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"Jihad" - What Is It All About?  
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Sorry but i've had this on my question mind for a while now.

The term "Jihad" means 'Holy War' right??

What is holy about blowing innocent people to pieces??

How can the people who use this term justify it as an excuse for their cause?


Any comments welcome.


Lee

[Edited 2005-07-14 02:55:13]


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Radical muslems will site passages in the Koran where as anyone who insults the name of Allah is subject to death, at least the way I understand it.

User currently offlineSQuared From Canada, joined May 2005, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):

The term "Jihad" means 'Holy War' right??

I believe it's technically a struggle. Thus one can have an internal "jihad" to rid oneself of sinful habit. It's a very broad term, that is misued quite frequently (obviously).

SQuared


User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):

The term "Jihad" means 'Holy War' right??

actually not..the real meaning of the word "jihad" is to "struggle"...actually, it means "personal struggle"..

the personal struggles one has from society (i.e. society pressures-drugs, sex, alcohol (which is forbidden in Islam), or from self...such as not backbiting of others, not doing one's 5 daily prayers, not fasting, not giving to charity, not being a good neighbor, etc.


the purpose of "jihad" actually is to increase one's awareness of God and to increase one's faith..

the part of "holy war" comes when one Muslim has to fight for his/her/their familiy/community survival....especially when there is oppression...in Islam, one has a right to fight for their home, dignity, ect...

and its called "holy war" because according to Islamic Jurisprudence, everything is done in and for the name of God..hence "holy".......one lives, struggles, dies only for the cause of God.

"jihad" can be done on Islamic govts. too if they are oppressing their people...

unfortunately, the religious zealots and extremists use this to their own means and justifications..

now the vast majority of Muslims believe that the 9/11 attackers or the 7/7 London bombers weren't Jihadists but terrorists because they attacked a group of people who weren't oppressing any Muslims directly..however, though many Muslims will condemn what the suicide bombers are doing in Israel, many don't because many see that the Palestinians are being oppressed by others and that their life, diginity, etc are being taken away, hence they have the right to defend themselves, even if it means death for them...

its been taken well out of context recently (and abused), which is a shame..

hope that clears it up a little..

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

what an ignorant and blind statement...

[Edited 2005-07-14 03:12:59]

[Edited 2005-07-14 03:13:48]

[Edited 2005-07-14 03:14:11]


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User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

If you continue this line of thinking, I guess the US Military will be a bit upset with you....



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

>> It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

Hmm... sort of like Christianity?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):
The term "Jihad" means 'Holy War' right??

No. In its war-like context, it means a war against religious persecution and is only to be used in self defense

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Radical muslems will site passages in the Koran where as anyone who insults the name of Allah is subject to death, at least the way I understand it.

And they are completely wrong.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
>> It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

Hmm... sort of like Christianity?

Exactly Rev, exactly



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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

According to my Google search, the bombers are not following the Islamic rules of Jihad:

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ISLAMIC RULES OF WARFARE

Per the rules of War & Islam, the following has been
prohibited by Prophet Muhammad more than 1400 years ago:

1. Killing traders, merchants, contractors and the like, they are to be
spared if they do not take part in actual fighting

2. Killing non Combatants

3. Combatants are only those who are physically capable of fighting

4. Killing women, minors, servants, and slaves who accompany their masters yet do not take part in actual fighting, the blind, monks, hermits, the very old, those physically incapable of fighting, the insane or delirious

5. Killing peasants when they do not fight and the result of war is
indifferent on them

And Allah the Almighty states in the Quran:
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do NOT transgress
limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors" [Surah al Baqara (2): 190]

the Prophet said:
"Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat
you well you will treat them well and that if they do wrong you will do
wrong; but accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not
to do wrong if they do evil." [Tirmidhi 5129]

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http://www.lists.lightbearer.com/immortal-ic-l/2001/09/msg00004.html

http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=7848



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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting ACAfan (Reply 8):

So how come we had a fanatic Islamic state, as the former Afghanistan???
Fanatic means they they are ''overreligeous'', that they do more than the average Muhamed Ismail do, but still doesn't follow a basic Koran line???isn't it kinda screwed up??? How they had support??I mean all those muslim leaders didn't realize???
If the Pope starts doing things that are ''very unchristian'', the whole world will notice.So what gives??? 1 billion guys didn't realize nor said something??


Mike



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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 9):
So how come we had a fanatic Islamic state, as the former Afghanistan???

Fanatics who say they are Muslim, yes.
Islamic fanatic, who am I to say?

When making my judgements, I go to the source. In judging whether something is Islamic or not, I compare it to what Islam's book says and the examples of Islam's prophet.

I listed the Islamic rules of war in my post above. If you click on the link, there are references which you or me could look up.

My point was, whatever the Muslims are doing nowadays, it is just not there in the old texts.

I have no idea where they get their ideas though. When I meet a terrorist I will ask him why they are killing us and start a thread with their answer.

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Here are some rules of war from the Bible:

Deuteronomy 20:19: When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an ax against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege.

[Agent Orange usage in Viet Nam is therefore antichristian]

Here are some more rules of war from the Bible:

Deuteronomy 23:12-13:
12 You shall have a place also outside the camp to which you shall go (as a comfort station); 13 and you shall have a paddle or shovel among your weapons, and when you sit down outside (to relieve yourself), you shall dig a hole with it, and turn back and cover up what has come from you.

Deuteronomy 20:10-12:
10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it.

Deuteronomy 20:1-4:
1 When thou goest out to battle against thine enemies, and seest horses, and chariots, and a people more than thou, be not afraid of them: for the LORD thy God is with thee, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
2 And it shall be, when ye are come nigh unto the battle, that the priest shall approach and speak unto the people,
3 And shall say unto them, Hear, O Israel, ye approach this day unto battle against your enemies: let not your hearts faint, fear not, and do not tremble, neither be ye terrified because of them;
4 For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.

http://www.bible.com/answers/awar.html



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Hmm... sort of like Christianity?

No not at all. To make a statement like that and get away with that shows how hypocritical our society has become. It's totally PC to attack Christianity but should you attack Islam - you're a fascist, racist,nazi,extremist, etc....

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
>> It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

Hmm... sort of like Christianity?

Exactly Rev, exactly


Also like the Muslims in your native Iran N1120A. And from now on maybe you should speak on behalf of Islam and Muslims only, and leave Christianity for Christians. After all you're benefitting from largely Christian society - if you don't like it, you can always take a one way flight back to Tehran.

Maybe you should also brush up on Islamic history - you've seen to forgotten all the history and facts regarding the spread of your religion. In case you have, go back to the other two threads where we had a debate on that.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2423 times:

There are TWO "levels" of Jihad :
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A) the "lesser Jihad" is to fight in defence of other Muslims under attack
B) the "higher Jihad" is your effort to improve yourself
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the "lesser Jihad" of course includes the danger that you lose your life
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it has nothing to do with extremist notions
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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 9):
So how come we had a fanatic Islamic state, as the former Afghanistan???

its a shame...many were propped/supported by the United States itself...now this administration wants "democracy"  sarcastic 

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 9):
doesn't follow a basic Koran line???isn't it kinda screwed up??? How they had support??I mean all those muslim leaders didn't realize???

unfortunatley, radicalism and extremists use religion for their ways and means....no matter of what faith..... Sad

Quoting Marco (Reply 11):
Also like the Muslims in your native Iran N1120A. And from now on maybe you should speak on behalf of Islam and Muslims only, and leave Christianity for Christians. After all you're benefitting from largely Christian society - if you don't like it, you can always take a one way flight back to Tehran.

what a dumb and ignorant comment that was (  butthead  )^3..at least we know what your petty little brain thinks.... rotfl 



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User currently offlineFOMEA From Lebanon, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Marco,
Are you From Iraq?



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

what a dumb and ignorant comment that was ( )^3..at least we know what your petty little brain thinks....

I won't dignify your insults with another round of insults. Apparently, you are not aware of the exchange that was going on between N1120A and I for the past couple of weeks. Maybe you should do a search, and learn about the situation more before you make comments that could embarrass yourself.



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

FOMEA - Yes I am. Where Christians and Muslims get along and respect each other, (or at least they used to before Bush went in). Unlike a neighboring country ...


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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Thread starter):
What is holy about blowing innocent people to pieces??

How can the people who use this term justify it as an excuse for their cause?

Jihad is probably one of the most abused Arabic words today. A Jihad is not about slaying the innocent, or blowing things up. Jihad means "Holy Struggle", and it is a word that was used frequently by the Prophet and in the Quran. It used to mean wars where the Muslims defended themselves, and the rules of Jihad are that no non-combatants can be killed, that women and children cannot be harmed, and personal property cannot be destroyed without reason. In today's twisted world, Muslim terrorists are brainwashed by their "leaders" (and by this I do not mean Imams or the leaders of countries, I mean those who run terrorist organisations) to believe that all Westerners are enemies of God, and thus it is justifiable to kill them. This, of course, is complete bullshit, and the term "Jihad" is just used so that they can carry out their own agenda.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Radical muslems will site passages in the Koran where as anyone who insults the name of Allah is subject to death, at least the way I understand it.

I can take things out of context from anywhere and make things seem true, but that does not mean that it is the message of the Quran. The Quran clearly states that Allah does not like aggressors, and it clearly states that those who do not believe in God will be punished in Hell, and that it is not our place to punish them (unless they have literally attacked Muslims in some way or another). But, even then, the rules of Jihad apply and it is only justified to attack non-civilians.

Quoting B744F (Reply 3):
It's something catchy to get poor people to pretend like their life means something, and to distract them from how bad their leaders treat and exploit them.

The term has been around for over 1,400 years, and is in the Quran. It has nothing to do with life meaning anything or their leaders. Ignorance will not get you anywhere.

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 9):
So how come we had a fanatic Islamic state, as the former Afghanistan???
Fanatic means they they are ''overreligeous'', that they do more than the average Muhamed Ismail do, but still doesn't follow a basic Koran line???isn't it kinda screwed up??? How they had support??I mean all those muslim leaders didn't realize???
If the Pope starts doing things that are ''very unchristian'', the whole world will notice.So what gives??? 1 billion guys didn't realize nor said something??

Because Islam is a religion which has been greatly abused. The message of the Quran is that all humans are equal (men and women, all races, etc), but over time, the message has been twisted to suit some leaders' agendas. The Quran is just like poetry; there are several ways to interprate (?sp) the text. In Afghanistan, they used the most fanatic Wahabbi interpritations, thus creating a state for men which did not even follow Islam's true message.

It has nothing to do with not realising - sadly, its not caring. People notice, but they think "its just Afghanistan, why should we dirty our hands with its problems?" Sadly, it is an ideology most people in the world have. Is it fair? No, but then again, neither are most things in life. They did not have support of other countries, the fellow Muslim countries were just neutral with them, just as most of the world was pre-9/11.

Terrorists, on the other hand, are under attack by most ordinary Muslims today, and they are becoming increasingly hated because of the bad name they are giving our religion.


User currently offlineFOMEA From Lebanon, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

Thanks Marco,
Met a lady once through work she was Assyrian..but wasnt sure if she was from iraq or not.
Here is another Question?
Are Assyrian and Chaldeans close?



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting Marco (Reply 11):
Also like the Muslims in your native Iran N1120A. And from now on maybe you should speak on behalf of Islam and Muslims only, and leave Christianity for Christians. After all you're benefitting from largely Christian society - if you don't like it, you can always take a one way flight back to Tehran.

Maybe you should also brush up on Islamic history - you've seen to forgotten all the history and facts regarding the spread of your religion. In case you have, go back to the other two threads where we had a debate on that.

Still on the high horse, Marco? I respect that your Christian, there is no need to attack my religion because one person made a comment about yours. I still stick by what I said before - you are one hell of a bitter person. You think you know anything about Islamic history? Please...

[Edited 2005-07-15 18:44:08]

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Well you're in Detroit so it's no surprise that you've met Assyrians/Chaldeans!

Assyrians can be from Iran/Iraq/Syria/Lebanon/Turkey. Most are in Iraq and Syria though (altogether maybe 1.5M). Most have left Iran though and there's probably only 10,000 left because Iran is extremely uncomfortable for minorities (Christians, Zoroastrians, Bahaii). In fact in some places in Iran Christians are considered unclean and even at the fruits/vegetables market they won't sell them anything. If in doubt, try wikipedia's online encyclopedia. Assyrians in Iraq were very comfortable, despite a few restrictions on the language but we had full religious freedom and were never persecuted by Saddam. However, now that we have democratically elected terrorists, err ministers, (prime minister Jaffari and his gang), everyone and not just Christians are going through a rough time. By the way the Dawaa party that's in power now was a terrorist group in Iraq in the 80s. Our current prime minister was responsible for bombing university campuses in Baghdad  Yeah sure

Anyway I digress - Assyrians and Chaldeans are pretty much the same people. I cannot give you a really accurate answer on this one, but what I can say is that the major difference is that Chaldeans are Catholic and we Assyrians follow an older Orthodox church (Nestorian church of the east). Feel free to check out the following websites:

http://www.nineveh.com
http://www.betnahrain.org/



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 14):
I won't dignify your insults with another round of insults.

you already have made enough insults, which just makes you a hypocrite.... sarcastic 

Quoting Marco (Reply 15):
Maybe you should do a search, and learn about the situation more before you make comments that could embarrass yourself.

i've already read enough of your anti-islamic vitriol to make a judgement about you

Quoting QR332 (Reply 17):
ost abused Arabic words today. A Jihad is not about slaying the innocent, or blowing things up. Jihad means "Holy Struggle", and it is a word that was used frequently by the Prophet and in the Quran. It used to mean wars where the Muslims defended themselves, and the rules of Jihad are that no non-combatants can be killed, that women and children cannot be harmed, and personal property cannot be destroyed without reason. In today's twisted world, Muslim terrorists are brainwashed by their "leaders" (and by this I do not mean Imams or the leaders of countries, I mean those who run terrorist organisations) to believe that all Westerners are enemies of God, and thus it is justifiable to kill them. This, of course, is complete bullshit, and the term "Jihad" is just used so that they can carry out their own agenda.

salaam dude..I've tried to post above as to what "jihad" means...what do you think? (it was reply 4)

Quoting QR332 (Reply 17):
can take things out of context from anywhere and make things seem true, but that does not mean that it is the message of the Quran. The Quran clearly states that Allah does not like aggressors, and it clearly states that those who do not believe in God will be punished in Hell, and that it is not our place to punish them (unless they have literally attacked Muslims in some way or another). But, even then, the rules of Jihad apply and it is only justified to attack non-civilians.

agree..its very easy to take the bible and torah out of text/context..but does that mean the bible and torah promote violence? no....niether does the Quran,yet people in this day in age feel like its "cool" to bash Islam (unfortunately, these retards aren't helping our cause) and the media just oooze over it....

its a shame, but I think people just dont' want to listen and/or learn the truth...

people prefer to listen to the so-called "experts" of Islam like Danial Pipes (i'm not going to issue a comment about him) et al



WA



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Still on the high horse, Marco? I respect that your Christian, there is no need to attack my religion because one person made a comment about yours. I still stick by what I said before - you are one hell of a bitter person. You think you know anything about Islamic history? Please...

I do know a thing or two about Islamic history. I certainly don't know everything, but the history that I do know is different from the history that the Arab world is brianwashed into believing.

By the way I respect the fact that you're Muslim, and my intention is not to demonize your religion. However, when a half Iranian N1120A attacks my religion, I do think it is appropriate to remind him of what his own religion has done.

Please visit reply 84 of this thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/865100/



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

you already have made enough insults, which just makes you a hypocrite....

Facts and insults are different. And hiding behind a computer screen and throwing insults around means nothing.

Quoting Marco (Reply 15):
Maybe you should do a search, and learn about the situation more before you make comments that could embarrass yourself.

i've already read enough of your anti-islamic vitriol to make a judgement about you


And that's the problem with the Islamic world. Denial of a part of the past which was brutal. Denial of the homogenization of the conquered middle east. Denial, denial, denial. Anyone who dares and criticizes Islamic history is anti-Islam, racist and so on. Facts are facts, and they cannot by changed by emotional individuals ...



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User currently offlineFOMEA From Lebanon, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Thanks Marco..really Appreciate it.
Yes there is a big Community here. I was just curious Thou.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
Quoting FOMEA (Reply 14):
I won't dignify your insults with another round of insults.

you already have made enough insults, which just makes you a hypocrite....

How did i get involved?  innocent 



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25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : really? once again, you have shown your hypocricy by stating that "my intention is not to demonize your religion", yet you have made more than enough
26 Marco : really? once again, you have shown your hypocricy by stating that "my intention is not to demonize your religion", yet you have made more than enough
27 FlyAUA : Jihad has nothing to do with muslims. It is not related to religion, but to a culture. A culture of fanatic extremists that believe they are getting
28 AR1300 : So it's kinda a ''reform Islam''.It's good to hear that true islamism is not what this people show. What about that ''Stabbing the infidels heart wit
29 FlyAUA : No it has nothing to do with Islam... FULLSTOP! It is people who twist words to create their own rules and give true muslims a bad name. Jacobin777 a
30 ME AVN FAN : -> Thanks, quite interesting -> a very nice one ! -> if I understand you correctly, you in here confirm what I heard from other, Muslim, Iraqis, that
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : you call it "fact", I call it vitriol (regarding one's view of Islamic history)...it depends on one's point of view.... and care to explain what that
32 Post contains images FlyAUA : Yes our disagreement in civ-av was a one-off according to my knowledge. If I was a bitch I apologise. I believe it was at the beginning of my quittin
33 Theredbaron : Jihad, is another trademark to separate "us" from "them, in one short sentence. What do I care? Do I think all Iraqui people had WMD just because Gb s
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : good recall... ditto on the apologise...... better yet..hope you quit the smoking habit..i fully support you there..
35 Post contains links Jacobin777 : http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...98-471B-4A36-8253-F2120BEA180F.htm "Once again I watched the nauseous devastation and massacre, this time in th
36 Post contains images Marco : Jacobin777 Facts and history cannot be changed. So if you want to call it anti-Islamic vitriol, then so be it. If you also want to stay in a state of
37 QR332 : Forgot to say, about this comment - its very hypocritical, considering I could say the same about you being an Iraqi benifiting from a Western societ
38 AR1300 : Didn't Mohammed forcefully convereted all the pagan ignorant beduins around the Arabia zone whem Islam just merged, after his prophecies???? Mike
39 QR332 : No, he and the Muslims were presecuted, and many of his followers in Mecca were killed by the pagans. This is why the hijra took place to Medina: the
40 RJpieces : And that's the problem with the Islamic world. Denial of a part of the past which was brutal. Denial of the homogenization of the conquered middle eas
41 Post contains images FlyAUA : If only you knew... As does 95% of airliners.net regarding your posts. Yes he is!
42 RJpieces : If only you knew... I know. Anyone who bothers to read a report a report of Freedom House knows. As does 95% of airliners.net regarding your posts. *Y
43 Post contains images FlyAUA : That's rich coming from the biggest hate-filled person on a.net. The only one who flamed that thread was Kirkie, and he flames pretty much anything B
44 ME AVN FAN : -> in his country which is "free" in the sense as people are free to live and to talk, even without democracy, and in such countries, people CAN "spe
45 ME AVN FAN : -> why should he criticize the Emir of Qatar ? beside the point that I have not yet seen YOU brutally criticizing Mr Bush !
46 RJpieces : why should he criticize the Emir of Qatar ? Why should anybody criticize anybody? Why can't we all live in a fascist state like Egypt which you descri
47 Post contains links Marco : Forgot to say, about this comment - its very hypocritical, considering I could say the same about you being an Iraqi benifiting from a Western society
48 ME AVN FAN : - Egypt is NOT a "fascist state" and people in Egypt CAN speak their mind, and at least the English-language magazines can afford to report in a real
49 ME AVN FAN : - the Qataris and Emiratis and Omanis are NOT "fear society", even if the rulers are not democrats. And in such countries people can quite freely com
50 MD11Engineer : Tell this to e.g. the native South Americans. Jan
51 Marco : Was refering to the Eastern Christianity in this context, which is based in the Middle East, not the European version of Christianity. From my entire
52 ME AVN FAN : - which EXCLUDES the more expansionist "Western" branch. The "Eastern" one suffered from the end of the Byzantine Empire in 1453 when Sultan Mehmet I
53 MD11Engineer : I think it is rather a problem that, whenever a religion has enough followers in one region to become an official or inofficial state religion, the cl
54 Marco : The Assyrians and Copts were simply always a minority, so that they didn't have this influence in their areas Historically incorrect. The Assyrian emp
55 Post contains images QR332 : Denial of what exactly? What are we denying? Are many of our leaders assholes? Yes. Is our religion a bloody religion which promotes violence and hat
56 Post contains links Marco : The defeat of the infidels - known as the Kuffar (i.e. those who reject the Islamic idea of God) is mentioned a lot, but the Kuffar they are referring
57 ME AVN FAN : - > Islam only split AFTER Kaliphs AbuBakr, Omar and Othman, when Umayya took over, and the supporters of Ali disagreed and seceded > the taxes to Je
58 Jacobin777 : couldn't agree with you more...as I mentioned in another post, Marco enjoys taking potshots at Muslims and Arabs at every chance possible......what a
59 ME AVN FAN : -> HIS actual problem is that he takes matters somewhat too narrow-mindedly. And a bit too much believes to be in the ownership of the total truth. A
60 Jacobin777 : "too narrow-mindedly" is one way of looking at it.....I find it to be animosity towards Muslims and "Arabs"....
61 ME AVN FAN : -> maybe, as he thinks that it was Muslims/"Arabs" who hindered his "nation" from becoming fully re-established
62 TS-IOR : Jihad can take different meanings in the Islamic interpretation itself, regardless to the litteral Arabic one. Jihad can certainly mean war, but it mo
63 Jacobin777 : unfortunately most people don't understand this (neither does the media, or doesn't it doesn't want to discuss it since it not as "sensational" as th
64 Post contains links Jacobin777 : the bbc.com posted a very good article of what the "war/fighting" part (remeber, fighting/war is just one part of jihad as I explained above) of Jihad
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