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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1112 times:

So evry morning/evening when on my daily commute I stumble on the occurrence of a (some) foolish cyclist(s) who run every single red light.

Does this also happen in your city ?

UTA  checkeredflag 


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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1095 times:

This happens all the time in CPH. They even do it in front of the police. And the police don't seem to care.

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1088 times:

Yep as soon as one gets hit they all cry foul, and its automatically the drivers fault despite the fact they were too inept to obey the road rules. Car's don't stop as fast as bikes do.

User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

I bike 30-50 miles a day and will run through stop signs when I have the chance, but never lights. I live in Phoenix where the drivers are terrible and usually drunk. I drive quite a bit also, and to be fair, drivers are worse than cyclists. Almost everyday I'll have people completely ignore me and turn right infront of me even when I have the right of way. If I am hauling ass (usually 25 mph) and have to hit my brakes hard (thank god I have Advis mechanical disk brakes) I am out of control. Last month I had some prick in a Porsche Cayenne blow right through the walk way (I had a green light as well as the walk signal). I had to lock up both brakes to stop in time-but I misjudged and went over the front wheel and flew into his front quarterpanel. He told me "that I should be more careful and watch out for traffic more". When I pointed out that I had the right of way and was in the walkway he finally apologized. I am not the type to sue (if my bike had been damaged worse than the scratches it received I would have) but it makes me angry that there are so many motorists who think that cyclists have no rights.
Sorry to get off thread, but in Phoenix I don't see to many cyclists blowing through lights. We are too scared of the crazy-ass drivers.

[Edited 2005-07-13 11:57:03]

User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1586 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

I follow this mantra...

"If you're on the road, you follow the code."

Simple really.


Mark



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 2):
Yep as soon as one gets hit they all cry foul, and its automatically the drivers fault despite the fact they were too inept to obey the road rules. Car's don't stop as fast as bikes do.

Too true. Make cyclists pay insurance - that way the can be held liable for the accidents they cause in future too....



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User currently offline7FTwinOtter From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Check this out, there is not an intersection these guys would stop at regardless of lights, people or cars. (it gets going after about 3 minutes so Skip The first bit)

http://www.digave.com/videos/red-web.mpg

Highly irresponsible but highly cool!!!


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

Yeah, happens all the time here in ADL. The worst thing is that on weekends they have something like a club meeting or some shit like that, where hundreds of them just appear on the roads...and every single one of them runs red lights/stop signs....arghhhhhh  irked 


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1043 times:

Cyclists belong on the sidewalk with the other pedestrians. They are danger to themselves and other people. Especially the assholes riding in packs pretending their on the Tour De France (just because you're wearing lycra doesn't make you Lance Armstrong), taking up half the width of the road. PISS OFF OUT THE WAY or buy a car.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1030 times:

Well, I don't run them but I walk them, all the time. I don't quite see why I should wait at a red light and miss my bus or train when not a single car is anywhere near me. On top of that, the intervals at most traffic lights here in town are ridiculous - the one between uni and the tram stop will usually go green twice for the cars before you're allowed to cross... though hardly anyone cares. The bycicly paths in my part of town are horrible as well, they end when they didn't start anywhere; they start and suddenly disappear; the pedestrian/cyclist crossing will lead you from a nice bycicle path on one side of the road to a pavement with a nastily high kerb on the other side... yeah it is a bitch!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
PISS OFF OUT THE WAY or buy a car.

Well, judging by the pictures, getting some exercise couldn't hurt you...  Wink Cyclists on the pavement would be more dangerous than on the road.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11690 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1029 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
Cyclists belong on the sidewalk with the other pedestrians

It's actually an offence to cycle on the pavement. Running red lights can be dangerous, I am a cyclist doing more than 20 miles a day and yes I run the occasional signal. But, think about it, how annoyed do you get when some little jerk has pushed the button to stop the traffic on a crossing, having already walked accross the road. If I can see that there is nobody going to cross, then why stop and waste all that momentum? It all depends on the situation, but I agree, some stunts I see fellow cyclists doing are crazy.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

If I'm not mistaken, cyclists have to follow the same laws as motorists right?

BaylorAirBear



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 11):
If I'm not mistaken, cyclists have to follow the same laws as motorists right?

Of course. But motorists don't tend to see cylcists until we are bouncing off windshields. Usually if bicyclists are blowing off red lights, it's because they know that they can make it. I do not do it, but we all know that cops will not care about bicylcists so long as they do not instigate and accident. Its natural to think that a cyclist does not want to get hit by a fast moving car. That said, I feel bad for jerk bicyclists who give the majority of us a bad name. However, I can assure you that we have to put up with a lot more shitty drivers.


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 12):
I can assure you that we have to put up with a lot more shitty drivers.

I understand. That's why I'm not a cyclist.

BaylorAirBear



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 12):
I feel bad for jerk bicyclists who give the majority of us a bad name.

You mean like Rudolf Scharping and George Bush? The former did however amount to something: he's become the president of the German bikers' association, despite a famous Bush-esque accident he suffered years ago.  Silly



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 986 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Cyclists on the pavement would be more dangerous than on the road.

Not to me. That's the point.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 982 times:

Cyclists belong on the sidewalk with the other pedestrians

Try that here and you get yourself a $150 ticket!

Those two round things are called WHEELS. They're not the same as FEET. Pedestrians have FEET. Bicycles have WHEELS. Feet belong on the sidewalk. Wheels belong on the street. Should I draw a picture?

Mark


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21803 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 976 times:

I treat a red light the same way as a stop sign when I'm on a bicycle - stop, make sure you're not going to be in anybody's way, then cross if you can. I'm not stupid enough to just blow through a red light - the car that hits me will survive, but I won't.

And about riding on the sidewalks, it's illegal in New York City, and the sidewalks are too crowded most times anyway. I like how Berlin has specific bike lanes included in the sidewalks, but New York keeps its bicycle lanes in the streets.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 968 times:

I almost plowed a Lance Armstrong wanna be on my way to school today.. I was wondering if it would have still been my fault in spite of the fact he ran a very very red light.

User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
Does this also happen in your city ?

All the time! In fact, cars, people, buses, cyclists, bikers... Everyone runs red lights all the time.

I have my own rules: no stopping at red lights from 10 pm until 9 am. But then I live in Bombay, so it's not surprising.

Here, everything and everyone on the road is fair game. Except cows.  Wink


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 934 times:

As a former cyclist who used to ride ~100 miles per week, I can tell you that's a bit of a grey area when it comes to following all the rules of the road. Certainly you should obey all signage and traffic signals, although rolling through a stop sign when no one is around isn't so bad.

How about a line of traffic at a signal? For cars, it is illegal to pass on the right, but cyclists do it all the time. And it sort of makes sense; why wait at the end of a line of 20 cars when you can ride up to the signal? The risk, especially where I live, is in getting "doored." Last year in Cambridge a girl got doored, fell from her bike and was killed when an MBTA bus ran her over.

I rode for about 8 years, but I refuse to do it now where I live. Sad, really.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 925 times:

While NY City has had separate bike lanes in the past, they seemed to have disappeared. Also, from time to time I have seen NY City police on bicycles giving tickets to cyclists who run red lights. I think they get a nasty little fine like over $100.

User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 896 times:

Being in Tucson, quite a few of the streets here have bike lanes or bike paths directly adjacent to the street. I can't say that I have seen a cyclist run a red light here. Most cyclists here know that if they are on the roadway, they are subject to the rules of the road under state and local law-no exceptions. Under Tucson City and Pima County Codes, bicycles are only permitted on streets, roadways or designated bike paths.


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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 871 times:

Why does this thread have to come up in every discussion board on the net?!

As a avid cyclist and commuter into Sydney's CBD, I have to say that I stop at red lights and do not like people who ride through them. Bad for the image of cycling, really. We cyclists have to follow all road rules and most are the same as cars.

But, before those of you who have never ridden a bike on crowded city streets cry foul, consider this. Do you treat cyclists fairly in the first place? Have you ever passed close beside a cyclist? Have you ever lost your temper when you are slowed by a couple of seconds? Do you look out for cyclists when you are driving or do you only look at cars?

A wrong move by a car driver and a cyclist is most likely seriously injured or killed. How will this sit on your conscience?

Whilst we're getting on the bike we're not driving a car, so thank us when you can find that car parking spot I would rather have or thank us for the shorter traffic jams on your way to work. Thank us when we don't have heart attacks or other health problems that we cyclists have to pay in taxes to treat you. And thank us for not emitting tonnes of pollution every time we go to work, or for depleting the world's scarce oil reserves.



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