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NRA Cancels CMH Get-Together  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/18/nra.ban.ap/index.html

Once again, the NRA shows itself to be an extremists, wacked-out organization. I'm glad they're not coming to Ohio for their convention, and I'm glad Columbus passed this measure. The NRA can go do something anatomically impossible to itself, for all I care.

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User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

Columbus needs to realize they passed a pretty moronic law that will do nothing to curb gun violence.

Cue the normal gun related flamewar.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

My only post in this thread because of the usual Anti-Gun Flamewar that's about to begin . . .especially since I see BN747 is posting again . . .

Stupid Law won't prevent the criminals from having banned weapons in Columbus, Ohio.

Stupid NRA for letting this chase them off.

Nuff said . . .

Flame on . . .  flamed 


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17418 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Stupid NRA for letting this chase them off.

It's just a case of capitalism at work; they'll take their $20million elsewhere....



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

If I owned a buisness in CMH I would be pretty pissed.. All those empty hotel rooms that could have been filled, and empty seats at restaraunts... I guess the money of a group who supports gun rights is somehow less green than that of a group who thinks we should ban guns that look "bad"

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

While the City of Columbus will lose millions in income, what is the cost to the city and county there every year due to gun violence, including police, justice system, medical, social services costs and so on? While the city is banning what are 'legal' weapons per Federal and even State laws, clearly their ban is to control the use and access to what are primarly weapons designed for hunting and killing people, not legitiment hunting and killing animals. The class of weapons banned by that City (and many other urban places too) recognizes that what are weapons for military purposes to kill people are far too often used or possessed illegally by criminals or to commit criminal actions and they desire to reduce the access to such weapons by criminals.
Far too many in the USA have this misguided and romantic view of the 2nd Amendment. While I do not discount the necessity of many people with limited and difficult access to law enforcement for the need of weapons for self defense, times are very much different than in the late 1700's. We have a formal military structure in the USA, with weapons supplied by the Government. Unlike the late 1700's, a bunch of private people with guns are not going to keep our government in line, but rather people interested in good governance, voting, being an informed citizen, participating in government and in our communities. Some of the greatest and best changes in the USA came from people speaking out with voices, not with a gun. In recent years in the USA we are quickly surrendering more of our lives to corrupt politicans tending to corporate and special interests that are very much taking away our freedoms including freedom of personal safety, trading away our jobs to China, getting involved in questionable wars and creating highly questionable laws like parts of the Patriot Act.
What the City of Columbus said was that they were more concerned with gun violence and not the NRA's money. Let them go to Texas, or Utah or Montana for their convention where their pro-gun access views are welcomed and fit in better.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
It's just a case of capitalism at work; they'll take their $20million elsewhere....

Exactly, that is the way a free market should work.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Once again, the NRA shows itself to be an extremists, wacked-out organization

The only extremists in this story is the city of columbus, who have allowed themselves to be dupped into pissing on the constition of the United States.

They should be ashamed of themselves.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
The only extremists in this story is the city of columbus, who have allowed themselves to be dupped into pissing on the constition of the United States.

They should be ashamed of themselves.

Wrong. The extremists are folks like you, L-188, who honestly, REALLY thinks that assult weapons, meant to kill one thing, human beings, has ANY place in our society. They have none.

The extremists are the NRA, and those who support them, who want free sale of any type of gun, no matter what the detriment to society.

Columbus has nothing to be ashamed of, and everything to be proud of. It's not them that looks like little babies this morning, it's the extremist NRA, and their politics of fear.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Falcon, are you still bent out of shape over the federal assault weapons ban not getting renewed?

You do know it didn't save one single life.. Right?

If the law does not save lives and only complicates things for law abiding citizens what is the point of having it?


User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

Oh, Columbus...I have great memories of that town: a couple of years ago I was not able to purchase a beer at the Nationwide Arena because I could not show proof that I was over 18 (or whatever the legal drinking age is there).

I was 37 at the time. I showed them my (mexican) passport, but they wouldn't take it.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1169 times:

CaptOveur, not bent out of shape over anything. I just don't have a love-affair with guns like a lot of people. I don't understand it, and I'll never own one. I've been alive almost 44 years, and never had the need for one. I think those who think they absolutely need one for protection believe the bull cookies put out by groups like the NRA. I'm not one of them.

See Hawkeye Pierce for my motto on this issue.  Smile


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
The NRA can go do something anatomically impossible to itself, for all I care.

You mean lick its elbow?  spin 

Good for Columbus to stick it to the NRA.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
I don't understand it, and I'll never own one. I've been alive almost 44 years, and never had the need for one.

You probably also never NEEDED a remote control for your television.. By your logic we should outlaw those as well.

Don't ban someone elses hobby just because you don't like it.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 12):
You probably also never NEEDED a remote control for your television.. By your logic we should outlaw those as well.

Uh? How many crimes are committed with remote controls?

Please provide a link of just one crime or death which stemmed from an illegal remote control.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 12):
You probably also never NEEDED a remote control for your television.. By your logic we should outlaw those as well.

Uh? How many crimes are committed with remote controls?

Please provide a link of just one crime or death which stemmed from an illegal remote control.


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

And how many murders are committed every year with legally owned weapons?

That number is probably shockingly close to the number of murders by TV remote.. Not counting the countless deaths from Americans being too fat to get out of their recliners.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 15):
And how many murders are committed every year with legally owned weapons?

That number is probably shockingly close to the number of murders by TV remote.. Not counting the countless deaths from Americans being too fat to get out of their recliners.

In the 14 deadliest mass shootings committed in wealthy nations during the past 35 years:

79% of the victims were shot with lawfully held firearms (185 of 233 victims)

86% of these mass shooting (12 of 14) were committed by lawful gun owners


Killings by legal owned Television remote controls 0


User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 16):

Killings by legal owned Television remote controls 0

Like that statistic is actually tracked.


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 16):
In the 14 deadliest mass shootings committed in wealthy nations during the past 35 years:

79% of the victims were shot with lawfully held firearms (185 of 233 victims)

86% of these mass shooting (12 of 14) were committed by lawful gun owners

How 'bout a source?


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 15):
And how many murders are committed every year with legally owned weapons?

That number is probably shockingly close to the number of murders by TV remote.

I'm going to have to ask you to back that statement up with some facts.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 15):
That number is probably shockingly close to the number of murders by TV remote.. Not counting the countless deaths from Americans being too fat to get out of their recliners.

This sort of comparison is unfair. Fat people make a choice over their own health. A little girl sitting on a porch and subsequently shot by gang members doing a drive-by is not a choice. What's wrong with owning a simple hand gun and a hunting rifle. Why the hell does anyone need a semi automatic rifle?



Everyday you're alive is a good day.
User currently offlineFokker Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

The only way to win a war is to learn everything you possibly can about your enemy. That means studying them and possibly looking at things from their point of view. Every scrap of knowledge is pertinent.

Anybody who has never fired a gun, never held one, or knows absolutely nothing about the differences in the internal workings, has an opinion that is as useful as the 12 year olds on here giving advice about sex.


The article stated that semi-auto rifles (do you understand that term?) with detachable magazines and pistol grips were banned.

I can see that the anti's are afraid of detachable magazines because of the possibility of a quick reload.

Pistol grips are a different story. That is pure feel good nonsense that does nothing to make people safer. People fear things they don't understand. Since most anti's know absolutely nothing about guns, they fear a pistol grip and things that look "menacing".

I'm glad that the NRA won't be spending MY dues money in Columbus. They are welcome to spend it here in Youngstown. We have a brand new convention center that could really use the business.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

http://www.onlypunjab.com/real/fullstory-newsID-2683.html  Wink

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17418 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

Quoting Daedaeg (Reply 20):
A little girl sitting on a porch and subsequently shot by gang members doing a drive-by is not a choice.

On a related note, more children die from drowning than from guns.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1105 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
On a related note, more children die from drowning than from guns.

We should ban pools immediately!!

Signed,
Falcon84


25 Post contains links Dtwclipper : http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF02.htm
26 Falcon84 : You guys keep your love of firearms. It's a free country. But I also have the freedom to oppose guns. Guns are meant to kill, and assult weapons are m
27 L-188 : Sarah Brady's arse.
28 Fokker Lover : What you are calling an assault rifle, I call a hunting rifle with black paint and a pistol grip. There is no difference internally and mechanically.
29 Falcon84 : Stand by it, my friend. More's the fool you.
30 Post contains images NKP S2 : Lame Take your licking like a man.
31 Scbriml : So that makes guns OK? Indeed why not? Most civilised countries manage to function perfectly well without this Ramboesque need for weapons in their h
32 Captoveur : Do you even know what an assault weapon is? I know PLENTY of weapons classified as "assault rifles" which have plenty of applications in hunting and
33 Post contains images Falcon84 : ROTFL. If I had been licked, I would. But I got the same old "guns are great" drivel. Stow it somewhere dark, will you? That's fine-I have no problem
34 CaptOveur : Maybe they live within the city? Not all of us are privlidged enough to live where we shoot.
35 NKP S2 : Pfft! Is that it? No, you were soundly trounced regarding a subject you know nothing about, yet your self-appointed stature of the A-net's certifiabl
36 Post contains images CaptOveur : I will post this in advance of the Anti-Gun crowd starting the usual poo-flinging.
37 Falcon84 : Getting hit with the same tired, old, lame lines by gun nuts isn't getting soundly trounced. Sorry, fella, deflate your ego a bit there. I give you C
38 CaptOveur : It was a pre-emptive strike against the BS that is sure to follow.
39 Falcon84 : Actually, it WAS BS.
40 Post contains images Skidmarks : Guns are designed to kill. Whether it kills people or animals is immaterial. Just one "accidental" killing is one too many. Comparing a drive by killi
41 Fokker Lover : Why is it that as soon as we start talking about guns, people automaticlly think we are running through the streets trying to defend ourselves from ba
42 Post contains images Falcon84 : FL, I think you need a new interpretation of the word "fun". Unbelevable.
43 Fokker Lover : You asked a question. I gave an honest answer. Therein lies the rub. You don't find it fun, so nobody else should either. That's what is unbelievable.
44 Captoveur : Tracers after dark are pretty cool too BTW.
45 FlyCMH : Every other major city in Ohio has passed a bill banning assault weapons, including Cleveland, Cincinnati, Dayton, and Toledo. The NRA had full knowl
46 Falcon84 : That's fine, but from my way of seeing things, it's pretty lame. Sorry, but that's my opinion.
47 B744F : I would just like to point out, nowhere in the Constitution can you find anything about a regular citizen having the right to own a gun. Once people g
48 B744F : I guess you're talking about me, get my name right at least. When did I stop?
49 L-188 : Wrong document, check your bill or rights....
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