Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 843 times:
I bike 30-50 miles a day and will run through stop signs when I have the chance, but never lights. I live in Phoenix where the drivers are terrible and usually drunk. I drive quite a bit also, and to be fair, drivers are worse than cyclists. Almost everyday I'll have people completely ignore me and turn right infront of me even when I have the right of way. If I am hauling ass (usually 25 mph) and have to hit my brakes hard (thank god I have Advis mechanical disk brakes) I am out of control. Last month I had some prick in a Porsche Cayenne blow right through the walk way (I had a green light as well as the walk signal). I had to lock up both brakes to stop in time-but I misjudged and went over the front wheel and flew into his front quarterpanel. He told me "that I should be more careful and watch out for traffic more". When I pointed out that I had the right of way and was in the walkway he finally apologized. I am not the type to sue (if my bike had been damaged worse than the scratches it received I would have) but it makes me angry that there are so many motorists who think that cyclists have no rights.
Sorry to get off thread, but in Phoenix I don't see to many cyclists blowing through lights. We are too scared of the crazy-ass drivers.
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 834 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 2): Yep as soon as one gets hit they all cry foul, and its automatically the drivers fault despite the fact they were too inept to obey the road rules. Car's don't stop as fast as bikes do.
Too true. Make cyclists pay insurance - that way the can be held liable for the accidents they cause in future too....
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 809 times:
Yeah, happens all the time here in ADL. The worst thing is that on weekends they have something like a club meeting or some shit like that, where hundreds of them just appear on the roads...and every single one of them runs red lights/stop signs....arghhhhhh
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 808 times:
Cyclists belong on the sidewalk with the other pedestrians. They are danger to themselves and other people. Especially the assholes riding in packs pretending their on the Tour De France (just because you're wearing lycra doesn't make you Lance Armstrong), taking up half the width of the road. PISS OFF OUT THE WAY or buy a car.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8393 posts, RR: 47 Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 795 times:
Well, I don't run them but I walk them, all the time. I don't quite see why I should wait at a red light and miss my bus or train when not a single car is anywhere near me. On top of that, the intervals at most traffic lights here in town are ridiculous - the one between uni and the tram stop will usually go green twice for the cars before you're allowed to cross... though hardly anyone cares. The bycicly paths in my part of town are horrible as well, they end when they didn't start anywhere; they start and suddenly disappear; the pedestrian/cyclist crossing will lead you from a nice bycicle path on one side of the road to a pavement with a nastily high kerb on the other side... yeah it is a bitch!
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11253 posts, RR: 63 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 794 times:
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8): Cyclists belong on the sidewalk with the other pedestrians
It's actually an offence to cycle on the pavement. Running red lights can be dangerous, I am a cyclist doing more than 20 miles a day and yes I run the occasional signal. But, think about it, how annoyed do you get when some little jerk has pushed the button to stop the traffic on a crossing, having already walked accross the road. If I can see that there is nobody going to cross, then why stop and waste all that momentum? It all depends on the situation, but I agree, some stunts I see fellow cyclists doing are crazy.
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 780 times:
Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 11): If I'm not mistaken, cyclists have to follow the same laws as motorists right?
Of course. But motorists don't tend to see cylcists until we are bouncing off windshields. Usually if bicyclists are blowing off red lights, it's because they know that they can make it. I do not do it, but we all know that cops will not care about bicylcists so long as they do not instigate and accident. Its natural to think that a cyclist does not want to get hit by a fast moving car. That said, I feel bad for jerk bicyclists who give the majority of us a bad name. However, I can assure you that we have to put up with a lot more shitty drivers.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8393 posts, RR: 47 Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 768 times:
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 12): I feel bad for jerk bicyclists who give the majority of us a bad name.
You mean like Rudolf Scharping and George Bush? The former did however amount to something: he's become the president of the German bikers' association, despite a famous Bush-esque accident he suffered years ago.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19813 posts, RR: 56 Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 741 times:
I treat a red light the same way as a stop sign when I'm on a bicycle - stop, make sure you're not going to be in anybody's way, then cross if you can. I'm not stupid enough to just blow through a red light - the car that hits me will survive, but I won't.
And about riding on the sidewalks, it's illegal in New York City, and the sidewalks are too crowded most times anyway. I like how Berlin has specific bike lanes included in the sidewalks, but New York keeps its bicycle lanes in the streets.
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Logan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 699 times:
As a former cyclist who used to ride ~100 miles per week, I can tell you that's a bit of a grey area when it comes to following all the rules of the road. Certainly you should obey all signage and traffic signals, although rolling through a stop sign when no one is around isn't so bad.
How about a line of traffic at a signal? For cars, it is illegal to pass on the right, but cyclists do it all the time. And it sort of makes sense; why wait at the end of a line of 20 cars when you can ride up to the signal? The risk, especially where I live, is in getting "doored." Last year in Cambridge a girl got doored, fell from her bike and was killed when an MBTA bus ran her over.
I rode for about 8 years, but I refuse to do it now where I live. Sad, really.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12365 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 690 times:
While NY City has had separate bike lanes in the past, they seemed to have disappeared. Also, from time to time I have seen NY City police on bicycles giving tickets to cyclists who run red lights. I think they get a nasty little fine like over $100.
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 661 times:
Being in Tucson, quite a few of the streets here have bike lanes or bike paths directly adjacent to the street. I can't say that I have seen a cyclist run a red light here. Most cyclists here know that if they are on the roadway, they are subject to the rules of the road under state and local law-no exceptions. Under Tucson City and Pima County Codes, bicycles are only permitted on streets, roadways or designated bike paths.
"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
HKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 636 times:
Why does this thread have to come up in every discussion board on the net?!
As a avid cyclist and commuter into Sydney's CBD, I have to say that I stop at red lights and do not like people who ride through them. Bad for the image of cycling, really. We cyclists have to follow all road rules and most are the same as cars.
But, before those of you who have never ridden a bike on crowded city streets cry foul, consider this. Do you treat cyclists fairly in the first place? Have you ever passed close beside a cyclist? Have you ever lost your temper when you are slowed by a couple of seconds? Do you look out for cyclists when you are driving or do you only look at cars?
A wrong move by a car driver and a cyclist is most likely seriously injured or killed. How will this sit on your conscience?
Whilst we're getting on the bike we're not driving a car, so thank us when you can find that car parking spot I would rather have or thank us for the shorter traffic jams on your way to work. Thank us when we don't have heart attacks or other health problems that we cyclists have to pay in taxes to treat you. And thank us for not emitting tonnes of pollution every time we go to work, or for depleting the world's scarce oil reserves.