New York City started this whole "give us the Super Bowl because of 9/11 campaign...we're hurting." I actually wrote a letter which got published in the USA Today that year talking about how New York wants it all. It was entertaining.

So enough of my ranting. I say congrats to my friends in London, job well done, truly you guys will host the event well.

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

When New Orleans gets washed into the Gulf, New York will still be the Capital of the World.

You sound like a Frenchman. Jealousy is not an attractive trait, you know.



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
NYC is the "capital of the world" and the "greatest city in America".

And what would you call the greatest city in America?

Capital of the world? No. In the top five? Yes. Actually, if I had to rank it, only London would come before New York.

AAndrew


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

I think Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, New Orleans, and D.C are all better than NYC. So I guess NYC would make my top ten list in America.

It's hard to pick #1, but if I had to, I'd say Chicago.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
When New Orleans gets washed into the Gulf, New York will still be the Capital of the World.

That was nice. I'll go down with the city too I guess. But sorry, I don't consider NYC to be the capital of the world. To many it is I'm sure, just not me.

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
You sound like a Frenchman. Jealousy is not an attractive trait, you know.

Who's jealous?


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I think Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, New Orleans, and D.C are all better than NYC. So I guess NYC would make my top ten list in America.

They might be nicer, or you may prefer them, but they are no where near as important than NYC. Its the financial capital of the world, a huge tourist destination and known worldwide for its restaurants and museums. Sorry, the only one on your list as a NYC rival is D.C.

AAndrew


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Being the financial capital of the world doesn't make it the best city in the world. The city is obviously extremely important in regards to business (no one can deny that), but all the cities I mentioned have just as much culture and character as NYC...with the possible exception being Seattle....but Seattle gets on my list due to its scenic location and music scene.

User currently offlineIbhayi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

On the other hand I am quite chuffed that Paris didnt get it.

The tourists will all head there, especially the Americans, and then the rude cab drivers who actually speak english, the hotels with small rooms and bad service, and the general "discontent" towards the english speakers, they seem to have an attitude off arrogance, of we dont want you to the tourists? Then why bid for the damn thing, knowing they will come in droves.

Reminds me of an argument I had with a man at the ticket desk in Versailles.

In england they go more out of their way to help you out than the French do, unless you speak the language.

Well I can entirely understand why they dont like the "Hunny, no lets look at he tour guide it is "camps ilsees" thats where we gotta go, no hunny check the travel guide.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17544 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
I am tired of always hearing how NYC is the "capital of the world" and the "greatest city in America".

I'm glad simply because the Olympics are generally a money losing proposition. Add to that the fact that I hate pro-sports and the various NYC stadium boondoggles would have gotten a boost from an Olympic win--now they don't have that excuse.

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
It's always good to see the "world's most arrogant city" (in my opinion anyway) be brought back down to earth.

Yeah but there are more French in Paris!

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 1):
When New Orleans gets washed into the Gulf, New York will still be the Capital of the World.

And that corner of Louisianna will finally smell remotely fresh...



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
This reminds me of the Super Bowl in 2002, when New Orleans was awarded the game, and New York City started this whole "give us the Super Bowl because of 9/11 campaign...we're hurting." I actually wrote a letter which got published in the USA Today that year talking about how New York wants it all. It was entertaining.

This is totally besides the point but when has the super bowl ever been in a place where it snows in the winter, I know it's in Detroit this upcoming season but they have a dome stadium and the Jets and the Giants both play in the meadowlands and that is an open field and there is no guarantee that there won't be a huge snowstorm on game day if it was in NYC.



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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
"world's most arrogant city"

Wasn't that city knocked out the final round?  wink 


User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
think Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, New Orleans, and D.C are all better than NYC. So I guess NYC would make my top ten list in America.

And Los Angeles is where on this list??

Anywho they want to get back in the running for the 2016 games.


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I think Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, New Orleans, and D.C are all better than NYC. So I guess NYC would make my top ten list in America.

And what are your reason for these cities being ahead of NYC? This whole attitude thing is overrated, go to any city and you will get an attitude from people. What do those cities have that makes them "better" than NY?


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter):
I am tired of always hearing how NYC is the "capital of the world" and the "greatest city in America". It's always good to see the "world's most arrogant city" (in my opinion anyway) be brought back down to earth.

I don't know if its the worlds most arrogant city, but the American media does like to remind us of how great NYC is. NYC is the number media market in the US, so maybe NYC is the greatest city in America only because other smaller market cities don't have the sophisticated methods of communication that NYC has.


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

And what makes NYC so special from other big U.S. cities??

Once again as I said in the other thread of the Olympic bid winner. Congrats LONDON!!!


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
And what are your reason for these cities being ahead of NYC? This whole attitude thing is overrated, go to any city and you will get an attitude from people. What do those cities have that makes them "better" than NY?

I just don't care for NYC too much. Just personal preference. I don't hate the Yankees, I don't hate the people, just not a big fan of the overall NYC experience. Too busy I guess. It's just not a very attractive place. Very overrated. But, it was the home of Pan Am's world headquarters, so that right there ranks it in the top ten.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
And that corner of Louisianna will finally smell remotely fresh...

Yeah Bourbon Street does need a good cleansing every now and again, just not a permanent one as would be the case if the city got swallowed up in the Gulf.  Smile


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 14):
And what makes NYC so special from other big U.S. cities??

Its famous landmarks and other tourist destinations, its extremely high population of mixed nationalities, its center of the stock market (the only thing holding up the US economy since the 70s), the large amount of companies, mainly finance companies who reside there, the list goes on. It is the gateway to the US, it has been since its beginning, it was where immigrants fresh off the boat tried to start living the fantasy American dream.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9390 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
maybe NYC is the greatest city in America only because other smaller market cities don't have the sophisticated methods of communication that NYC has.

i know stations in markets 150 through 200 that have nicer, fancier, faster methods of communication than the big networks out of nyc. ;p

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I think Chicago, Miami, San Francisco, Seattle, Boston, New Orleans, and D.C are all better than NYC. So I guess NYC would make my top ten list in America.

And what are your reason for these cities being ahead of NYC? This whole attitude thing is overrated, go to any city and you will get an attitude from people. What do those cities have that makes them "better" than NY?

i, too, might put chicago ahead of new york city. but it's a very close call. i enjoy both cities very much, but it's a hard argument with any city. ive been to a lot of cities in the states and each one has their own special set of perks.

like for example:

in new york city central park is nice and all but st. louis' forest park is much larger.

i enjoy new orleans' jazz festival but i enjoy milwaukee's summerfest much more.

like them or love them but the wrigley field for the chicago cubs and seeing a game there is probably the best way to spend an afternoon at the baseball stadium.

detroit and nashville have the best live concert act offerings and live music venues of any city in the nation.

and then there's las vegas....



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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Bu this has nothing to do with your personal experiences and what you enjoyed out of each city....

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9390 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
Bu this has nothing to do with your personal experiences and what you enjoyed out of each city....

and that's -EXACTLY- my point

why spend time arguing over each city. let's just be thankful that we have a choice and plethora of cities to go to.

think of all the nations that have just one "big" city and to hell with all the others.

how many times do you hear of great things to do in...
Bristol, England?
Marseilles, France?
Kyoto, Japan?

so yeah, too bad for the U.S. that we got passed up on the Olympics, but there's always going to be another game or two...in a multiple of 4 years from now. and if the arrogance of New York and the French turned the IOC to London, then so be it.

sure, there's a lot of things to do in New York and a lot of pretty people there and it's all nice and bright and "Cats" played for nearly 7,000 shows...but it still doesn't make it the best.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 2):
And what would you call the greatest city in America?

Capital of the world? No. In the top five? Yes. Actually, if I had to rank it, only London would come before New York.



Quoting Aa757first (Reply 5):
They might be nicer, or you may prefer them, but they are no where near as important than NYC. Its the financial capital of the world, a huge tourist destination and known worldwide for its restaurants and museums. Sorry, the only one on your list as a NYC rival is D.C.

Thank you for reminding me why, as much as I love NYC (and I visit almost monthly, including tomorrow), I will never live there because I can't stand the extreme arrogance that is far to prevalent. Everyone has arrogance and pride for their city, I'm sure guilty of that, but in NYC is just taken to a whole other level.

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
And what are your reason for these cities being ahead of NYC? This whole attitude thing is overrated, go to any city and you will get an attitude from people. What do those cities have that makes them "better" than NY?

Why would you question someone's preferences for cities? If someone perfers one city to another, the reasons don't really matter. I might perfer Luanda to Jakarta. Why? I don't know, I've never been to Jakarta, but it doesn't matter, I just do.

[Edited 2005-07-07 02:35:49]


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

When I saw this thread, I thought it was going to be similiar to my thinking. As a lifelong New Yorker, I was very happy that NYC didn't get the Olympics simply because it seems out of place, it would be a huge traffic mess, and there is no reason for it to come here.

I am tired of always hearing how NYC is the "capital of the world" and the "greatest city in America".

Well, I don't know what to tell you other than suggesting not to get yourself into these discussions. By any rational measure, NYC is the capital of the world. It is also the capital of finance, communications/media, art, and many more important fields. NYC is the best representative of the United States that we have. There is a reason why every major airlines #1 route is generally their main hub-New York City.

And when you look at the whole tri-state area, it is clear how important the region is to the country.

Also, for those of you who compare DC to NYC, DC is an awesome city. I go to college there and love it, but it is NOWHERE NEAR NYC and never will be.

And MSYtristar, it's ok if you don't like NYC, but I hope you weren't one of those people after 9/11 who went around with the whole "We're New Yorkers" theme.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9390 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 21):
NYC is the capital of the world.

!

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 21):
It is also the capital of finance

Tokyo?

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 21):
communications/media

London?

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 21):
art,

Italy?

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 21):
and many more important fields

Hollywood?



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 17):
i know stations in markets 150 through 200 that have nicer, fancier, faster methods of communication than the big networks out of nyc. ;p

They may be nicer and fancier, but I doubt they are faster. NYC is home to the headquarters of NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, AOL Time Warner, etc... and when one of those media outlets say something, people all over the world know about it, and they know about it pretty quick.

Nevertheless, I like visiting NYC especially during the holidays, But the cold weather always turned me off from making my visit a permanent one.


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

If the Olympics couldn't be in NYC my second choice would be London.

I love NYC!



Go big or go home
25 STLGph : i love to visit new york myself. but i love to visit as many cities as i can. i have never turned down the opportunity to go somewhere when the price
26 N1120A : Los Angeles, the greatest city in America and the World Actually quite the cool place (love Clifton), but you seem to have left out places like Manch
27 B744F : Los Angeles, greatest city in the world? Not a chance! You can't count LA as once city, especially if you look at how pathetic the "downtown is compar
28 Post contains images 102IAHexpress : I think we're in agreement on that. But if we take a step back and look at the big picture, most Americans don't travel as much or have seen as many
29 MSYtristar : No, I was not, I supported the country as I always do, but I didn't pretend to be someone I am not.
30 Post contains images Mir : There are far too many great cities in the world for any specific one to be a clear-cut capital. But you can't deny that New York is very much in the
31 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Lets see, Chicago has famous landmarks, tourist destinations,a population of mixed nationalities, we have the Chicago Board of Trade and Mercantile E
32 Pendrilsaint : Guys please...y'all have missed the point. Yeah the media plays up NYC to be something it really isn't; still, it is the most magnificent city in the
33 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Its so obvious you are clueless about Chicago. FYI Chicago has more than one museum, Chicago never shuts down, downtown Chicago is safe, we have thea
34 SATX : You sound like an American. Neither is arrogance, you know. Do you even read what you write? You just complained that if you speak the local language
35 Mir : Actually, I know of two subway stations that are not open at night (145th and 148th on the 3 line). The other 466 are open 24/7 (excluding repairs, a
36 SFOMEX : I beg to differ. If you want to see a city that really sleeps, go to Sacramento, CA. I lived there for three years and I love the town and its people
37 Post contains images Mdsh00 : LA is a much better city than outsiders (and even locals give it credit for). For all of NYC's claims of ethnic diversity, LA actually edges it out f
38 777236ER : MaverickM11, every Games since Montreal has made money for the city.
39 STLGph : on a side note...probably over half of all Broadway & off Broadway shows have a trial run in Chicago before opening in New York. many times, they nev
40 MAH4546 : The "city that never sleeps" thing is way overrated. Maybe because I'm from Miami, which easily gives NYC's nightlife a run for the money (after all,
41 Post contains images Leezyjet : Have to agree that the nightlife is NYC is absolute crap. I went there last year for 5 nights and spent more on taxi fares riding around the city look
42 TWFirst : I completely agree. Thus, I'm happy to read you're cognizant of your unattractiveness.
43 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : As a true New Yorker who realizes how important NYC is important to the US: Yes it is true, so I think the only one that comes close is DC but it stil
44 Aa757first : I don't live in NYC, I never have and I don't even live in the surrounding area. But to say that Seattle or New Orleans is a more important city than
45 STLGph : yes, all these untrue comments are driving us crazy. Tokyo is a very very -very- important finance capital, especially since it helps anchor the whol
46 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : But NYC has all of these aspects and if up there on alot of lists, they aren't just dominant in one aspect and that is it, they are up there in alot.
47 MSYtristar : Just because NYC has it all and is the center of the financial universe does NOT make it any better than some cities previously mentioned on this boar
48 N766UA : Considering that the French have the original "capital of the universe," Paris, I'd argue that you sound the most like a frenchman.
49 SlamClick : Okay guys, it is hypocritical to sing the praises of New York if all you are referring to is Manhattan. There are four other boroughs and they don't l
50 TWFirst : Huh?? What history text book have you been reading... or have you ever read one? Rome was the original "Capital of the World".... followed by London.
51 Post contains images Mexicana757 : What "thing" are you talking about?? As I recall I haven't mentioned anything that is compared to the UN, or have I?? I know one thing that NYC doesn
52 STLGph : yes, but isnt it supposed to be moved every 50-75-100-??? years to different nations which sit permanently on the Security Council?
53 Post contains images TWFirst : Move the HQ of the UN every 50 years? Build a new General Assembly hall and offices, consulates, etc? Especially when they can't afford the cost of u
54 STLGph : i thought that was part of the agreement when the U.N. was formed.
55 TWFirst : Not that I'm aware. The UN looked for quite awhile for a HQ... a few cities made offers/were considered. San Francisco was a prime candidate. But the
56 Csavel : Well first you called New York the world's most arrogant city and now it is that you are not a fan of the overall New York City experience. ??? Look,
57 MSYtristar : I do think it is the world's most arrogant city, but as I said, it's not a horrible place...not the best, far from the worst. If someone gave a three
58 Csavel : I have to admit the anti-New Yorkers are right on this one. Yeah, it *was* the nightlife capital of the world, but once New York got hip again in the
59 Post contains images N766UA : Text book? Hmm... you haven't spoken to many Parisians have you? Rome? Ha! Paris is zee center of zee universe!
60 JrMafia90 : I was actually hoping for NYC to get it. I thought it would be nice.
61 Pendrilsaint : Mexicana757, wow, drinks on the subway! Man, let me onboard in Chicago. ; ) Someone is being a bit defensive-namely you. First off-I'm well aware Chic
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