RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Watching Karl Rove's carefully worded denial of leaking the name of Valerie Plame, and the clip of Press Secretary Scott McClellan denying over and over that Rove leaked it, I can't help but feel anger towards the White House. I think it's best that Rove and McClellan resign ASAP.
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2765 times:
McClellan is a loser, a liar, and a traitor.
He refuses to answer a simple yes or no question, and hides behind "Now, that's a question related to an ongoing investigation," even though it has nothing to do with the question being asked. Then he has the nerve to say "I already answered that" when in fact his answer was nothing more than a refusal to answer the question.
It is good too see that the White House Press Corp has gottemn their wits about and decided to give this story some attention.
RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
I'm pissed off that the NY Times isn't covering this more. I want "DAY X" as the headline every day until Judith Miller is free. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were being interviewed on CNN yesterday and said that thirty years ago, Ben Bradlee wouldn't turn over notes to the government in a million years. And now the NY Times is hardly covering their own reporter sitting in the SAME jail as the 20th 9/11 hijacker!
How so? He is the spokesman for the President...and responds for the administration. If he has been told to be quiet, or that someone is innocent he simply reports the party line....so to speak. I don't really hold him to blame, although if he lied about anything I'd say he's through.
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4): He refuses to answer a simple yes or no question, and hides behind "Now, that's a question related to an ongoing investigation," even though it has nothing to do with the question being asked. Then he has the nerve to say "I already answered that" when in fact his answer was nothing more than a refusal to answer the question.
See above. If they are waiting for some internal process to happen then he is obligated to do what he is ordered to do.
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8): So now the Press that covers the White House is "Democrats and the liberals?"
Mostly....and to deny it is quite disengenuous. The question should be how much of what they write is influenced by their own political perspectives?
I don't think we 'agree' for the same reason.
MY POV is that after being put through the past two days of being crucified for what obviously he was lied to about (IE Mc telling things previously as he was told) I would walk into W's office with a letter of resignation and a big FUCK YOU!! The fact he's in the position of going from 'trusted white house source' to a 'no comment CAD', because he almost obviously was lied to in the first place is what I would consider an in-excusable working condition.
Quoting JeffM (Reply 6): I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink.
Who's the one who's probably getting indicted??? They 'convicted' Slick Willie years ago, so unless there's another democrat on the legal firing line I suggest you STFU.
Quoting B744F (Reply 10): But if he dare lie about getting a BJ.... LOOK OUT ROVE!
Well, Rove allegedly did testify to the Grand Jury, under oath. If the jury and prosecutor takes the words of the reporters involved over Rove, he will likely get nailed with a purgery charge as well.
So the Rep. V Dem Mantra can go from:
'"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" V "who cares about a blow job"'
'"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" V "I did not reveal the name of a CIA operative"'
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2680 times:
Quoting STLGph (Reply 16): they are keeping their distance and integrity. i think that is very professional.
I don't agree with your intent. My take on the issue why they are 'ignoring' it is how do you 'cover' a story about one of your own' in an un-biased non-prejudcial manner? The "BEST" they can do is allow Op-Ed pieces that slam the government for the state of affairs.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30404 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
Quoting JeffM (Reply 6): I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink
This is the only thing that those morons have to hang their hats on, and the fact is that it is a pretty weak case, but their freinds in the press would make you think that Rove is the next OJ, Robert Blake or MJ.
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8): So now the Press that covers the White House is "Democrats and the liberals?"
Its been that way for a couple decades now.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13842 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2660 times:
The NY Times today did front page stories relating to the Rove situation, and are fighting back and putting him in an unconfortable position. McCellean is under orders as part of his job and probably advised by White House Counsel, not to speak of the situation as it is under investigation as he stated so is in a bad spot. It is too bad ALL Democrats don't band together and express thier anger openly, daily in the press with the situation. They should also call for hearings with the appropiate committee, but unfortunally they don't control enough to get the job done. Perhaps the Democrats could hold up any action on any appointments for Bush until someone's fired for this situation. Also, the reporters ought to work some shoe leather and figure out who the loudmouth could be and list possible suspects, as to when and where they were, especially in the context of the Grand Jury, to try to bypass the Grand Jury security bans.
IF Rove did or caused someone in the White House to break the law to punish someone with an opposing and unwanted report, then he should be a man and resign. At the least for now, Rove should be suspended from his job, not allowed near the White House or the President pending the current investigaion. I suspect much like happened to Nixon, eventually the issue will grow to a situation where leading Republican Senators will call on Bush to fire/ask for resignations of Rove and others for this problem.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4324 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2660 times:
If Rove leaked the information, which it almost certainly appears he did, then he should either resign or be fired, then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, there is one mitigating factor here. As much as I absolutely hate possibly letting Rove partially off the hook, the unanswered question is, did Rove have the security clearance to receive the information he leaked, or was it leaked to him from someone else further up? It is possible that Rove was put out as the set-up man for someone else in the Bush organization, with the spotlight shifting to Cheney if it is shown that Rove did not have the clearance. It is being speculated that Judith Miller's source was possibly Dick Cheney, hence the reason she is in jail for refusing to reveal her source.
If this is the case, then some consideration should be given to Rove, assuming he cooperates with the investigation, while the full brunt should fall on the person who leaked the classified information to him.
There was a committee set up in the White House, that Bush most likely did not know about, consisting of Andrew Card, possibly Cheney, and a few other yet to be named persons, who were gathering information on how to smear Ambassador Wilson. It is supposed that this committee came up with the idea to leak Valerie Plame's name to the press and out her as a CIA operative. There needs to be a full investigation into this matter.
As for McClellan, I feel a little sorry for him. He's the White House sacrifice to the media gods, and I truly believe that he was misled or outright lied to by others in the administration and now is faced with defending statements he made based on those pieces of misleading information. Now, given his previous attitude toward some members of the press and his outright avoidance of some members of the media whose questions he did not want to answer, I also like seeing the chosen pack of media "lambs" turning into wolves. I appreciate the media for finally asking some tough questions and not just letting the questionee go free after they fail to adequately answer a question. Now if it could just continue in this vein and question both Republican and Democratic tactics and lies...
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
Diamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
Quoting Texan (Reply 21): did Rove have the security clearance to receive the information he leaked, or was it leaked to him from someone else further up?
Does that really matter? The President is surely not going to take the fall for this. And even if Rove did not have such clearance in the first place, passing it along to the press is not an acceptable next-step for him to take.
The 'no-leak' policy of the White House itself should run parallel to any federal laws on this subject. Rove (if he is indeed the one) violated at least ONE of those policies, if not both.
: NO NO NO!!! A Thousand times NO!!! They need to lay VERY low like below paper LOW... Wait until the fat lady sings, and indictments are made, then st
: It is very easy to sit back and say that in retrospect, but at the time I am sure Rove saw things differently. Bottom line is that Rove felt that dis
: I agree. In fact, I highly doubt W had any knowledge of the smear campaign. And I never said that passing it along was acceptable. What I am saying i
: It's always amazed me what you see to begin with Jeff. What I see is a White House finally being called on the carpet by the so-called "liberal" medi
: The president's approval numbers are low 40's; a majority of the public now say that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake now it is quite plain that th
: The invasion of Iraq was, in his eyes, of greater national importance than any individual life could be. And how exactly do you know what was going th
: Settle down, RJ, Sean is an equal-opportunity annoyer.
: B747-437B, shocking as it may be, RJPieces defected to the dark side quite some time ago. Read over his posts and you'll be surprised. No offense int
: Ha hhahahah! This is funny. No one seems to be getting the obvious tongue-in-cheek nature of B747-437B's post. And I'm supposed to be the thick one!
: One has to KNOW someone in order to get their sarcasm. And you ARE the thick one.
: Scott McClellan is a pawn, just as every White House Spokesman has been a pawn. The problem is, this Adminitration has so many skeletons of actual su
: Some sarcasm should be obvious because of the inherently obvious ridiculous nature of its contents. The fact that this was not inherently obvious to
: Once proven guilty - I will be. Absolutely. Although it would be a "paper" suspension . . . you and I and everyone knows that. Tell the public he's s
: I'd just like to know... for 4.5 years, all we ever heard out of the left was that Cheney was running the show. Now, all of a sudden, we wake up one d
: I won't argue with the latter. The vacuum in my head speaks for itself! However, I can't say I know B747-437B any better or worse than the last half
: Here is one. I am from far right field, but am in far left field… Rove was running the show from the start ~ W’s tenure as Texas Governor. The ve
: Got to agree with Ian on this one - as much as I hate listening to McClellan, I realize that he is only the mouthpiece of the administration. If he's
: This is the same SOB who started the rumor about John McCain having sired a black child out of wedlock (the child was actually a Bangladeshi orphan th
: It makes sense. Mr. Rove has done many things for this administration, the GOP and the the country. You may like him or not, but you can deny that th
: while searching for more information about the left wing liberal White House press I was lucky enough to remember Jeff Gannon. And I just love the rig
: Would never happen. Even in the extraordinarily unlikely event he gets jail time I can assure you it would be quite comfortable. Even so, W will prob
: Attacking McClellan over this is pointless guys. He really isn't told shit, just go out there and stall for a while. Remember, he is told what to say.
: Seriously, if anyone needs to grow a sense of humor it would be you for that comment. "Sad commentary" ????? You get sad WAY too easily.
: Gotta love your administration RJ. Nice and corrupt Good day to you. -AA777