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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Posted (9 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2843 times:
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Why not just secure it?

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/04/State/Wi_Fi_cloaks_a_new_br.shtml

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User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

This is an interesting precedent because I know that there are many people that regularly mooch internet.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Why not just secure it?

Because that would require intelligence!!!

I'm pretty sure this article discusses this issue: http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20040430/index.html

I think if you are on YOUR property and someone's signal is comming to you it's your right to use it.. Be very interesting to see how the case law comes out on this.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2763 times:
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But really, how hard is it to enable WEP? It takes all of 2 minutes. Sure it isn't the most secure, but it is the equivalent of a deadbolt on your front door. From my house I get signals from 6 other wireless networks. Of those, only two are secure.

User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2066 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Around my house I get signals of 4 other WLANs, all are secured. Here we have had many reports about this problem in the media.

As Clickhappy said, it`s really no problem to secure a WLAN. These who let there doors open, shouldn`t be suprised about peoples coming in.

Axel



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

I frequently use others' wi-fi when I'm not at home. I'm not on their property and I do no harm, so what's the big deal?

[Edited 2005-07-07 19:11:47]

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

im the king of piggybacking, haha. If you're not smart enough to take the 2 mins or whatever to figure out how to secure your network then you should be prepared to have other people mooch. I don't do anything to their computers or their network other than use it their internet connection.


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User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

I've been using someones else's wifi for the past month of so until a couple of days ago when they added a network key (damn!). If they're dumb enough not to protect it, I'm smart enough to ''borrow'' it!
back to crappy dial-up now but luckily i think the preview has convinced my mum to get broadband again and hopefully a wireless router.



i'm so excited i wish i could wet my pants!
User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 6):
don't do anything to their computers or their network other than use it their internet connection.

So, you're a thief. Something to be proud of. The person, group, whatever you're stealing from pays for the service. He pays for the service for his exclusive use, not to share it (I assume). Yes, he should secure it, but maybe he doesn't know how. Why should it be incumbant on the owner of the connection to prevent YOU from using it?

There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

I imagine they'll soon prosecute for unlocked homes and sheds. Unlocked cars will become illegal. Hey unsecured networks will soon follow. All because some people choose to STEAL.

Planespotting and Brettbrett21, you're both thieves, by your own admission.

[Edited 2005-07-07 21:48:04]

User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Can someone knowlegeable post instructions on how to secure a network? There's plenty of information on WHAT to do, but I haven't found much on HOW.


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
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There are tons of resources, a good one is www.DSLReports.com

First thing to do is change the default SSID. For a Linksys router it is "Linksys" for a Dlink it is "default" etc etc Anyone looking for a network can learn what type of hardware you are using based on what your default SSID is, so change it.

Then, using your routers Admin tool, change your password. Most are username: Admin and the password is blank. So if someone sees you are using a Linksys router, with the default SSID they can probably guess you haven't changed your Admin password OR your default IP, and could log right in and take over your router. Not good.

WEP is pretty easy, 64-bit uses a 10digit key, and when you log in from a wireless client (IE your laptop computer) you will need to have this Key in order to access the network.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9264 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Planespotting and Brettbrett21, you're both thieves, by your own admission.

so?

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

well...yeah...



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21382 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Look into the documentation of your router and your computer WiFi component.

You need to set up a WEP password protection. The older WPA protection scheme has already been invalidated by recent hacking strategies. WEP is still relatively(!) secure at this time.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
So, you're a thief. Something to be proud of.

How is utilizing something that someone is BROADCASTING INTO YOUR HOME STEALING?

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
I assume

You know what they say about assuming...ass

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Yes, he should secure it, but maybe he doesn't know how

And that's their problem why?
(I would say 'our', but I have broadband myself so I have no need to 'borrow' a WAP)

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Why should it be incumbant on the owner of the connection to prevent YOU from using it?

Because it is easy to protect what is YOURS.

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

You really are dense..aren't you?

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
Planespotting and Brettbrett21, you're both thieves, by your own admission.

It has yet to be proven in ANY court of law that this is such a crime, or much less be legislated against.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 9):
Can someone knowlegeable post instructions on how to secure a network? There's plenty of information on WHAT to do, but I haven't found much on HOW.

RTFM.. Each router has it's own twist.


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

The documentation that came with my Linksys wireless-g. router was unbelievably flimsy, relying on the config wizard to take care of everything. The website offered little more practical instruction.

Oh well, a buddy of mine is an MCSE. I'll get him to walk me through it. Until then, Planespotting, stay away from my house!  Smile



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 14):
The website offered little more practical instruction

It should have the specific Admin guide which should tell you how to do it..just make sure you have the same/similar instructions on your WNIC.


User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

What you guys are doing is taking advantage of the victim because he chooses not to or can't secure his network. By your logic, he gets what's coming to him.

So, is rape OK when a woman (or girl) dresses provacatively? She chooses to dress that way, usually knowing full well she will excite men.

Why can't you people see that it's not the victim's fault that he is being robbed? It is the fault of the inconsiderate and/or immoral thief.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13):
It has yet to be proven in ANY court of law that this is such a crime, or much less be legislated against.

Steal: To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

The owner of the connection and wireless router pays for and owns the signal. Maybe it hasn't been legislated or adjudicated, but theft is theft. If you can live with yourselves, have at it.

So Ted, why am I dense? Because I feel I should be allowed to leave my vehicle running for a moment while I take my daughter into the daycare and not be afraid of having the car stolen? The law attacks a symptom, not the disease. It blames the victim.

[Edited 2005-07-07 22:46:44]

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
So, is rape OK when a woman (or girl) dresses provacatively? She chooses to dress that way, usually knowing full well she will excite men.

If she shows up nude in my bedroom guess what? YES

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
Steal: To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

What 'property' has changed hands?


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
What you guys are doing is taking advantage of the victim because he chooses not to or can't secure his network. By your logic, he gets what's coming to him.

It's not sealing as much as it is a consistant borrowing...... shhh 

I do not steal errrrr borrow my internet but I do not secure it. Too much work for me and if the computers get disconnected it's a pain to get them back. I constantly have others with their laptops who like to join. Another reason being that there is a PC for ever Mac in this house. They get confused some times. And I live in the hills. All the people around live in big ass houses and wouldn't know what wireless internet was if it crawled up their you-know-where. If someone wants to go 30min out of their way to sit outside of my house and steal my internet feel free. It'll take all but 5min for the "locals" to swing by to see who you are. This area is an everyone-knows-everyone area and I'm on a dead end. So really, if you want to deal with all that crap take my internet.

Take care  crazy 

Matt



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User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 17):
If she shows up nude in my bedroom guess what? YES

I didn't say nude, I said provactively dressed. Even nude, you'd still be charged with rape.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 17):
What 'property' has changed hands?

The property is the service that the owner of the connection purchased.

Look, I can see that you rationlize theft when it suits you, so I can live with that. You don't have to convince me that what your doing, or defending, is correct. I've made my decision and you've obviously made your's. I think it's theft and you think it's OK. Eventually a court will decide. However a court decides, I'll still consider it theft, just like I still consider my property mine even though the court says my local government can use it to produce more income. (For the dense out there, that was a slam against the Supreme Court).


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
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In the same way that we pay for internet here at home, when people come to visit family that may leave down the street, I almost expect that at some point, someone has mooched off my of router/wi-fi. Likewise, when I am traveling, I don't feel badly about mooching off of another persons network for a little bit. It's not stealing- and it's no secret that you can lock your network. If mooching is bothering you that much, Id think youd take the time to see how to lock your network. If you dont, then it really isn't much of a problem is it? Give and take, give and take.

Jeez...

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13):
Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 8):
There is a law here in the DFW area, maybe it's a state law, that infuriates me. It says that a car owner can be prosecuted for leaving his car running. In short the law says that it's the car owners fault for ALLOWING his car to get stolen if he leaves his keys in it.

You really are dense..aren't you?

I think we know the answer to that one...

For heavens sake, people, get over it. You leave your car on? It deserves to get stolen. You leave your wireless internet on? Its going to get used.

Sometimes ethics have to take the back seat to simple common sense...

JBLU


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9264 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 16):
Because I feel I should be allowed to leave my vehicle running for a moment while I take my daughter into the daycare and not be afraid of having the car stolen?

then get daycare in a better neighborhood.

i lock my car when i go to Saks and it's 50 feet from a doorman.



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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 21):
i lock my car when i go to Saks and it's 50 feet from a doorman.

 eyebrow   tapedshut   yawn 



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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Thats why I only run wired networks, even WAP, WEP, etc has flaws. Im getting a Wifi card for my laptop and im gonna cruise around the hotels that have that free Wifi and mooch.

-Dan



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User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

You know, the bootom line is that you are using something that you did not pay for. If you're OK with it, live with. I already accept that you are around me and I deal with it. I don't expect to change you, I'd just like you to look at yourselves and admit to yourselves that you're using something that is not your's.

For the record, I do secure my network because internet thieves exist. I do lock my car, because car thieves exist. Doesn't mean I have to like it.


25 CaptOveur : If you are not bright enough to correctly apply a given piece of technology.. don't use it. That means if you do not know how to operate your wireless
26 TedTAce : My point was showing up in my bedroom and trespassing buddy...pay attention... ROFLMAO!!! But it's Ameri Jerry Freaking Springer WAY!!! You sold me a
27 STLGph : i admit it now...i'm stealing from my neighbor's satellite system.
28 Post contains images Airlinelover : Jason, I know you are bad somtimes, but damn! That's over the limit! Chris
29 Birdwatching : Has anybody EVER thought about the fact that the VAST majority of all wireless connections are on flat rates? Generally a wireless router will not be
30 UN_B732 : but if the bandwidth is not being fully used, and it's unlimited, like it is in most of the states, there's no perceived damage. However as far as enc
31 IAH777 : I know many people who purposefully share their broadband. I understand there are many who have unsecured routers and there are many of those who have
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