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Time For Some White House Resignations  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2070 times:

Watching Karl Rove's carefully worded denial of leaking the name of Valerie Plame, and the clip of Press Secretary Scott McClellan denying over and over that Rove leaked it, I can't help but feel anger towards the White House. I think it's best that Rove and McClellan resign ASAP.

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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
I think it's best that Rove and McClellan resign ASAP.

Rove is the J. Edgar Hoover of the new milennium.

He has so much dirt on all his past and present bosses, that they're scared as sh*t to do anything to him.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2036 times:

I was wondering if there'd be a thread about this...for anyone who's interested, check out the Press Briefing transcripts--complete with video with extra squirminess--here:

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    User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2020 times:

    Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
    I think it's best that Rove and McClellan resign ASAP.

    Incredible!

    I actually agree with RJ!  veryhappy 



    Possible Bolton link? http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_07_10.php#006063



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    User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
    Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2008 times:
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    McClellan is a loser, a liar, and a traitor.

    He refuses to answer a simple yes or no question, and hides behind "Now, that's a question related to an ongoing investigation," even though it has nothing to do with the question being asked. Then he has the nerve to say "I already answered that" when in fact his answer was nothing more than a refusal to answer the question.

    It is good too see that the White House Press Corp has gottemn their wits about and decided to give this story some attention.


    User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

    I'm pissed off that the NY Times isn't covering this more. I want "DAY X" as the headline every day until Judith Miller is free. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were being interviewed on CNN yesterday and said that thirty years ago, Ben Bradlee wouldn't turn over notes to the government in a million years. And now the NY Times is hardly covering their own reporter sitting in the SAME jail as the 20th 9/11 hijacker!

    User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
    Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

    Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
    It is good too see that the White House Press Corp has gottemn their wits about and decided to give this story some attention.

    I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink.

    [Edited 2005-07-13 01:28:17]

    User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

    I see utter desperationfrom the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink.

    This has nothing to do with Democrat, liberal, Republican, conservative. It is about one man OUTING A CIA AGENT for political reasons. Every American should be asahmed of what Karl Rove did.


    User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
    Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1983 times:
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    So now the Press that covers the White House is "Democrats and the liberals?"

    What an interesting point of view, thanks for sharing it.


    User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

    NBC is reporting a story that say the White House is backing Rove.  banghead 

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8545657/



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    User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

    Quoting JeffM (Reply 6):
    I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink.

    But if he dare lie about getting a BJ.... LOOK OUT ROVE!


    User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
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    Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
    McClellan is a loser, a liar, and a traitor.

    How so? He is the spokesman for the President...and responds for the administration. If he has been told to be quiet, or that someone is innocent he simply reports the party line....so to speak. I don't really hold him to blame, although if he lied about anything I'd say he's through.

    Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
    He refuses to answer a simple yes or no question, and hides behind "Now, that's a question related to an ongoing investigation," even though it has nothing to do with the question being asked. Then he has the nerve to say "I already answered that" when in fact his answer was nothing more than a refusal to answer the question.

    See above. If they are waiting for some internal process to happen then he is obligated to do what he is ordered to do.

    Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
    So now the Press that covers the White House is "Democrats and the liberals?"

    Mostly....and to deny it is quite disengenuous. The question should be how much of what they write is influenced by their own political perspectives?



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    User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

    Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
    So now the Press that covers the White House is "Democrats and the liberals?"

    Have they ever been anything but? ....and you're welcome.  Wink


    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

    Quoting B744F (Reply 10):
    But if he dare lie about getting a BJ.... LOOK OUT ROVE!

    if under oath while doing so, then yes, he should look out.


    User currently offlineJ.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 663 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

    If Rove left, who would be President?  Wink

    JM



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    User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

    Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
    McClellan resign

    I don't think we 'agree' for the same reason.
    MY POV is that after being put through the past two days of being crucified for what obviously he was lied to about (IE Mc telling things previously as he was told) I would walk into W's office with a letter of resignation and a big FUCK YOU!! The fact he's in the position of going from 'trusted white house source' to a 'no comment CAD', because he almost obviously was lied to in the first place is what I would consider an in-excusable working condition.

    Quoting JeffM (Reply 6):
    I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink.

    Who's the one who's probably getting indicted??? They 'convicted' Slick Willie years ago, so unless there's another democrat on the legal firing line I suggest you STFU.

    Quoting B744F (Reply 10):
    But if he dare lie about getting a BJ.... LOOK OUT ROVE!

    Well, Rove allegedly did testify to the Grand Jury, under oath. If the jury and prosecutor takes the words of the reporters involved over Rove, he will likely get nailed with a purgery charge as well.



    So the Rep. V Dem Mantra can go from:

    '"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" V "who cares about a blow job"'

    to:

    '"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" V "I did not reveal the name of a CIA operative"'


    What a bunch of CHILDISH CRAP!!


    User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

    Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
    I'm pissed off that the NY Times isn't covering this more.



    Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
    And now the NY Times is hardly covering their own reporter sitting in the SAME jail as the 20th 9/11 hijacker!

    they are keeping their distance and integrity. i think that is very professional.



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    User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

    Quoting STLGph (Reply 16):
    they are keeping their distance and integrity. i think that is very professional.

    I don't agree with your intent. My take on the issue why they are 'ignoring' it is how do you 'cover' a story about one of your own' in an un-biased non-prejudcial manner? The "BEST" they can do is allow Op-Ed pieces that slam the government for the state of affairs.


    User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 13):
    if under oath while doing so, then yes, he should look out.

    And yet Reagan lied under oath about the Iran-Contra scandal, where was this big outrage about lying under oath then?


    User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

    Quoting JeffM (Reply 6):
    I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink

    This is the only thing that those morons have to hang their hats on, and the fact is that it is a pretty weak case, but their freinds in the press would make you think that Rove is the next OJ, Robert Blake or MJ.

    Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 8):
    So now the Press that covers the White House is "Democrats and the liberals?"

    Its been that way for a couple decades now.



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    User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13114 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

    The NY Times today did front page stories relating to the Rove situation, and are fighting back and putting him in an unconfortable position. McCellean is under orders as part of his job and probably advised by White House Counsel, not to speak of the situation as it is under investigation as he stated so is in a bad spot. It is too bad ALL Democrats don't band together and express thier anger openly, daily in the press with the situation. They should also call for hearings with the appropiate committee, but unfortunally they don't control enough to get the job done. Perhaps the Democrats could hold up any action on any appointments for Bush until someone's fired for this situation. Also, the reporters ought to work some shoe leather and figure out who the loudmouth could be and list possible suspects, as to when and where they were, especially in the context of the Grand Jury, to try to bypass the Grand Jury security bans.
    IF Rove did or caused someone in the White House to break the law to punish someone with an opposing and unwanted report, then he should be a man and resign. At the least for now, Rove should be suspended from his job, not allowed near the White House or the President pending the current investigaion. I suspect much like happened to Nixon, eventually the issue will grow to a situation where leading Republican Senators will call on Bush to fire/ask for resignations of Rove and others for this problem.


    User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

    If Rove leaked the information, which it almost certainly appears he did, then he should either resign or be fired, then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, there is one mitigating factor here. As much as I absolutely hate possibly letting Rove partially off the hook, the unanswered question is, did Rove have the security clearance to receive the information he leaked, or was it leaked to him from someone else further up? It is possible that Rove was put out as the set-up man for someone else in the Bush organization, with the spotlight shifting to Cheney if it is shown that Rove did not have the clearance. It is being speculated that Judith Miller's source was possibly Dick Cheney, hence the reason she is in jail for refusing to reveal her source.

    If this is the case, then some consideration should be given to Rove, assuming he cooperates with the investigation, while the full brunt should fall on the person who leaked the classified information to him.

    There was a committee set up in the White House, that Bush most likely did not know about, consisting of Andrew Card, possibly Cheney, and a few other yet to be named persons, who were gathering information on how to smear Ambassador Wilson. It is supposed that this committee came up with the idea to leak Valerie Plame's name to the press and out her as a CIA operative. There needs to be a full investigation into this matter.

    As for McClellan, I feel a little sorry for him. He's the White House sacrifice to the media gods, and I truly believe that he was misled or outright lied to by others in the administration and now is faced with defending statements he made based on those pieces of misleading information. Now, given his previous attitude toward some members of the press and his outright avoidance of some members of the media whose questions he did not want to answer, I also like seeing the chosen pack of media "lambs" turning into wolves. I appreciate the media for finally asking some tough questions and not just letting the questionee go free after they fail to adequately answer a question. Now if it could just continue in this vein and question both Republican and Democratic tactics and lies...

    Texan



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    User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
    Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

    Quoting JeffM (Reply 6):
    I see utter desperation from the Democrats and the liberals. Fun to watch their ship sink.



    Quoting JeffM (Reply 12):
    Have they ever been anything but? ....and you're welcome.

    Uh oh. The party's over. After wisely avoiding the non-av forum for many months, he's back with his one-note song ...

    "Liberals and Democrats this"
    "Democrats and Liberals that"
    [repeat]


    I see that the absence didn't add any wisdom to his posts. They're as mundane as ever.



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    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

    Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
    And yet Reagan lied under oath about the Iran-Contra scandal, where was this big outrage about lying under oath then?

    ...agreed, should not have been tolerated.


    User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

    Quoting Texan (Reply 21):
    did Rove have the security clearance to receive the information he leaked, or was it leaked to him from someone else further up?

    Does that really matter? The President is surely not going to take the fall for this. And even if Rove did not have such clearance in the first place, passing it along to the press is not an acceptable next-step for him to take.

    The 'no-leak' policy of the White House itself should run parallel to any federal laws on this subject. Rove (if he is indeed the one) violated at least ONE of those policies, if not both.



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    25 TedTAce : NO NO NO!!! A Thousand times NO!!! They need to lay VERY low like below paper LOW... Wait until the fat lady sings, and indictments are made, then st
    26 B747-437B : It is very easy to sit back and say that in retrospect, but at the time I am sure Rove saw things differently. Bottom line is that Rove felt that dis
    27 Texan : I agree. In fact, I highly doubt W had any knowledge of the smear campaign. And I never said that passing it along was acceptable. What I am saying i
    28 Falcon84 : It's always amazed me what you see to begin with Jeff. What I see is a White House finally being called on the carpet by the so-called "liberal" medi
    29 Dan-Air : The president's approval numbers are low 40's; a majority of the public now say that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake now it is quite plain that th
    30 RJpieces : The invasion of Iraq was, in his eyes, of greater national importance than any individual life could be. And how exactly do you know what was going th
    31 Post contains images Falcon84 : Settle down, RJ, Sean is an equal-opportunity annoyer.
    32 Post contains images Diamond : B747-437B, shocking as it may be, RJPieces defected to the dark side quite some time ago. Read over his posts and you'll be surprised. No offense int
    33 Post contains images Jasepl : Ha hhahahah! This is funny. No one seems to be getting the obvious tongue-in-cheek nature of B747-437B's post. And I'm supposed to be the thick one!
    34 Post contains images Diamond : One has to KNOW someone in order to get their sarcasm. And you ARE the thick one.
    35 Logan22L : Scott McClellan is a pawn, just as every White House Spokesman has been a pawn. The problem is, this Adminitration has so many skeletons of actual su
    36 B747-437B : Some sarcasm should be obvious because of the inherently obvious ridiculous nature of its contents. The fact that this was not inherently obvious to
    37 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Once proven guilty - I will be. Absolutely. Although it would be a "paper" suspension . . . you and I and everyone knows that. Tell the public he's s
    38 GuitrThree : I'd just like to know... for 4.5 years, all we ever heard out of the left was that Cheney was running the show. Now, all of a sudden, we wake up one d
    39 Post contains images Jasepl : I won't argue with the latter. The vacuum in my head speaks for itself! However, I can't say I know B747-437B any better or worse than the last half
    40 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Here is one. I am from far right field, but am in far left field… Rove was running the show from the start ~ W’s tenure as Texas Governor. The ve
    41 Mir : Got to agree with Ian on this one - as much as I hate listening to McClellan, I realize that he is only the mouthpiece of the administration. If he's
    42 Jaysit : This is the same SOB who started the rumor about John McCain having sired a black child out of wedlock (the child was actually a Bangladeshi orphan th
    43 SFOMEX : It makes sense. Mr. Rove has done many things for this administration, the GOP and the the country. You may like him or not, but you can deny that th
    44 Post contains images Clickhappy : while searching for more information about the left wing liberal White House press I was lucky enough to remember Jeff Gannon. And I just love the rig
    45 Checkraiser : Would never happen. Even in the extraordinarily unlikely event he gets jail time I can assure you it would be quite comfortable. Even so, W will prob
    46 Post contains images Drewfly : Attacking McClellan over this is pointless guys. He really isn't told shit, just go out there and stall for a while. Remember, he is told what to say.
    47 Diamond : Seriously, if anyone needs to grow a sense of humor it would be you for that comment. "Sad commentary" ????? You get sad WAY too easily.
    48 Post contains images AA777 : Gotta love your administration RJ. Nice and corrupt Good day to you. -AA777
    49 S12PPL : Get a fricken clue.
    50 STLGph : it is possible to cover yourselves. it's been done before in many situations where the news agencies have become the focus of the story and everythin
    51 Falcon84 : Yes, but the country is not, SFOMEX, and that's why his but should figuratively fry if he did this. You're offhanded sympathy for the dude is so hear
    52 RJpieces : Attacking McClellan over this is pointless guys. Seeing the way the press attacked McClellan yesterday, and his previous statements saying something l
    53 Falcon84 : Can I puke at that editorial? What a shameless editorial blow-job that was.
    54 SFOMEX : Between Falcon84's childish rants and the well worded WSJ's editorial, I take the last. Read it Falcon84, you may learn to argue like grownups do.
    55 Falcon84 : Of course you take the last, SFOMEX, because you're a right-wing yes-man, and nothing else. What a sorry lot in life, to be honest.
    56 SFOMEX : Thanks for proving my point. Have a nice day.
    57 Post contains images NYCFlyer : As for Judith Miller - here's what I don't get, and someone please explain this to me: she's basically protecting Rove (or whoever the leaker is). I u
    58 Post contains images Jaysit : The WSJ editorial page is basically a daily tribute to right wing causes. I'd give it as much credibility as I would the editorial page of the "Worke
    59 WellHung : Let's see... if she disclosed his name as her anonymous source under the least bit of judicial pressure, would you be willing to share confidential i
    60 11Bravo : A couple a things here… First, I think you are over estimating the willingness of many reporters to discard their strongly held convictions about c
    61 Post contains images B747-437B : Exactly the point that I was trying to make in reply 26, except that they are actually saying this with a straight face.
    62 Jaysit : Well, just something to give SFOMEX a vision to jack off over.
    63 Post contains links Schoenorama : As I pointed out in another thread, this particular claim is false! Wilson never claimed Dick Cheney recommended his trip. This is what Wilson said i
    64 Post contains images Falcon84 : All I proved is you're a right wing apologist, nothing else, SFOMEX. I'd like to tell you what it reminds me of, but forum rules prohibit such langua
    65 ArmitageShanks : I wonder if he likes to dress in womens clothing just like ole' J. Edgar?
    66 GuitrThree : It's not flat??? "Lucy, you know the world must be flat 'Cause when people leave town, they never come back" Great Song... -Hal Ketchum, Small Town S
    67 Alberchico : Why McClellan ? He's just basically a spokesperson. Rove was the one who supposedly leaked it.
    68 GuitrThree : The left won't stop until everyone ever associated with Bush quits... shoot, I think they will keep on until the cashier at the grocery store down th
    69 Santosdumont : The press is basically using Mcclellan as a punching bag because he serves that purpose quite well: he's hopelessly wet behind the ears and doesn't p
    70 B744F : yes that's it, blame the people for demanding accountability, not the people who are actually commiting the crimes.
    71 GuitrThree : Umm, tell me which crime Rove committed?? Umm, Valerie Plame was not "covert" for 9 years before this Rove thing happened.. And besides that, Rove NE
    72 TedTAce : Denial is not just a river in egypt...
    73 B744F : Treason. Wow after all those years of blasting Clinton for the definition of "is" and "sex," now you're jumping into the semantics argument like the
    74 GuitrThree : Really? Besides a one word answer, tell me how. Tell me how by never mentioning the name of an EX-CIA agent is treason. I'd like to hear it. There ar
    75 Jalto27R : I agree that it does look like Karl Rove is responsible for the leak. The fact that he didn't say the Mrs' name means nothing. He may not be within th
    76 Mir : No, he just said that Wilson was sent by his wife, who was a CIA agent. So now all someone has to do is look up who Joe Wilson's wife is. It really a
    77 Falcon84 : If he did leak the name of an active agent, he should be fired, as you say, and prosecuted for treason. Then what would be interesting is hauling his
    78 Post contains links TedTAce : You all might want to go here: Rove's Testimony?!?!?! (by TedTAce Jul 15 2005 in Non Aviation)
    79 Schoenorama : That's irrelevant. The point is that she had been a covert agent once. As soon as her name popped up in the press, all the intelligence agencies worl
    80 Jalto27R : Falcon, I'd love to see him prosecuted, but he had to give the name specifically, and know that the woman was an undercover agent. Mike
    81 Falcon84 : Wrong. If he mentioned he was Wilson's wife, that's still giving her name away, if it's known who is Mr. Wilson's wife. Semantics won't keep him from
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