Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
I for one haven't heard a word about how the bombs were placed in the tube cars and the bus, were they simply left in a bag to explode or were these guys suicide bombers?
I remember on 9/11 it was pretty quickly clear who the perps were and the media broadcasted photos if them the same day the tragedy happened. What's up with this in London? Or perhaps it's just too early to say for sure?
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1332 times:
The first scenario would for sure be the most favourable if you could put it that way in a tragedy like this. That would mean that the law enforcement could get their hands on them and punish them but even more importantly, maybe get some information from them that would be valuable in the world wide fight against terror.
Jalto27R From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 857 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1319 times:
If the bombs were left on the bus, and the carrier took off, they could be anywhere. To give you an idea, in the southern section of New Jersey, USA, there's 37 known terrorist cells. I can't imagine what it's like in London, or the UK in general.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12701 posts, RR: 80 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
Very early days still, however some suggestions that the one on the bus was a premature detonation, in transit elsewhere.
You sort of suspect that the ones on the trains were remote (mobile phone?) detonation, Madrid style.
Much forensic work on that bus, if there are remains of the bomber(s), whether suicide or premature, as well of course as determining the type of explosive and detonators.
I would think it highly unlikely any of them made a break for abroad, everything got so snarled up how would they get to an airport?
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12701 posts, RR: 80 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1248 times:
No police snipers have killed any bombers.
Marksmen were deployed in some areas, plenty of them at LHR, both perimeter and at the main bus station.
Some suggestions about a suspect device being made safe, whether that was just an innocent but carelessly left bag, or a bomb, is still unclear.
If it was an intact bomb then the first breakthrough in the investigation.
Lee From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
Quoting Mika (Thread starter): I remember on 9/11 it was pretty quickly clear who the perps were and the media broadcasted photos if them the same day the tragedy happened. What's up with this in London? Or perhaps it's just too early to say for sure?
When people travel by plane you have all their details, you have no idea who is riding a bus or a train.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12328 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
This is a good question, that will require perhaps a day or 2 to get a preliminary idea. Hopefully they are just bits of dead flesh, and their spirits deep in hell. No 80 virgins for them!
Having been in London a number of times, I know that one doesn't leave any unattended bags anywhere, so the idea of a drop off of a bomb to be triggered by a timer or to be remotely exploded may be a lower probability. I would tend to believe that is more probable as to suicide bombers. From the human remains of the dead it can be determined if a particular person carried a bomb. It's too bad the creators of the bombs didn't blow themselves up in the preparation instead of this mass killing.
Petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3230 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1196 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 6): You sort of suspect that the ones on the trains were remote (mobile phone?) detonation, Madrid style.
I don't think it was done with mobiles considering the underground is, well, under ground. When in a tunnel the reception for mobile phones is very bad. Most sources I hear here are saying the bus was most likely suicide, so I suspect the trains to be suicide too.
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1157 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 4): There are preliminary reports that at least the bus was indeed hit by a suicide bomber.
Hm, a terrorist expert on German TV said (ZDF) the bomb on the bus was probably to small to be a suicide bomb. I know it could sound cynical, but he said a suicide bomb would have killed even more people.
However I hope the police or another government agency will get this scum soon.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12701 posts, RR: 80 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1141 times:
Well early days, it is not beyond a dedicated terror group to make their own remote control detonators, if you don't trust a mobile to work on the tube, (they do, but not well). the Kings Cross one was in about the deepest tunnel on the network, so was probably picked for that reason.
If they were all suicide bombers, one small mercy, it slightly reduces the death toll of innocents.
As for the bus, 2 have been confirmed dead, but it has been indicated that this is expected to rise.
Though it happened right outside of the H.Q. of the British Medical Association, so plenty of medics right there, meaning immediate help for victims.
Lijnden From Netherlands, joined Apr 2003, 557 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
The bombs most likely went off with remote-device-triggering. (Even in tunnels this is possible). Bombs like this are also in the future most likely to be used because suicide-bombers are simply not easy to find and often fail in action. Therefore, I also doubt that the bus was meant to be blown up by a suicide-bomber, I think something must have gone wrong and the bomb went off or was triggered by something too early. Because of this newer type of explosion devices, the people responsible for this crime are not likely to be found. After an act like today, the cell responsible is already broken up for good and probably watching the chaos they created on TV right now. I hope that the IMO mistake with the bus will create a lead anyway to the capture of the butchers of London. I hope that people will also realize that if the mad terrorists have a smart-bomb (small nuclear device) they will use it without any hesitation.
There is none! Unfortunately, terrorism will be a part of everyday life now and should be seen as something that can happen. It is also obvious that everybody, regardless of nationality, color or religion is a target. I just hope that they NEVER get their hands on a smart-bomb.
A small 'teaser' for Klaus,
Death-penalty for the terrorists? I am all for it, what is your view?
Brettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
death penalty?? haha what a joke!
If the people who committed these atrocities were ever put on trial I can guarantee they would get off lightly, British sentencing is an absolute shambles, I'd be surprised to see them serve a full 25 years. Hopefully someone would just assassinate them though, even though death is the easy way out for these scum.
From what I know about the fundamentals of islam, the only way one can assure their own salvation is through martyrdom, so I really don't think there's a shortage of hardcore islamists out there who would give their life for this. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that given the choice between remote detonation or suicide, many would choose the latter. I will keep my views on this theology to myself for the time being!
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11355 posts, RR: 50 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 11): Having been in London a number of times, I know that one doesn't leave any unattended bags anywhere, so the idea of a drop off of a bomb to be triggered by a timer or to be remotely exploded may be a lower probability.
Unfortunately, in the rush hour the trains are so crowded it would be very easy for someone to leave a package on the train and for it to not be noticed. You don't leave it on a shelf or seat (not that there are any free), but just get on, leave the package by your feet, then get off at the next stop leaving the package behind. I think it would be easy.
There are reports that the bus bomb was either a suicide bombing, or the 2 dead may have been the actual bombers and the device went off too early.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1036 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 23): There are reports that the bus bomb was either a suicide bombing, or the 2 dead may have been the actual bombers and the device went off too early.
This makes alot of sense if you watch the photos of the havoced bus. To me it looks like the bomb was located on the top floor of the bus (as the roof went off). Now, why would you place a bomb on the top floor instead of concentrated more to the middle of the vehicle like in the middle on the lower floor? The way this thing blew dont make much sense if you are a madman looking for te maximum amount of casualties.
25 MD11Engineer: On CNN earlier today there was talk about islamist websites publishing instructions for an easily made explosive, of which the components are readily
26 N1120A: Well, I have confirmation from a Metropolitan Police source that it was indeed a suicide bomb Hmm, fully 1/6th of the buses capacity was killed, that
27 Scbriml: That's not correct. As of the 11pm news, there are only 2 confirmed deaths from the bus bomb.
28 N1120A: According to the latest news I have read on the internet, there were 9-10
29 KiwiNanday: CNN claims that only two of the 37-38 casaulties were from the bus.
30 Pilot kaz: One of them I can confirm to being aged only 17 years. It was my Mums-Friend-Daughters-friend, if that makes sense.
31 TPASXM787: Where are the bombers? Hopefully rotting in hell where they belong.
32 FlyLondon: ...and it's very likely they have the CCTV video of them boarding and detonating it. Looking at the wreckage the area around the driver's cab where t
33 RJpieces: Some news outlets here are reporting that two more bombs were found and defused.....Any truth to this?
34 L-188: That is likely, some sort of timed device. Trains are supposed to be punctual of course, so it wouldn't be a hard trick to time it. Sounds logical, h
35 ME AVN FAN: British "services" have carefully avoided to give real details about the explosives stuff. They gave an explanation about what sort it was, so that yo
36 EDKA: Regarding the suicide bomber on the bus: The security expert on BBC last night was saying that the police are leaning toward the theory that the bomb
37 Mika: As far as i remember while i was in London 2 years ago, those modern double deckers like the one on the photo do not board from the rear, only the ol