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A Cure For Aids? Not Likely  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (12 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 1115 times:

Imagine that the number of speeders caught and ticketed in a small town begins to plummet. What is likely to happen? Are the local law enforcement going to be commended for reducing “safety violations”? Does fewer vehicles ticketed mean that the police have done their job?

We all know the answer to this. The police will be castigated for writing fewer citations and will be pressured to lower their “tolerances” for choosing to stop a vehicle. The reason is as simple as it is obvious: the city is dependent (if not, then greedy) on the revenues generated from traffic violations. We all know what hype this is anytime a local agency puts out a public service announcement with regards to “driving safely” and “please slow down”. They are lies, plain and simple.

So what does this have to do with incurable diseases? The parallel should be easy to spot. As with revenue generated from vehicle citations, the drug treatment and pharmaceutical industries are multi-billion dollar enterprises. In today’s greed and dollar driven society, where is the real impetuous and stimulus to create a cure for a terminal disease, when far more money can be made prolonging the inevitable end for a much longer period of time? After all, if a person suffering from HIV, AIDS, or cancer can be given a one time shot or series of medications, then it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the multi-billion (if not, then trillion) dollar drug industry will collapse like a house of cards. Even if a vaccine or cure could be developed, does anyone think that after some 20 years of “research” that said cure will be priced affordably to those most likely to need it?
I highly doubt it. It’s much more cost effective and profitable to “string that person along” with a program of lower priced drugs that merely delay death-while still allowing that person to “pay into the system” for many years.

What about all of these “charities” that you see and hear about? The one that stands out in my mind is “Jerry’s Kids” (Muscular Dystrophy Association). With all of these fund raisers and telethons ostensibly to “help find a cure”, why are we no closer to finding a cure today then we were 20 years ago? Where do all of those millions and millions of dollars go?

I know someone that works for MDA, and that person has informed me that only about 35 cents on every dollar actually goes towards genuine charity. The remaining 65 cents goes to “overhead” and “administrative expenses”. Translation: straight into the pockets of certain individuals.

So again, it’s not too difficult to pinpoint the real reason why we just can’t seem to eradicate these ills. If a cure for muscular dystrophy were to be found, then overnight the need for elaborate “Jerry’s Kids” telethons and fund-raisers would evaporate. This program, and other scams like it (such as Make-A-Wish) would no longer be the cash generating machines they are now. And being that they are “non-profit”, they don’t have to pay taxes on any of that income.

So the bottom line and sad truth is that if you or anyone you know suffers from any of these incurable illnesses, no matter what any of these charities would like you to believe, you’re going to die. You will not be cured. Too many people want you to stay sick because you (and people that feel sorry for you, and donate to “your” charity) are just too profitable. And they take solace in knowing that once you are gone, there will be plenty more to take your place.






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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (12 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

You say that they will run themselves out of business, but was that true with Tylenol and the others, look at the revenue Bayer(sp?) makes every year. True, those companies will scale back on expensive research but they would mass produce that drug like you wouldn't believe, making billions a year (which will go to the CEO) to sell it. Instead of taking in small donations they will be taking in million dollar checks. Wouldn't they want that more?

The world is full of people who want to become heroes. That chemist, or biomedical engineer trying to find the cure probably dreams about the day he will be a world hero, when he would have his name in the paper everywhere . I bet Jerry from Jerry's kids would love to be interviewed on the Today Show, Good Morning America, etc.. The world is full of people who want to become heros and living legends, and if these groups find the cure, they will become just that.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (12 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

They are wanting to be heroes...commensurate with what kind of lottery type payoff (cash, checks, book deals, movies, bridges named after them, and so on)they receive.

Do you think that some biochemist is currently slaving away in obscurity right now hoping that all he does is find a "cure" just out of the kindness of his heart, and will be satisfied with a one time newspaper story about him, but no cash payout, celebrity status or anything like that?


Let's suppose that you had aspirations to find a cure for cancer, but were told in advance that the most you'll ever be compensated (aside from your nominal salary)is a $100 gift certificate from Wal Mart, and a one time "adda-boy" ad placed in the classified section of the newspapers.

Would you still be so eager to be a "world hero" and try your best to find that magic potion?

With all due respect, if you think that in todays narcissistic and self righteous society, that there is still another Jonas Salk out there, you are living in Dreamland.



User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (12 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

There are indeed people out there who would love to change the world and make it better for humanity.

Do you think that some biochemist is currently slaving away in obscurity right now hoping that all he does is find a "cure" just out of the kindness of his heart, and will be satisfied with a one time newspaper story about him, but no cash payout, celebrity status or anything like that?

Yes I do think there is. And he won't receive a "öne time newspaper story about him", but a helluva lot more, whether he likes it or not. Do you really think all those people who had AIDS but are now cured would just let him go by, without thanking him? I highly doubt this. If you're someone who had found this "magic potion" you will be automatically hailed by people as a hero. There are millions of kind people out there, who would not want you to stay sick and die because you are just too profitable.

SunAir  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (12 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

I disagree. Even if that level of nobility is still out there somewhere, don't expect that persons findings to be released for a long time...if ever. If he or she were to start making waves about a possible cure, then I guran-f*cking-tee you that that person will be taken into a dark room, and told, in so many words to "keep quiet".

And this goes for anything, but when the financial stakes are this high, don't tell me that back room tactics don't take place like this.

Suddenly some biochemist will be "missing" under "questionable" circumstances. And of course, "no one will know anything".


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (12 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

Matt, you are too young to be so cynical. Sadly you are pretty close to the truth though. The best researchers are working for the large multi-national drug companies who really don't want cures for AIDS, Cancer, Diabetes, etc. We can still hope for a Jonas Salk or Marie Curie though, can't we?


Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (12 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

I can also hope to see a Pan Am straight pipe 707 to show up at SNA, right?

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (12 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

In the case of police and traffic fines, there is no competition involved.
Governments have become dependent on the income the police bring in from traffic violations.

In medicine, there is competition. The company that first produces a drug against a disease (especially a high-profile one like AIDS) will have enormous income and fantastic PR for years. This alone will be enough to keep the research going.
You are right in thinking that most charities squander the money you send to them, with a few exceptions of course.

The sad fact is that we have not been able to cure a SINGLE disease caused by a virus. We may be able to prevent some virus borne diseases, but with virusses that change frequently like HIV and Influenza, this is extremely difficult.



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User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (12 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

If I was a drug company CEO, I'd cut all of the AIDS research funding ASAP. Here is my reason:

1) There aren't that many people in the US that suffer from AIDS and the vast majority of them won't pay the exorbitant fees that I would like to charge them for the drug and its expensive R&D plus my obscene profit.

2) Even if there were a lot of people in the US that could pay for my AIDS drug, there are even more in Africa who can't. The U.N would petition me to give out my AIDS drug secret and come to the rescue of the poor starving people. Then black market entrepreneurs would sell my free AIDS drug to my core market in the US.

Translation: I'm screwed.

Shareholders don't like drug companies that look good for the media. Shareholders like drug companies that give them massive dividends over a long term.

A better solution would be to fund my AIDS research but not to the point where we could actually achieve success. An office existing only so that we can put out glossy P.R folders and make Discovery channel specials is good enough for me and my shareholders.

Now before you flame the crap out of me, hear me out on AIDS:

I view AIDS (for most people) as a completely preventable solution. Aside from contaminated needles and blood products, we know how it happens and we know that HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX HAS CONSEQUENCES. Why can't people understand the cost of their fun?


User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

>>If I was a drug company CEO, I'd cut all of the AIDS research funding ASAP.<<

With all Christian love and kindness, Go to Hell to you merciless bastard - assuming you mean exactly what you say.

You are the kinda person that makes this world worse than it has to be. At least on this topic.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (12 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

And Matt, as to what you have to say, as much as I would like to think it wasn't true, I think that you're right.

God Help us all.

FlyBoeing wrote: >>I view AIDS (for most people) as a completely preventable solution. <<

Just TRY telling that to the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people suffering from it in Africa, Asia and hell, even right here on our own doorstep. Statistics dictate that one in ten infected know that they are - and that there are approximately 45 million known cases in teh world of HIV infection. Therefore, give or take, there are around 450 MILLION people (yes folks, that's almost a half BILLION) infected - most of whom have little idea of what it is and have no 'reason' to deserve it, with the exception of the fact that they are born with HIV.

I do hope that Mx5, Aviatsiya and/or TWFirst step in on this one.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



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User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 1020 times:

Look at the Chicken Pox Shot!! They have basicaly found a cure for the chicken pox, and the business is doing great because everyone who is born gets it (almost everyone) and it works...So they are just getting richer and richer


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

Matty,

You have certainly hit the nail on the head in regards to cures for so called incurable diseases. You can make the parallel's througout capitalist society.

I would not be surprised if there have been many researchers who have developed cures for various things but have not for whatever reason released their findings, or have done 'reverse research' to create drugs that will keep people dependent on them for some time. What I do believe is that we will find cures (or have found) for various illnesses and eventually they will be released onto the market.

You have to remember that in many countries where National Health is public or free the cost of subsidising pharmaceuticals takes up a large portion of the public health budget. Like Australia and many european countries, your HIV drugs (or any others) are always on what they call the "Pharmaceuticals Benefits List" which means they are heavily subsidised for the public.

What I am getting at is researchers in these countries realise the cost to governements and government sponsorship for R&D means they need to release their findings / research to the government.

So in some instances your correct, but the correlation still sugests that many researchers would be happy to bring their cures to the public. Like the flu vaccine that was invented here, you could imagine a whole industry's (from tissue manufacturers, cough medicine co's and others) not being particularly happy about that one.

This flu vaccine is subsidised and recommended by the government that the general public should be vaccinated. But that is research from here. By far the greatest pharmaceutical research would have to be going on in the USA.

Cheers,

mb (Not even a sniffle this winter!)


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (12 years 12 months 12 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Wow! Everyone has a lot to say against phamaceutical companies and researchers.

I used to think like most of you on this issue. First, I couldn´t believe that after 20 years we have no cure for AIDS. My teachers in high school said that the people who have the power didn´t want to release the cure for so many deseases because of the growing population of the world. They had to let people die or the world would reach its maximum capacity. Others said that drug makers want lots of people to be infected with the virus (HIV+) and then they will realeas the cure.

The real truth is that just until one year ago I got to see the other side of the coin. I started working for Merck & Co. the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world (measured by revenues) and the one that has the two best products to treat AIDS (Crixivan & Stocrin). It was just until then that I could see the whole picture. It takes almost ten to twelve years to develope a drug, from the moment they start investigating to the moment they start selling it in the drug store.
AIDS became a problem until the begining of the 80´s so it was until then that R&D started. The first products that really work against AIDS became available in 1995, and that was 10 years after investigation started.

I know that many of you are against making business with sickness, but after all big drug makers are companies, just like airlines. They are owned by many of your parents or by you people that have mutual funds or stocks. You want to get an interest for the money you have in the bank, and you invest in pharmaceutical stock or airline stocks. So the drug makers have to make a profit by selling drugs. R&D is very expensive. One of 100,000 molecules tested result in an efficient drug.

About what FlyBoeing said on his first three paragraphs, that is happening today. Africa alone has almost 60% of the population infected with AIDS, so the government of those countries started to copy the drugs of the US pharmaceutical companies and they are manufacturing them in Thailand and China. They need to treat people quickly to stop the deads.

About Merck products Crixivan and Stocrin, they are quite expensive 400USD a bottle that lasts 20 to 30 days. It was just until march 2001 and after a big dispute with most of africas different governments that Merck decided to reduce the price of each bottle 88% to treat people in that continent. The good thing is that every third world country that has a big problem with AIDS is getting this benefit. Brasil has a growing number of people infected with AIDS, and they are getting this benefit through social security. Mexico also has this benefit. I know that some of you will say that don´t they give this benefit to everyone. The problem is people. If Merck was to give drugs at a cheap price, people like me and you will complain, because our money in the bank wont get the interest rate we want.

The problem is not wether a good scientist wants to discover a cure for free or if there is a . The problem is that to get the cure you need to invest a looooot of money and the only ones that can do that are the big drug makers. Releasing a new medicines needs lots of bucks and if it fails, you will loose a lot also. So think it for a while... and remember that many new pharmaceutical companies listed in the NASDAQ had gone out of business because they couldn´t get their medicines on time or because they ran out of money.

Just my two cents...

Rojo


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (12 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 988 times:

The way you jumped right at me after my response leads me to believe that you, or someone near you, has just been diagnosed as HIV positive. The only thing I wrote was an expression of hope in human nature. It had nothing to with with a stove pipe (straight pipe for the younger amateurs ; means non fan engine) anything at any airport ever again.
I'm sorry for what you are going through. I hope whatever it is turns out OK.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 988 times:

Granted I did not take the time to read the post but I asume its about treating aids. I have a solution to the aids epidemic. It might sound somewhat harsh to some but I think I would be more affective than current treatments and such. I propose that we let those who have it die without any attempts to prolong their life. In time when all those infected die the disease will go into history books. Billons of dollars which are currently being spend on treating aids patients and developing a cure could saved to fund less futile objectives. Instead of developing a cure we should work on getting rid of the virus altogether, and in my opinion this is the best way.
Please dont flame me before you have acctually thought over what I wrote here.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (12 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 986 times:

Those drugs are not cures... All they do is suppress the symptoms.
For virusses there is no known cure (for no virus). All we can do is help the body in its fight against the virus. With a virus that attacks the immune system this is almost impossible.



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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (12 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 982 times:

Well to all who say 'Let them Die' - you can all go to Hell, and, if I were Catholic, would say that you would. Fortunately, I'm Baptist, and it's not always the case.

Anyways, getting back on topic, what some of you people are saying is f***ing horrendous. The very notion that you can let people die shows your true colors; those of true detachment and heartlessness.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



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User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 979 times:

YOur going nowhere....there is no afterlife. If you werent so damn narrow minded you would understand what im trying to say. I dont like some god obsessed freak like you characterisng me. Let me guess, if you got infected with aids you would say god is taking you on a journey, eh?

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (12 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 977 times:

CYKA-

Be serious, there's no way you would say that if someone close to you had it right?



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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (12 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 976 times:

Well I apologize for having faith. (Since some of you have a problem with sattire, this is an example of sarcasm.)

What I do say is that you - for saying that everyone who gets it deserves it and should just 'live with it' and thus 'die with no help' - have a lot to answer for.

I do personally believe that everything happens for a reason - but that aside, it is NO REASON to make them suffer for it by NOT helping them. Everyone deserves a chance, and if I had my way, there would be a LOT more funding for HIV/AIDS research (if not a cure, then a vaccine - TWFirst has more information on this) - not 'none' - as some of you would wish.

To put it in perspective, perhaps, the biggest killer in the world is no longer Malaria - but HIV-related pneumonia. You still say it's unimportant and that you should concentrate more on 'other', more 'pressing' illnesses?

CYKA wrote: >>If you werent so damn narrow minded you would understand what im trying to say.<<
Is this not an ironic statement from someone who thinks that people deserve everything they get?

It is nothing to do with being religious - I am religious and believe that we should do our upmost to help these people. Religion is not the issue here - HIV R&D funding is. And I beleive that there isn't enough as it is.

HIV is becoming a Pandemic, and for the first time in twenty years, the rate of infection is going UP in civilized countries such as the UK and the USA, with Australia being a notable exception as they have the right plan of attack, it would seem. It's time to do something drastic.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2442 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (12 years 12 months ago) and read 975 times:

The vaccine is not far away! The only problem is time.

Rojo


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39674 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 965 times:

Matt D:
Interesting topic. Comedian Chris Rock pointed said almost exactly the same thing you're saying about AIDS. The predatory capitalist pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to find a cure. Why? Because there is no profit in the cure. They rather have you hooked on medication and make you live longer with the disease/virus.
AIDS is a man-made disease in the first place. Just imagine if there was a cure, a more deadly disease/virus will come along and there will be a Band-Aid type medicine to come along with it.





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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 956 times:

CYKA,

I have to say I am a little horrified at what you are suggesting. Simplified answers to difficult questions are never right.

You said:

"""I dont like some god obsessed freak like you characterisng me."""

You say that about N836DA? I think that is very unfair, how well do you know N836DA? I certainly know he is not a god obsessed freak, him and I may not agree on many things, however he has the respect of other users that you don't.

Let me put an example to you of the many different ways people contract the HIV virus. Let's say your mother, brother or sister are walking along the beach when all of a sudden one of them accidentally treads on a used syringe. Ouch! Uh Oh, better have an AIDS test to make sure the blood left over from whatever intravenous drug user left behind isn't infected.

You and your family have to wait an agonising 3 months terrified that which ever one of your family members had the accident may contract HIV.

(You can add these to your list of 'accidents' - contaminated blood products - improper dentistry - broken condoms - drunken unsafe sex - intravenous drug use - it only takes one mistake!)

The test comes back and unfortunately your mom has contracted HIV.

Obviously the family is devastated. Now, are you going to repeat the statement you made in your above post to your family?

"""I propose that we let those who have it die without any attempts to prolong their life."""

HIV does not discriminate.

mb


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 952 times:

>>Matt D:
Interesting topic. Comedian Chris Rock pointed said almost exactly the same thing you're saying about AIDS. The predatory capitalist pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to find a cure. Why? Because there is no profit in the cure. They rather have you hooked on medication and make you live longer with the disease/virus.
AIDS is a man-made disease in the first place. Just imagine if there was a cure, a more deadly disease/virus will come along and there will be a Band-Aid type medicine to come along with it.<<

If they find the cure, they are going to share it and make millions of dollars for millions of years selling it.

By your example, the Wright Brothers will still be "researching" manned power flight.



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25 JetService : I'll put things into perspective here for the sake of common-sense: The following is a dollars per victim comparison of federal research funding. Draw
26 Mx5_boy : Jetservice, Where did you get that information from? Besides which why do you find it surprising considering the hideous consequences HIV can and has
27 IMissPiedmont : I'm not quite sure what you point is. I'll take a stab at it though. As has been pointed out in this post, AIDS is a viral infection and no cure has b
28 JetService : IMiss, I'm not making a point. I just put those facts out there for people to draw their own conclusions. Now I will give my opinion followed by more
29 Mx5_boy : Jetservice, I see heart disease at the top of the list, why is that the top disease in the USA? That may be the list for the United States but it woul
30 PanAm747 : I agree with JetService, we need more federal money in the cancer area, and heart disease area. Focus on education for HIV and AIDS, but focus on cure
31 Alpha 1 : You really have no humanity in you, do you, son? Just let them die? What kind of person are you? That may sound good to you, since you don't have it,
32 Alpha 1 : CYKA-remember, when it comes to your views on God, you're the outcast here, ok. We aren't the oddballs or freaks, you are. Someone who believes in God
33 JetService : Mx5_boy, I did try to get worldwide numbers, but had no luck. It would indeed be interesting to see how the rest of the world is doing. I agree with y
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