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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 774 times:

Once I have completed my BSc in Business over here in the UK I hope to move back to the US and go to a top school (Harvard, Yale, ect) for my masters. I want to do this for a couple reasons firstly being I want my masters, but I also feel that having an academic goal as high as this after my Bachelors will make me work harder and achieve better marks on this course. After looking over the requirements I have noticed that you are required to inform them on Graduate Management Admissions Test (GMAT), what is this exactly? Can you only take this test in the US? Any and all information is appreciated.
Thanks,
Iain


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User currently offlineSophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 734 times:

I don't know if it's just a U.S. thing because I've never lived anywhere else, but it's just a standardized admissions test to get into grad school like the LSAT is for lawschool, the MCAT for med school, or the SAT or SAT for undergrad. You have to take it to get into a grad school in the U.S.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 728 times:

Yeah, just what she said, but U. of Pennsylvania is ranked highest I think. Donald Trump went to the Wharton school there.

BTW-Did you make it into BA cadets?



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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 725 times:

Ianhol,

Hi, I am currently an MBA student at Loyola University here in Chicago so I had to take the GMAT to be accepted. The only thing I can say about the test is: It's the hardest test I've ever taken in my life. Also, add in the factor of: this will be the main determinant in me getting into an excellent business school and things become much tougher. It is definitely a mental test of durability, if anything. I showed up at the test center at 7:30Am and didn't get out off there until about 5:30PM, just to give you an idea.

I have a few suggestions:
First, take a course that trains you in the GMAT. Believe me, it's worth the money and the time! They will familiarize you with the question and answer format as well as excellent ways to manage your time.

Second, make the GMAT your life the month before you take your test. Do nothing but questions and answers all day long. Practice makes perfect.

Third, keep in mind that the GMAT, as big as it is, is NOT the main determinant in getting in the top schools of business in the US. They take pretty darn good scores but they you would also have to have an excellent academic background as well as an well-rounded background. So do what you can now to earn the grades and then ace the GMAT.

Good luck!



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User currently offlineRedraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 724 times:

This website should give you the info you're looking for. The test sucks though, I hated studying for that thing, but I got into grad school, so I can't complain.

http://www.gmac.com/



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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 715 times:

Thanks guys!
Iain


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3189 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 711 times:

Iain whats the rush, get through the BSC course first then think about an MBA, an MBA is worthwhile usually after a few years of work, as alot of assignment are helpful with real life examples.

I am amusing that a BSC is a Bachelor of Science, usually in Aus a batchelor of Science is science in a physics, chemistry biology sense, where Batchelor of Business would include, Accounting, Management, Human Resources, Marketing.

My university is making the GMAT test a requirement for admission for next year. Checking some of those questions looked awfully hard.



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 711 times:

Iain: The advice provided previously to this post is accurate. I took the GMAT and LSAT back in the mid-1980s, and both tests are ball busters. Kaplan has an excellent test service for either test. Also, don't overlook the better "state" schools such as Penn, Virginia, and Michigan. Good luck. (BTW, you don't need an MBA to fly a bus for BA  Smile)


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User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 709 times:

You can take the Gmat in many centers around the world. It used to be pen and paper but now is made by computer.

It is a horrible test but not impossible. Just need a lot of practice. If you are good in math or logic should not be a major problem. The english part is the most tough I think; the questions are annoying.

As said the Gmat is just one requirement. My friend had an average Gmat score (520) an she entered Tuck, one of the top MBA's in America. Working experience is also looked sometimes as a requirement.


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 709 times:

>>Iain whats the rush<<

As I stated in the begining I feel that having an academic goal after my bachelors will improve the quality of work on this course.

Iain


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 703 times:

>>As I stated in the begining I feel that having an academic goal after my bachelors will improve the quality of work on this course.<<

It may or may not. You just might put so much pressure on yourself to succeed that you will fail. "If I don't get a perfect score on this exam, my life is ruined!".

If you are really focused on getting into these top notch schools, develop good study habits, time management skills, and set small goals for yourself. There are lots of books on this and your college can help you too. These habits will help you in whatever career you choose. And if you use them wisely, you'll be walking in Harvard Yard in no time.


Remember 99% isn't bad either!



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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 703 times:

>>It may or may not. You just might put so much pressure on yourself to succeed that you will fail.<<

I highly doubt that will happen, I think it will do me some good, and motivate me to work harder.
Iain


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 699 times:

The GMAT is hard. No question. I'm proud to say I didn't study for it and I passed (just barely). These days, it's administered on a computer. Imagine staring at a computer for 4 hours with the time left to complete each section ticking away on the corner of your screen!

BTW, the University of Chicago and Northwestern University also have excellent MBA programs.



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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 697 times:

Two of the top three B-schools in the U.S are in Chicago -
1)Northwestern's Kellogg School of Business
2) Harvard University
3) Gleacher School of Business at University of Chicago

And then DePaul University's part time school of business is in the top five. Loyola University's Center for Organizational Development (what I'm studying) is also in the top five in the nation. Chicago is a great place to go to school, no matter how big the school is you still get that "small school-big city" feel.

The previous comments were right, however. Most of the B-schools in the US (at least the good ones) won't accept you unless you have had a significant amount of work experience - that way you can bring something to the classroom. My program required me to have at least 6 years of working experience. I barely made that requirement. They made an exception in my case because of my excellent transcripts in undergrad as well as my GMAT scores and I pretty much convinced them in the one-on-one interview that I will succeed in the program.

Just my additional thoughts...



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 695 times:

Perhaps our man Iain can cite to his pub work and stable of chicks as appropriate work experience. Do they give credit for "horizontal" experience?


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 690 times:

Hey there is nothing wrong with working at the pub, it is actually really good fun. I must admit I am very surprised at the responce I have gotten here, I thought it would be a long shot if anyone could shed some light on the subject, however you guys certainly answer my question.
Iain


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 688 times:

I'm not knocking your work in a pub Iain, I also worked in one when I was in college. BTW, can you recommend a pub in London.


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 688 times:

Stretch there are many good pubs in London, I recommend checking this site out http://www.londonpubs.org.uk
The reason I stated I wanted to got to a top college is because I feel I can get into one, and if I stay here I can get it done in 1 year, so inorder to make it worth it, I would like it to be quite a well known and respected one.
Iain


User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 684 times:

Iain, thanks for the tip. From your posts, I can tell you are a bright young man who will go very far. And I mean that. -Richard


Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 681 times:

Thanks Stretch!
Iain


User currently offlineJtb106 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 670 times:

Iain,
Tough test. I second the above info with the following additions. Take a class from The Princeton Review or at least get their prep book. But most of all, no matter how much you want to, if you are having trouble with a problem, guess and move on. On the math part, I spent way too much time on one problem that I felt I should be able to do, and as a result, hurried through the rest, in the process missing who knows how many questions that I could have gotten correct with the time I had wasted on that one. See, since it's on the computer, you must answer a question before moving on; you can't leave it blank and go back. Also, don't worry so much about the essay part, it is not weighted that heavily.
Jim


User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 661 times:

This is good information.

As for me, I'm just applying this year for admission into the Berkeley HAAS School of Business.

Pending acceptance into, and graduation from, that program, I'll need to know all this for attempting an MBA.

Here is the ranking of undergrad business schools:

1) UPenn - Wharton
2) MIT
3) HAAS (tied with UMich)
3) UMich - Kramer (tied with HAAS)


FACTOID: Did you know Walter A. Haas (who the school is named after) was a very influential board member of United Airlines?

=)

SFOintern


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 650 times:

Iain - I had to take that test to get onto the MBA programme for Harvard, starting next year. I sat it here in London. Personally I thought it was piss-easy - much easier than the equivalents in the UK. The only slight difficulty was the insistance on using pounds and ounces instead of metric, but even so it was fine. A bit like the standard numeracy/verbal reasoning tests you take to get onto UK graduate programmes in companies, but less time-pressured.


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User currently onlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4809 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 651 times:

How could anyone imagine Iainhol going to anything less than Harvard, Yale etc?

Can't you say ANYTHING without an annoying brag?


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 642 times:

Thanks for the advice guys!

CPDC10-30 - I think I can get into a top school, so why are you trying to bring me down? Envy?
Iain


25 Western727 : I hope to move back to the US and go to a top school (Harvard, Yale, ect) for my masters. I want to do this for a couple reasons firstly being I want
26 Trickijedi : A case study method of teaching and learning is being able to apply the theoretical aspects of business (marketing, human resources, accounting, etc)
27 Iainhol : Thanks again guys! Just writing to ask about books some one did mention the Princeton Review books, any other book recommendations? Thanks, Iain
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